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Default May 05, 2019 at 10:15 AM
 
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Hi @SilverTrees,

Thank you as well for putting up with me and taking so much time to help repair some of the brokenness in my life. And thanks for the compliment of my signature and profile! The profile name comes from a Led Zeppelin song indeed known as “Dazed and Confused”, with 254 always having a special meaning. D&C is what I was before finding PC! The quote’s one of my favs, my family and I are huge Disney fans and the quote even holds a more symbolic meaning when they asked for it to be included in my senior HS yearbook.

Don’t worry about the long replies and wealth of information. This is some of the most important and helpful encouragement that I’ve received, and since my therapist has been out of town moving her mother to our hometown I’ve had a block of a few weeks where she’s out of the office. In regards to how I’ve handled stress it’s a mixed bag. I’ve discovered an arsenal of coping techniques like taking bubble baths at the end of the day, and through the strategy of distraction. Let’s say I keep worrying about an upcoming exam or deadline. I don’t deny that it’s imminent but I still take time to replace heavy-handed thoughts and a fast pace with more light-hearted topics/tasks (cleaning house, puppy videos) before pushing myself any harder to figure things out on my own. But when it comes to the negative strategies, I tend to compare myself with others. I’ll compare how others may handle a problem better than me. I’ll compare myself to others who seem to have it better than me with dating. And then if I’m tired, worried, or out-of-whack I’ll often think or speak badly (of course not to their face), especially in a situation where my anxious mind encounters a perceived threat, whether it be annoyed about my dating situation or having a crisis at work. It’s often a strategy (albeit fruitless) to regain any perceived loss of power.

When it comes to the “all my fault” it’s been an ongoing thing for much of my life, but it’s gotten worse being a part of an abusive church. In a nutshell the theology was similar to an early episode of The Simpsons where the main minister of the show’s city Springfield, Rev Lovejoy makes a snide remark to the overly contrite neighbor of the titular characters, Ned Flanders: “Even going to the bathroom can be considered a sin”. My desire to conform to the crowd at what I originally believed to be a decent group to not get sucked into the typical party mentality (not to distract from education) ended up imposing an atmosphere of scrupulosity and lack of diversity. There have been a few people along who would help me address my struggles or worries arising from perceived flaws but more often than not I would get criticized or ignored. And it got to the point where I was walking on eggshells to avoid irritating someone or having problems with them. Further adding to my insecurities with women was the notion that men were aggressive and dangerous animals, so interactions between genders were very limited and regulated to a tee. I battle the potential thought of being an undeserving pig daily. Then when I went to California for a summer intern after my involvement with this group it was difficult to relate to anybody after wasting several years of my life for that church’s cause and my bosses and a few leaders of my intern group exploited my ever-worsening anxiety by constant criticism on my performance, even with small things like misunderstanding the intern’s regulations. And with both of those situations came so-called social leaders, the former with student leaders of that organization and the latter being the bosses and so-called extroverts/social climbers of my intern, who were the most vocal and seemed to set the standards and most authority in the group. So since that time in my life I’ve become more suspicious of other’s intentions, and afraid to even connect with people, even those close to me. When I've opened up to people I looked up to I got hurt. That’s where it all began and then some, the process of internalizing trauma, comparison and becoming increasingly cynical. But I whole-heartedly believe that I've found a channel here to share my feelings, hear others' out, and not be judged since my whirlwind began.

I’ve re-read your post over and over again, particularly the discussion of rejection vs disappointment, as it really hit home to me. Taking more common sense into account I really think I am more disappointed than anything else. With my 6 years of college, I’ve both matured and achieved self-discovery of my niche and passions. Everybody in my family/close friends group have noticed the positive effects of my education, commenting that I work well with people under the right circumstances and I’m genuinely enjoying and pursuing my fields of interest. On the contrary, what has defined my disappointment these past 6 years was the expectation to have more quality friends in college compared to high school, as was the case with my parents (went to same uni as me) but the complete opposite ended up being the case, particularly with the spiritual abuse that came with a deceiving group of “friends”. Even social groups outside the abusive one seemed superficial outside the usual group meetings. I also made the mistake of choosing quantity over quality out of desperation to make friends, further leaving me bitter about my uni years and the people within it. On the other hand when it comes to the opposite gender, I’ve not had any successful relationships so far, and the people who I came close to connecting with romantically “put me in the friend zone” or I was not at all attracted to them (physically or mentally). I’m forever embarrassed when I asked out that old crush 3 years ago only to find out she started dating that same BF she’s with now. She was the only one who I clicked with before she saw someone else and that chance is never going to come again. More recently, as mentioned, a couple of friends seemed to lose all common sense and any sense of a balance when they starting reaching the milestones of dating and marriage. Even when I’ve talked to people I know like my parents or close friends they come up short on helpful advice or say something like “it must be your weight, what you're saying etc.”, leaving me to believe the lie that love is based on shallow, generalized traits. And that’s without a doubt been my story since I’ve even been old enough to date, so that’s also how I’ve been eaten up by the predators known as social conditioning and feeling unlovable.

EDIT: The death of my Uncle Jack in 2008 was just about the hardest thing I had to pursue in life, especially for someone who was barely a teen at the time. In a pensive moment I also realize this tragedy still has haunted me, as I not only lost someone who I frequently saw and was close to, he was one of the last in my family to share his last name with future generations. Since then it seems now all the weight's on me to keep my family tree going. It's a terrible and selfish way for me to cope with that loss but that tragedy has resulted in both a loss and all the more pressure to date, hence my insecurities to follow.

It’s going to take a long time for me to come out of that rabbit hole. But I can say this thread, and your responses in particular, have been the upmost of helpfulness in speaking truth into the bogus I’ve become conditioned to believe. After the last few years of seemingly finding vague and unhelpful answers from society’s social conditioning and even my own support group, you, and everybody else here have without a doubt been the most helpful in tackling my fears head on. I really appreciate you and speaking truth and new perspectives over me, Silver Trees!

Thank you Dazed and Confused. I am very glad to hear that you are finding PC helpful. I imagine that the sense of connection, with boundaries respected, is quite refreshing to you.

A small tip, since it pertains to topics we discussed....could you make it a goal *not to start your PC posts with something like "Thanks for putting up with me..." Do you see what you are doing there? You are diminishing yourself. I'm not "putting up" with you. You have interesting things to say. If, for any reason, I did not feel like replying, I would not. Eliminating those carrier phrases from your posts may seem trivial but it's another little way of signaling to your inner self that you actually like and value him. Do you see what I mean?

Thank you so much for honoring us here with more of your truth. You have been through quite a lot for a young man, Dazed and Confused. So many intense experiences can lead to confusion and uncertainty. However, confused and uncertain is how we feel right before we develop a new understanding or insight....that's how we evolve. So if you can try to make a friend of your confusion and pain (as odd as that may sound) I believe you could be one step closer to peace. This may not be the most pleasant idea but in my own life, my most important lessons were very painful. Sometimes I train myself to look for beauty in the pain....something useful. Does that sound strange or something you could try? In one sense, you are already doing that....you are noting the beauty of sharing on PC and receiving support and kindness....so something beautiful is already stemming from your woes.

I am very sorry that you lost your Uncle Jack. This was a positive relationship for you, yes? A psychologist told me that it is still possible to continue a relationship with someone after their death. What do you think of that idea?
Do you ever talk to Uncle Jack these days? Or write him a letter and read it aloud? I wonder how that might feel to you? You could tell him something you never told him before, a secret or two?

It is interesting that you are feeling pressure to continue the family name. That actually explains quite a few comments you have made in earlier posts. That is a LOT of pressure D&C! You know what popped into my mind when I read that? What would Uncle Jack say? What would he say about his wonderful nephew feeling tortured about needing to continue the family name while also struggling with grief and loss and the struggles of the human condition? I obviously did not know your Uncle Jack. But if he was a good man who loved you, I imagine a strong hand laid on your shoulder and something like: "Hey now nephew, slow down! Plenty of time to be thinking about marriage and children later. You don't owe me or the family anything. We love you as you are. Our love isn't something to prove or earn. Live your life. It has a habit of figuring itself out. Breathe."

If you feel other sources of pressure to partner and procreate, I recommend unpacking those. Often cultural. In some areas these days, it's the norm for men and women to wait until their 30s to marry. The divorce rate for 1st marriages is actually significantly lower for those who marry in their 30s compared with 20s....something to think about. Though not a reason to judge the younger marriages, right? Wish them peace and you will feel more peaceful yourself.

The church group you were involved with honestly sounds more like a cult. Sometimes it's a fine line. A tip? If you wish to be part of any spiritual or religious group, take time to screen them....what's the general message or ethos of the group? If it is not a loving message of acceptance for all, I would seriously consider skipping it. If the message seems to be emphasizing judgment and exclusion, that does not sound like a healthy place to be. I can't comment on religion directly here because it's against guidelines. But I think it is reasonable to remember that plenty of leaders of religious groups have been involved in some terrible acts in the world. Not all of course. Some have helped humanity. I just think we need to be calmly questioning (internally) anyone who enters our lives...regardless of their title or role.

That group seems to have really impacted your perceptions of women and dating etc. Something to explore when your therapist returns.

It was a loss to you to finally have found a woman you liked only to realize she was interested in someone else. Acknowledge the loss and disappointment. You may even wish to write down how you feel about that. Try not to evaluate your feelings..."I should (not) feel this way or that..." just let your feelings be what they are, whatever they are. Trust me, fighting feelings does not work....it often leads to more turmoil. Feel how you feel. Allow yourself that. When you get to that point, you may be amazed by how the feelings start to fade. I even read one study suggesting that announcing an unpleasant feeling aloud can actually help to tolerate it. Think about that idea. Think of your toughest, most painful feelings. Are they the ones you openly express and share or are they tucked away in a small, dark corner of your mind....gathering more and more weight as you try to keep them locked away?

I am familiar with your signature song....can't go wrong with LZ. My favorite is Immigrant Song.

Peace.

Last edited by Anonymous44076; May 05, 2019 at 10:41 AM..
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