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You know why this isn’t strange to me?
At the beginning of the virus spread, the UK’s president was contemplating a lockdown only for risky population. Here, in Spain, the news from there were that one of the solution could be a confinement for these people at risk for 6 months. I can’t believe it my eyes.
Then, common sense won and the lockdown was general in the UK. Thanks god.

I understand your fears. It will take us still a time to do a normal life, especially people who have a common sense. I guess in these difficult times we depend on this kind of people because there are others who are not giving the best example.
It is really interesting for me to hear a non UK perspective on our government thanks. Yes you are right they really did consider carrying on as normal and quarantining vulnerable groups. They favoured herd immunity but that was before they realised just how fast this thing can rip through communities and even find it's way into quarantine (care homes being the perfect example) if unchecked.

I keep an eye on daily figures, it is lowering but in our area there has been a little spike which is concerning.

I am frustrated with government our prime minister yesterday said he was proud of his handling of the crisis. I have no words.
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Here, it’s happening the same. The people responsible in my government says that everything they did and are doing to manage this crisis is the correct. Knowing for sure that there have been errors, they don’t feel responsible because the Covid 19 was something noone could predict or control and of course, they couldn’t guess what was going on. This is what they think about their actions. But mainly, according to them, their decision-taking was a model and very responsible.

It’s curious how most of the time, a politician finds so hard to do self-criticism, mainly when they are in charge of the country.

At least, Emmanuel Macron apologised himself for the mistakes.

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I feel this not admitting mistakes or apologising is something that seems to be growing amongst many people not just politicians - but in this country at least politicians win first prize for it. I think it may be ego.

Personally I have reflected on myself during this and feel more determined than ever to own my mistakes, errors, misjudgements and apologise.
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I agree with you. I put the spotlight on the politicians only because in my opinion, the Politics we have given us is a fertile soil for undesirable behaviours. But, of course, they aren’t alone and on another side, there are also politicians who have principles and want changes for good.

I want to follow your example and take the most of the pandemia to be better.

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I'm back at the office this week, but it hasn't been too bad. Definitely better than the previous place I worked at - desks are already further apart and of course now we only have 1/3 of the staff coming in at a time.

I also travel on public transport but it's not so full that you have strangers right in your face, and it's less than 10 minutes. Most people wear masks on the train.
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Quarantine here extended to the 19th at least. The new case numbers still aren't showing improvement. Monday looked a little better, the first time we were under 4,000 for a while, but now we are back to around 5-6,000. They aren't achieving the desired reductions in mobility. Too many people are going out without permits or requesting the maximum amount of permits that they can, for example, to go to the bank, when they could probably do the transaction online.
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Quarantine here extended to the 19th at least. The new case numbers still aren't showing improvement. Monday looked a little better, the first time we were under 4,000 for a while, but now we are back to around 5-6,000. They aren't achieving the desired reductions in mobility. Too many people are going out without permits or requesting the maximum amount of permits that they can, for example, to go to the bank, when they could probably do the transaction online.
I feel for you. It is so hard when other people are not doing the right thing. Those rates are high and it must be concerning.
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Being unemployed right now is scary because the stimulus unemployment ends in 7 weeks at the end of July and the Republicans in Congress have threatened not to extend the benefits per the Heroes package that was already passed by the Democrats. Meanwhile, they have given billions to their pals in Big Business and the airlines and such. But there are millions of jobs that will never be filled again. The social isolation part is bearable because I don't have any friends anyway. Loneliness is no fun but I know that everyone feels it on some level with COVID going on.
 
 
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Horribly. My country is now 9th in the world in number of cases, with a population of only about 19 million. Per capita we are even higher. They just added new restrictions where you only get 2 permits a week to go out total. For example, if you get a permit to go shopping and then another to walk your dog, that is it for the week. To top it all off we are having car troubles and can't get most groceries delivered where we live.
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I'm sorry a lot @rechu, considering the amount of time you are all living lockdown in your country for one or another reason, now, this enlargement.
I've been disconnected from the news about the pandemia for a while but I'm gonna back to it. I'm worry about what's happening in your country and I guess there are others that are struggling with the virus a lot.

@rechu, which could be the possible causes for a country that seemed to have all under control at the beginning and now the situation worsened?

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Being unemployed right now is scary because the stimulus unemployment ends in 7 weeks at the end of July and the Republicans in Congress have threatened not to extend the benefits per the Heroes package that was already passed by the Democrats. Meanwhile, they have given billions to their pals in Big Business and the airlines and such. But there are millions of jobs that will never be filled again. The social isolation part is bearable because I don't have any friends anyway. Loneliness is no fun but I know that everyone feels it on some level with COVID going on.
Unluckily this is the second big hit of this pandemic, the economical consequences and of course, low and middle classes are the ones who are gonna suffer the more.
I heard that this economical crisis is gonna be more easily overcome because is temporal, and as long as the vaccine is ready, economical activity is gonna begin to recover itself fast. I hope this happen as soon as possible.

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@AzulOscuro - thanks for your thoughts. Yeah, they renewed the state of emergency to September. We started state of emergency last October due to the rioting and looting. It was suspended for a bit then reinstated due to COVID.


It really has to do with the poverty here. The virus first came here due to rich people bringing it back from European vacations (February is summer vacation time here). They quarantined some of those areas and things seemed to calm down. We are talking about people that have a decent house or apartment, and can telecommute and order things online for the most part, so it wasn't so bad. The problem is when community spread started in the poorer areas. Think if you are a maid for a rich family, they may not yet know they have the virus but are contagious. You go to work, get exposed, go home, where you live with maybe 8-10 extended family members and they get exposed. There is no way to isolate yourself in those sort of living situations. People in poorer areas here tend to have worse healthcare, so they are more likely to get a serious case due to underlying/untreated health conditions.

Chile likes to present itself as a first world country, but there are many areas, especially in the south of Santiago where people live in these overcrowded conditions. To make it worse, they live day to day, working as maids, gardeners, selling things at markets. If they don't work, they don't eat. I was pretty aware of this because my husband has worked in several such areas, but it appears our government doesn't. Our ex health minister that recently resigned said he had no idea so many people lived like that. They instituted lockdown in these areas four weeks before my area was affected, but many people didn't adhere to it because of the need to work. Financial assistance and food aid are finally being coordinated, but it took a while. They have also set up hotels to receive people who have been exposed, asymptomatic or mildly sick, if they don't have living conditions that allow them to isolate from other household members.


They say that in the richer areas of Santiago, there has been a 70% decline in mobility due to the quarantine. In low-income areas, it is only around 15%, which is not enough to stop the spread.
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Apparently people over here are sick of the measures so they're just doing whatever they want. Our numbers were pretty low at one point but now they are rising again.

You know what? I am sick of it too! But we have to hang in there now - if everyone just ignores the rules it's only gonna be longer.

Definitely spending my birthday on my own :'(
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@AzulOscuro - thanks for your thoughts. Yeah, they renewed the state of emergency to September. We started state of emergency last October due to the rioting and looting. It was suspended for a bit then reinstated due to COVID.


It really has to do with the poverty here. The virus first came here due to rich people bringing it back from European vacations (February is summer vacation time here). They quarantined some of those areas and things seemed to calm down. We are talking about people that have a decent house or apartment, and can telecommute and order things online for the most part, so it wasn't so bad. The problem is when community spread started in the poorer areas. Think if you are a maid for a rich family, they may not yet know they have the virus but are contagious. You go to work, get exposed, go home, where you live with maybe 8-10 extended family members and they get exposed. There is no way to isolate yourself in those sort of living situations. People in poorer areas here tend to have worse healthcare, so they are more likely to get a serious case due to underlying/untreated health conditions.

Chile likes to present itself as a first world country, but there are many areas, especially in the south of Santiago where people live in these overcrowded conditions. To make it worse, they live day to day, working as maids, gardeners, selling things at markets. If they don't work, they don't eat. I was pretty aware of this because my husband has worked in several such areas, but it appears our government doesn't. Our ex health minister that recently resigned said he had no idea so many people lived like that. They instituted lockdown in these areas four weeks before my area was affected, but many people didn't adhere to it because of the need to work. Financial assistance and food aid are finally being coordinated, but it took a while. They have also set up hotels to receive people who have been exposed, asymptomatic or mildly sick, if they don't have living conditions that allow them to isolate from other household members.


They say that in the richer areas of Santiago, there has been a 70% decline in mobility due to the quarantine. In low-income areas, it is only around 15%, which is not enough to stop the spread.
I do understand. This situation is affecting so much and the worse will be that it will reinforce the differences between some social groups and others.

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Apparently people over here are sick of the measures so they're just doing whatever they want. Our numbers were pretty low at one point but now they are rising again.

You know what? I am sick of it too! But we have to hang in there now - if everyone just ignores the rules it's only gonna be longer.

Definitely spending my birthday on my own :'(
You can't guess how much I agree with you. I see people here relaxing too much too. I rather take precautions I don't want to contribute to the problem.

Happy Birthday, dear Break. You deserve all your dreams come true and I wish you the best.

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I initially wasnt bothered as I live on my own anyway, and dont have a job, so I thought how it can affect me.

But then the problems getting food, really hard to get in touch with doctors as well.

Finally I realised I was missing my sister, I was starting to get very lonely. But she has started spending time with me again.
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I am in a toxic (not physically abusive, but emotionally) marriage that is not improving under the same roof with no where else to go. I stop myself from speaking as it makes no difference and never has, falling on deaf ears. I act polite for alls sake.

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I initially wasnt bothered as I live on my own anyway, and dont have a job, so I thought how it can affect me.

But then the problems getting food, really hard to get in touch with doctors as well.

Finally I realised I was missing my sister, I was starting to get very lonely. But she has started spending time with me again.

Food has been a problem for me too. We only get 2 total permits a week to go out. Permits to buy food, medicine and basic supplies last 3 hours. Our car has broken down twice recently when we went to the grocery store and we had to get a tow truck. The last time we were out more than the allotted 3 hours because my husband really hoped that the car would start again. Fortunately, the tow truck driver took a route around the checkpoint.

When we got to the house, the driver took a look and he knows what the problem is, but you can’t get a permit to take your car to the mechanic. It’s not an approved reason to be out. So, we can’t deal with that until lockdown is over. We are at 6 weeks and counting with no end in sight.

We live in the Metropolitan Region, not far from the capital but our area is a mix of rural/suburban. None of the main supermarkets deliver here. I found one place that did deliver here. I tried placing an order of about 40 items. I get an error message that it didn’t have 15 of the items. I clicked okay to buy the remaining items and got another message that 10 items weren’t available. By then I gave up.

Through a social media site, I was able to find a guy that delivers vegetables, so I placed an order with him. Similarly, I found a local store with delivery that has a limited selection of staples - eggs, flour, butter, some canned goods, etc., so I was able to order some things from him too. I feel a bit more relaxed at least to have some food in the house, but it has been nerve wracking how complicated it became.

Without the car, we really don’t have any transport option. Uber exists here, but it is illegal, so if the driver were to get into an accident, insurance won’t pay. The times we have gone out we never have seen the usual buses that run out here. Regular taxis don’t have service here. All that we have at the moment are shared taxis. These run on fixed routes and take up to 4 passengers. Sharing a tight space with 4 other people in a pandemic hotspot country does not sound like a good idea.

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Double triple hugs to you Rechu.

It will pass, it will lessen anyway, keep strong and keep faith.

I like that you were able to source your supplies through independent small traders. This was what we found in UK too - now we are coming out of lockdown there is a big call to continue to shop with these small traders who helped supply us during hard times.

We were lucky that a small farm at the end of our street always had lots of very fresh eggs - he has a customer for life now.
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New here, so I'm not going to back to the beginning of the thread and read.

Where I live here things are getting better and in the county we only have less then 20 cases. We do get out when ever feel like it. I'm glad we live in a smaller community and people are smart. But it's those college age kids don't stay home. I'm missing doing so many things. I would like to hang out with a friend. Miss going to church. Miss going out of town shopping and going to Walmart. We don't have those types stores around here. I'm missing hugs from certain person. We wanted some soft serve ice cream yesterday at Casey's General store and they wouldn't allow us to sit at the table and eat it. So this virus is really screwing up everything in life .
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