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Well, a further brief derailment, but I did see my state hospital admission in some kind of vision-like thing pretty much exactly as it occurred--five and a-half years before it ever happened. Not saying I have special powers. No idea what that was all about. But it most assuredly happened. Just sayin'.
I believe that. I had something similar going on in less detail. I kept seeing myself being taken from my home forcibly even though I had no symptoms or reasons to suspect it at the time. Maybe my continued thought pattern attracted the scenario. Maybe my higher intelligence was warning me.

If I were a psychologist I would go undercover as a patient and hang out in the common rooms of a mental hospital for a month or maybe longer. There's a lot of behavioral patterns that surface only between patients. If I were a psychologist, I'd monitor these boards closely. Patients tend to keep these sorts of things under cover when they feel like they are being watched, but there's a lot to study IMHO. I'm an analyst with non-expert level psychology knowledge, but I am continually fascinated.
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I believe that. I had something similar going on in less detail. I kept seeing myself being taken from my home forcibly even though I had no symptoms or reasons to suspect it at the time. Maybe my continued thought pattern attracted the scenario. Maybe my higher intelligence was warning me.

If I were a psychologist I would go undercover as a patient and hang out in the common rooms of a mental hospital for a month or maybe longer. There's a lot of behavioral patterns that surface only between patients. If I were a psychologist, I'd monitor these boards closely. Patients tend to keep these sorts of things under cover when they feel like they are being watched, but there's a lot to study IMHO. I'm an analyst with non-expert level psychology knowledge, but I am continually fascinated.
That would be so interesting! I have suspected for quite awhile that, with very rare exceptions, we are the only ones who collectively really know what is actually, truly going on with each other.

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That would be so interesting! I have suspected for quite awhile that, with very rare exceptions, we are the only ones who collectively really know what is actually, truly going on with each other.
Exactly. It is a vibe that is hard to know unless you entrain with it. I think your suspicions are spot on!
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@fern46 and @bpcyclist welcome to the world of the highly intuitive. Both of you are connected to your intuition more deeply than most people. There's a lot of us out there that are connected that way. I saw my road bike accident a year before it happened in exact detail. Even the night before, I saw the accident and was "told" by some inner voice that even if i tried to avoid it, it would still happen. I tried to avoid it, by riding down the street towards my duplex...and it still happened exactly the way I dreamt it would. It's not even a mental illness trait. It's a human trait. Some of us are just more "connected" than others despite whatever our lives turned out to be. It's who we are -- deeply intuitive -- at our core. Have you two had these vision-like experiences your whole lives? I have and I never spent any time in a state hospital. I think it can run in families.
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@fern46 and @bpcyclist welcome to the world of the highly intuitive. Both of you are connected to your intuition more deeply than most people. There's a lot of us out there that are connected that way. I saw my road bike accident a year before it happened in exact detail. Even the night before, I saw the accident and was "told" by some inner voice that even if i tried to avoid it, it would still happen. I tried to avoid it, by riding down the street towards my duplex...and it still happened exactly the way I dreamt it would. It's not even a mental illness trait. It's a human trait. Some of us are just more "connected" than others despite whatever our lives turned out to be. It's who we are -- deeply intuitive -- at our core. Have you two had these vision-like experiences your whole lives? I have and I never spent any time in a state hospital. I think it can run in families.
I spent a lot of time as a child in my head. I wasn't much of a dreamer, but I was good at critical thinking. I grew up to be an analyst in a mostly male dominated field. I had only brothers and a mother who grew up similarly. I have always been empathetic. I can usually feel the feels of others in my body when they have a strong release of emotion.

I began to explore spirituality when I was in my early 20s. I began to learn about expanded consciousness and male and female energies. I realized my female attributes were somewhat supressed and I began working more with those aspects. My intuition was there before, but I didn't really start feeling my way through life until I learned to understand it better.

I think that it is possible these attributes run in the family, but there have been a number of us who keep natural things under wraps due to abuse, shame, fear, judgment, etc. There are very few seekers in my family. Truthfully, I think I am the only one even though intellectually speaking there is a ton of talent among all of my cousins.

I was sitting with my aunt once while we were with my Grandma in hospice. She accidentally let it slip that my Grandma's aura was dark. I said 'woah, that's very cool you can read auras'. She told me she always seen colors and energies and was afraid to tell anyone. I sent her some information to show her she wasn't alone and that others have developed a key for the colors. It made me wonder what might have been if she had openly shared her gift with us kids...

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@fern46 "Empath" yes that's the term I think best describes these "experiences" or "visions." Empaths come in all shapes and sizes, from very diverse backgrounds. That's interesting that your line of work is to be an analyst. So you are an empath in a career that requires you to analyze information on top of intuitively analyzing information that you sense from others already.

I think it's very cool that you had a psychic experience while you sat with your aunt and your Grandma who was in hospice Your aunt helped set you on your path as an empath.
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@fern46 and @bpcyclist welcome to the world of the highly intuitive. Both of you are connected to your intuition more deeply than most people. There's a lot of us out there that are connected that way. I saw my road bike accident a year before it happened in exact detail. Even the night before, I saw the accident and was "told" by some inner voice that even if i tried to avoid it, it would still happen. I tried to avoid it, by riding down the street towards my duplex...and it still happened exactly the way I dreamt it would. It's not even a mental illness trait. It's a human trait. Some of us are just more "connected" than others despite whatever our lives turned out to be. It's who we are -- deeply intuitive -- at our core. Have you two had these vision-like experiences your whole lives? I have and I never spent any time in a state hospital. I think it can run in families.
I tried to prevent the car accident I knew I was going to have, which would ultimately put me in the state hospital for so long, by completely stopping driving for nearly a year. These things cannot be prevented. They are pre-ordained. In a sense, they have already occurred--in my view. There is literally nothing to be done but wait for them to happen. It is awful.

I don't think I ever had this stuff, at least not that I was aware of, until I had my first manic episode. My own weird, totally unsupported belief about people like us is that there may be ways in which our brains are capable of operating, functions that we can carry out, that most other "normal" folks are not able to perform. I happen to belive that there may be a relationship between the bipolar brain and some unusual, higher information and systems processing abilities that other people do not possess. Possibly, some unusual wireless information processing abilities. And yes, I do know what that sounds like...

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Bp cyclist, since you need a jumpstart on picking up the guitar, I bet the more musical of us would enjoy singing along w you. Warm, amusing thought picturing a group of us singing along or adding other instruments as you play via that conference call website!!!

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There’s a movie on Netflix now, 2/2020, called healing voices. I havent watched it yet, but it is about psychoses and critical of the mental healthcare system.

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@fern46 "Empath" yes that's the term I think best describes these "experiences" or "visions." Empaths come in all shapes and sizes, from very diverse backgrounds. That's interesting that your line of work is to be an analyst. So you are an empath in a career that requires you to analyze information on top of intuitively analyzing information that you sense from others already.

I think it's very cool that you had a psychic experience while you sat with your aunt and your Grandma who was in hospice Your aunt helped set you on your path as an empath.
Yes, it is quite interesting and beneficial I think. I essentially feel my way through massive webs of data and dig into things that catch my attention or give me a sense of value if I pursue them. I then break them down into their various components and structure them in a hierarchy that makes sense from a startegic perspective. I am a stay at home mother now, but I work from time to time still. I'm trying my hand at writing at the moment.

I also work a alot with teams of people. I feel into the vibes of them individually and collectively and then help them fashion a plan for achieving whatever goals they intend to reach. I work a lot with metaphor and analogy as they crosses the left/right (male/female) brain barrier and can be understood or 'felt' depending on one's preferred learning style.

When I take personality, communication style, leadership style tests I always end up in the middle as I use a blend of all the styles. I'm a big fan of looking at the situation at hand first and selecting a strategy to match. If I had to guess, I ended up like this because I was never able to separate my own feelings from those of others as a child. I felt a little bit of everything and accidentally identified with all of it. There are some extreme states of feeling I struggle to empathize with appropriately because my frame of reference is poor, but I can sense their polarization in relation to my own state.

Maybe we can set up a thread to discuss thia further if you guys are interested. I appreciate your insight and I'd be interested to know how your own intuitive empath skill sets developed.
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I tried to prevent the car accident I knew I was going to have, which would ultimately put me in the state hospital for so long, by completely stopping driving for nearly a year. These things cannot be prevented. They are pre-ordained. In a sense, they have already occurred--in my view. There is literally nothing to be done but wait for them to happen. It is awful.

I don't think I ever had this stuff, at least not that I was aware of, until I had my first manic episode. My own weird, totally unsupported belief about people like us is that there may be ways in which our brains are capable of operating, functions that we can carry out, that most other "normal" folks are not able to perform. I happen to belive that there may be a relationship between the bipolar brain and some unusual, higher information and systems processing abilities that other people do not possess. Possibly, some unusual wireless information processing abilities. And yes, I do know what that sounds like...
I feel the pineal gland is involved... I'm just sayin It produces melatonin and manic folks have severely disturbed sleep patterns in a lot of cases. However, it is believed to be the seat of spiritual and intuitive experiences in many cultures. I was specifically working with mine in meditation before my mania and psychosis set in. I think I perhaps set off a chain reaction that I shouldn't have as I had a ton of repressed trauma that came out once the flood gates were opened. I think bipolar and schizophrenic people with psychosis may have something similar going on. And yes, I know this sounds pretty much like what you just said. It doesn't mean it isn't true or at least grasping at truth
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I tried to prevent the car accident I knew I was going to have, which would ultimately put me in the state hospital for so long, by completely stopping driving for nearly a year. These things cannot be prevented. They are pre-ordained. In a sense, they have already occurred--in my view. There is literally nothing to be done but wait for them to happen. It is awful.

I don't think I ever had this stuff, at least not that I was aware of, until I had my first manic episode. My own weird, totally unsupported belief about people like us is that there may be ways in which our brains are capable of operating, functions that we can carry out, that most other "normal" folks are not able to perform. I happen to belive that there may be a relationship between the bipolar brain and some unusual, higher information and systems processing abilities that other people do not possess. Possibly, some unusual wireless information processing abilities. And yes, I do know what that sounds like...
No, you're correct. We can't outrun our destined events no matter what we do. You and I both tried and we still went through those terrible experiences despite our best efforts to avoid them. That proved to me (my TBI) that empathy and intuition was more powerful than anyone's free will.

Being empathetic or highly intuitive iis not the sign that you are mentally ill. The world of psychiatry would like empaths to feel mentally ill, so they can medicate them and deny what is a natural ability. That's one of the reasons that I don't like psychiatrists or trust them. I certainly don't trust chiropractors or astrologers. But that's just me.

Empathic ability means that your brain is hardwired differently than most people and it can be used as a gift, feel like a curse, or become a nuisance. It's been all 3 for me and I'm 49 years old.

My guess is, you were born empathetic but weren't around people who recognized this as an "ability" or talent or skill. It probably manifested itself to you during your work with patients, but you didn't learn to recognize or were able to acknowledge these hunches as empathetic intuitive abilities.

Your accident was the largest manifestation of this gift you've had your whole life. I bet if you tracked events and conversations and past relationships, you could remember incidents of highly intuitive experiences (hunches, visions, foreshadows, know information ahead of time about something or someone).

There is literally new empirical research to support the fact that yes, empaths like us, have "different" brains. Mentally ill or not mentally ill, an empath's brain is wired differently than someone who doesn't have the ability to intuit. The same way that autistic brains are hardwired differently than people who aren't autistic.

First, we have more hyper-response neurons than most people. Those are the neurons responsible for compassion and empathy. We're stacked with those. We also have stronger magnetic fields which the heart and brain generate (studies prove this too). So, we are more "connected" or "dialed in" than most people. It's like a switch we can't turn off, even if we use meditation or breathing it will always be there.

There is also evidence that everyone exchanges energy. Think of how people transfer their bad or good mood to you when you encounter them. For empaths, we're pretty well screwed when people yell at us or get excited around us b/c we absorb that energy automatically. We also have a higher sensitivity to dopamine than most normal people do. And then, there's synesthesia which accounts for the ability to touch someone and see, hear, feel, or smell information about them.

Literally, our brains are wired and designed differently than most people's brains. Some scientists from Monash University measured study participants brains using voxel -based morphometry which is a test that measures the grey matter of the brain. Supposedly, they discovered that effective empathetic people have denser grey matter in the insular cortex.

And cognitive empathetic people have denser grey matter in the midcingulate cortex. So, their results were that empathy is a multi-component construct of the brain. And then there is insular cortex. The pineal gland is where emotions are generated so empaths have very active pineal glands.

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I was specifically working with mine in meditation before my mania and psychosis set in. I think I perhaps set off a chain reaction that I shouldn't have as I had a ton of repressed trauma that came out once the flood gates were opened. I think bipolar and schizophrenic people with psychosis may have something similar going on. And yes, I know this sounds pretty much like what you just said. It doesn't mean it isn't true or at least grasping at truth
While I was in the ICU recovering from my TBI, I knew that my sister was pregnant with my first nephew even though she didn't tell anyone she was pregnant -- not even her husband. I remember telling her in the ICU, your son is autistic and she told me she thought it was because I had a brain injury. Turns out, her son was diagnosed with autism by the time he was 3 years old.

Like you pointed out, many cultures across the world address intuitive abilities differently than the West. They revere it. They nourish it. They celebrate it. Why do Westerners go abroad to drink mushroom tea, to take LSD, to drink ayahuasca? Because of how the West squelches anyone with natural abilities; the West has some clinics and some believers that support intuition. There are a ton of "fake" psychics who you can call for $3.99 a minute, or attend a fake psychic fair and get a reading done by a fake psychic.

I am a science nerd by nature. I love reading scientific studies about the brain. And there's a ton of scientific research (not just done in the West, but by scienttists from other countries) who also have proven that intuition and empathetic abilities are actually real, not fake, like the fake psychics.

Maybe people who experience psychosis are just experiencing information on a higher plane than normal people, and in a sense are punished for it because of the system of psychiatry. I've always believed that our brains are just "our brains" and that based on a person's genetics, their DNA, etc.,. they either get a normal brain, an autistic brain, a brain that is "tapped in" to the higher realms (I'm not religious either) of energy (no, not God or any diety that's man's creation) that exist. I'm a fan of astronomer and astrobiologist Carl Sagan. Did you know he was also an empath? Oh yes indeed. He predicted a LOT of things to happen before they did.

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I probably sound weird saying all of that, but it's what I believe. That doesn't mean I think serial killers and rapists or sociopaths or psychopaths are just misunderstood empaths. Yikes, no! Research shows that sociopaths and psychopaths have different brain patterns and their brains function differently than normal people's brains do.
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I probably sound weird saying all of that, but it's what I believe. That doesn't mean I think serial killers and rapists or sociopaths or psychopaths are just misunderstood empaths. Yikes, no! Research shows that sociopaths and psychopaths have different brain patterns and their brains function differently than normal people's brains do.
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And I agree with a lot of what you said. I'm a science geek and most people probably experience me as weird. I stopped caring a long time ago.

A thought about free will. I think perhaps it is still in charge, but maybe the free will of the soul or higher self trumps that of our conscious mind.
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Bp cyclist, since you need a jumpstart on picking up the guitar, I bet the more musical of us would enjoy singing along w you. Warm, amusing thought picturing a group of us singing along or adding other instruments as you play via that conference call website!!!
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And I agree with a lot of what you said. I'm a science geek and most people probably experience me as weird. I stopped caring a long time ago.

A thought about free will. I think perhaps it is still in charge, but maybe the free will of the soul or higher self trumps that of our conscious mind.

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Well, about that free will...Turns out that *some not all* neuroscientists believe that our "free will" is just predetermined, or preprogrammed neurons in the brain. So, these people believe that our thoughts and actions are predictable in that sense. I don't know if I fully agree with that but I'm on the fence about it; b/c if someone tells me to jump off a bridge there's no way I'm going to do that, even if I'm attached to a bungee cord.

Free-will skepticism exists thanks to those pesky determinists.
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I feel the pineal gland is involved... I'm just sayin It produces melatonin and manic folks have severely disturbed sleep patterns in a lot of cases. However, it is believed to be the seat of spiritual and intuitive experiences in many cultures. I was specifically working with mine in meditation before my mania and psychosis set in. I think I perhaps set off a chain reaction that I shouldn't have as I had a ton of repressed trauma that came out once the flood gates were opened. I think bipolar and schizophrenic people with psychosis may have something similar going on. And yes, I know this sounds pretty much like what you just said. It doesn't mean it isn't true or at least grasping at truth
The pineal--I had no idea. I will have to read about that. I am very sorry about your trauma-releasing experience. That must have been very difficult for you.

I am pretty sure you and I agree on the likely connection between the spiritual and the intuitive. When I talk about some sort of "wireless" information transfer, what I mean to say, really, is that I believe in my life that my "visions" have come from a higher spiritual source and that the information contained in them has been designed to come expressly to me and from that source. That there is a purpose, even if I do not understand that purpose. That information must be transferred into my brain through some mechanism--it didn't just appear there by itself, in my view. There have been no wires connected to my brain, that I am aware of. Enough said. Just my personal world view and experience.

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No, you're correct. We can't outrun our destined events no matter what we do. You and I both tried and we still went through those terrible experiences despite our best efforts to avoid them. That proved to me (my TBI) that empathy and intuition was more powerful than anyone's free will.

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Empathic ability means that your brain is hardwired differently than most people and it can be used as a gift, feel like a curse, or become a nuisance. It's been all 3 for me and I'm 49 years old.

My guess is, you were born empathetic but weren't around people who recognized this as an "ability" or talent or skill. It probably manifested itself to you during your work with patients, but you didn't learn to recognize or were able to acknowledge these hunches as empathetic intuitive abilities.

Your accident was the largest manifestation of this gift you've had your whole life. I bet if you tracked events and conversations and past relationships, you could remember incidents of highly intuitive experiences (hunches, visions, foreshadows, know information ahead of time about something or someone).

There is literally new empirical research to support the fact that yes, empaths like us, have "different" brains. Mentally ill or not mentally ill, an empath's brain is wired differently than someone who doesn't have the ability to intuit. The same way that autistic brains are hardwired differently than people who aren't autistic.

First, we have more hyper-response neurons than most people. Those are the neurons responsible for compassion and empathy. We're stacked with those. We also have stronger magnetic fields which the heart and brain generate (studies prove this too). So, we are more "connected" or "dialed in" than most people. It's like a switch we can't turn off, even if we use meditation or breathing it will always be there.

There is also evidence that everyone exchanges energy. Think of how people transfer their bad or good mood to you when you encounter them. For empaths, we're pretty well screwed when people yell at us or get excited around us b/c we absorb that energy automatically. We also have a higher sensitivity to dopamine than most normal people do. And then, there's synesthesia which accounts for the ability to touch someone and see, hear, feel, or smell information about them.

Literally, our brains are wired and designed differently than most people's brains. Some scientists from Monash University measured study participants brains using voxel -based morphometry which is a test that measures the grey matter of the brain. Supposedly, they discovered that effective empathetic people have denser grey matter in the insular cortex.

And cognitive empathetic people have denser grey matter in the midcingulate cortex. So, their results were that empathy is a multi-component construct of the brain. And then there is insular cortex. The pineal gland is where emotions are generated so empaths have very active pineal glands.


While I was in the ICU recovering from my TBI, I knew that my sister was pregnant with my first nephew even though she didn't tell anyone she was pregnant -- not even her husband. I remember telling her in the ICU, your son is autistic and she told me she thought it was because I had a brain injury. Turns out, her son was diagnosed with autism by the time he was 3 years old.

Like you pointed out, many cultures across the world address intuitive abilities differently than the West. They revere it. They nourish it. They celebrate it. Why do Westerners go abroad to drink mushroom tea, to take LSD, to drink ayahuasca? Because of how the West squelches anyone with natural abilities; the West has some clinics and some believers that support intuition. There are a ton of "fake" psychics who you can call for $3.99 a minute, or attend a fake psychic fair and get a reading done by a fake psychic.

I am a science nerd by nature. I love reading scientific studies about the brain. And there's a ton of scientific research (not just done in the West, but by scienttists from other countries) who also have proven that intuition and empathetic abilities are actually real, not fake, like the fake psychics.

Maybe people who experience psychosis are just experiencing information on a higher plane than normal people, and in a sense are punished for it because of the system of psychiatry. I've always believed that our brains are just "our brains" and that based on a person's genetics, their DNA, etc.,. they either get a normal brain, an autistic brain, a brain that is "tapped in" to the higher realms (I'm not religious either) of energy (no, not God or any diety that's man's creation) that exist. I'm a fan of astronomer and astrobiologist Carl Sagan. Did you know he was also an empath? Oh yes indeed. He predicted a LOT of things to happen before they did.
Yes, we are on the same page about almost all of this. I will say, and I did not mention this before, that from toddlerhood, I have been extremely empathetic, sensitive, and worried about the well-being of others. My mother always *****ed that I was "too sensitive." And she was right, sort of--I was. Always.

I was the kid who stood up to the bullies that made fun of the kids with developmental delays. I was the one who raised hell when people were being mistreated. I tried to rescue the girls with eating disorders. On and on and on.

I had no choice in any of this. It is quite literally just the way I came out.

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