advertisement
Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
HALLIEBETH87
Legendary
 
HALLIEBETH87's Avatar
HALLIEBETH87 Tired
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: usa
Posts: 11,175
15 yr Member
2,739 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 15, 2018 at 07:17 PM
  #1
Man. I was looking through my DBT binder and decided to look at old diary cards. Man was I unstable then. I was back and forth so much! And had signs of psychosis that no one seemed to acknowledge.

__________________
Bipolar 1 w/psychotic features or schizoaffective bipolar type
PTSD
generalized anxiety
OCD

celexa, prazosin, Lybalvi and prn zyprexa and klonopin
HALLIEBETH87 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
 
Hugs from:
HopeForChange

advertisement
wildflowerchild25
Elder
 
wildflowerchild25's Avatar
wildflowerchild25 has no updates.
 
Member Since: Mar 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 6,431
10 yr Member
9,545 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 15, 2018 at 07:22 PM
  #2
My experience with DBT is that they choose not to acknowledge psychosis and prefer to believe everything can be solved by changing your thinking. I think DBT definitely has a place in bipolar treatment but it’s not the end all and be all that advocates say it is. I harmed myself severely while in a dbt program and they dismissed me for attention seeking. I was hospitalized with mixed episode psychosis a couple of weeks later. I could have avoided the psychosis part if they had taken me seriously.

I won’t return to that program. And I refuse to be placed in any solely dbt based program. I just won’t go.

__________________
Of course it is happening inside your head. But why on earth should that mean that it is not real?
-Albus Dumbledore

That’s life. If nothing else, that is life. It’s real. Sometimes it
f—-ing hurts. But it’s sort of all we have.
-Garden State
wildflowerchild25 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
 
Hugs from:
HopeForChange
 
Thanks for this!
~Christina
HALLIEBETH87
Legendary
 
HALLIEBETH87's Avatar
HALLIEBETH87 Tired
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: usa
Posts: 11,175
15 yr Member
2,739 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 15, 2018 at 07:24 PM
  #3
It mostly helped me. Especially distress tolerance skills.

But I was seeing shadows and hearing someone say my name and no one seemed to care. Then I had my first psychosis and they didn't help me cope much.

__________________
Bipolar 1 w/psychotic features or schizoaffective bipolar type
PTSD
generalized anxiety
OCD

celexa, prazosin, Lybalvi and prn zyprexa and klonopin
HALLIEBETH87 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
HALLIEBETH87
Legendary
 
HALLIEBETH87's Avatar
HALLIEBETH87 Tired
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: usa
Posts: 11,175
15 yr Member
2,739 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 15, 2018 at 07:32 PM
  #4
Not to mention they took me back to time ems cans cops came to my house and stuff. Wow. A lot has happened.

__________________
Bipolar 1 w/psychotic features or schizoaffective bipolar type
PTSD
generalized anxiety
OCD

celexa, prazosin, Lybalvi and prn zyprexa and klonopin
HALLIEBETH87 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Anonymous46341
Guest
Anonymous46341 has no updates. Edit
 
Posts: n/a
Default Apr 15, 2018 at 08:42 PM
  #5
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildflowerchild25 View Post
My experience with DBT is that they choose not to acknowledge psychosis and prefer to believe everything can be solved by changing your thinking. I think DBT definitely has a place in bipolar treatment but it’s not the end all and be all that advocates say it is. I harmed myself severely while in a dbt program and they dismissed me for attention seeking. I was hospitalized with mixed episode psychosis a couple of weeks later. I could have avoided the psychosis part if they had taken me seriously.

I won’t return to that program. And I refuse to be placed in any solely dbt based program. I just won’t go.
I must agree with the above in many ways. Though I do see value in some DBT skills, for anyone, sometimes it's not the right place for manic or mixed manic people. Even with depression, it had only limited value for me.

My area has a co-ed IOP and a women's DBT program. I believe that any manic or mixed manic woman ended up sent to the DBT women's program after hospitalizations. The co-ed therapists didn't seem to want bipolar women. They took bipolar men, though. So, bipolar women have "emotional dysregulation" while bipolar men don't? Kind of a sexist assumption, no? Anyway, I got NOTHING out of DBT when I was manic. It was a waste! But now that I'm stable, I see some value in DBT, but as I wrote, no more than just about any person on the street might.

I, too, refuse to ever return to a DBT program. My psychiatrist knows that. Besides, after four stints in one, I think I'm more than qualified to teach the skills.If I had to sit through a fifth time and fill out another one of those sheets I'd puke on it. Or if manic, even worse. In two cases, I even felt I was being punished for being manic. One ended up scared by my rebellion and quit me.

I'm sorry I sound angry. I'm perfectly stable and happy now, but looking back it burns me up!
  Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
 
Thanks for this!
wildflowerchild25
~Christina
Legendary Wise Elder
Community Liaison
 
~Christina's Avatar
~Christina has no updates.
 
Member Since: Jul 2011
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 22,450 (SuperPoster!)
10 yr Member
12.7k hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 15, 2018 at 09:01 PM
  #6
I think if you can pick and choose out of dbt it can be helpful but most stuff is common sense , of course we can’t see that when the world is on fire.

Personally I would not do DBT. I don’t have the patience lol

__________________
Helping others gets me out of my own head ~
~Christina is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
 
Thanks for this!
Shazerac, wildflowerchild25
HALLIEBETH87
Legendary
 
HALLIEBETH87's Avatar
HALLIEBETH87 Tired
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: usa
Posts: 11,175
15 yr Member
2,739 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 16, 2018 at 08:45 AM
  #7
Wondering if I should take my diary cards to t tomorrow so he can fully appreciate how far I have come

__________________
Bipolar 1 w/psychotic features or schizoaffective bipolar type
PTSD
generalized anxiety
OCD

celexa, prazosin, Lybalvi and prn zyprexa and klonopin
HALLIEBETH87 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Anonymous35014
Guest
Anonymous35014 has no updates. Edit
 
Posts: n/a
Default Apr 16, 2018 at 08:57 AM
  #8
You should bring them. You can have a good discussion about the cards, and it'd be interesting to see your T's perspective. You never know, maybe you'll learn something new at the T's office that you didn't see before. And maybe he can give you some good advice/feedback about what he sees.
  Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Shazerac
Grand Magnate
 
Shazerac's Avatar
Shazerac is attempting to contact the mother ship.
 
Member Since: May 2015
Location: earth
Posts: 3,029
8 yr Member
1,884 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Apr 16, 2018 at 10:55 AM
  #9
I second the motion on bluebycle’s recommendation! Sounds like a great idea.

I got a DBT workbook a few years back and tried to plow my way through it. It just didn’t resonate for me. I ended up being more stressed out. I stayed away from self help books for a while after that. Maybe I’m in a different place now and it might be different...but my knee jerk reaction to even thinking about is NOPE!

__________________


Eat a live frog for breakfast every morning and nothing worse can happen to you that day!

"Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be left waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth.” Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Bipolar type 2 rapid cycling DX 2013 -
Seroquel 100
Celexa 20 mg
Xanax .5 mg prn
Modafanil 100 mg

Shazerac is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Mini2018
Member
Mini2018 has no updates.
 
Member Since: Apr 2018
Location: Earth weekdays, Pluto on weekends
Posts: 35
5 yr Member
Default Apr 18, 2018 at 03:45 AM
  #10
DBT was a reminder of skills I've learned over the years. But it all boils down to a few tools. It doesn't matter how much you think, when your in the middle of an episode, CBT, DBT, therapy groups, they can all do more harm than good. Last time I did DBT they opened what a call Pandoras box. Life past that I've realized I'll never have again. They taught otherwise, that any things possible, the futures not written. That did a lot of damage and took a lot of time and work to get my thoughts dreams and hopes squashed back into the box.

I guess the thing to remember with DBT is it's not bipolar specific. I had it in a group setting, as i think most do.My group had everyone from alcoholics to victims of narcissists. One size doesn't fit all.

Truth be told I was lucky enough that my DBT teacher had a bipolar partner. I learned more from her than the course itself.
Mini2018 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:28 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® — Copyright © 2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.



 

My Support Forums

My Support Forums is the online community that was originally begun as the Psych Central Forums in 2001. It now runs as an independent self-help support group community for mental health, personality, and psychological issues and is overseen by a group of dedicated, caring volunteers from around the world.

 

Helplines and Lifelines

The material on this site is for informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider.

Always consult your doctor or mental health professional before trying anything you read here.