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Default Mar 13, 2019 at 09:07 PM
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I read that BirdDancer. Very well put.
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Default Mar 13, 2019 at 09:19 PM
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Every so often, I think it's good to bring up this topic. Though many of us have never spent time in jail or prison, an abnormally high percentage of prisoners are seriously mentally ill, and they often stay there longer than other prisoners. Many also find themselves in jail again and again, often for actions related to mentally ill behavior. Here are some statistics to note:

How Many Individuals with Serious Mental Illness are in Jails and Prisons?
(updated November 2014)

SUMMARY: Approximately 20 percent of inmates in jails and 15 percent of inmates in state prisons have a serious mental illness. Based on the total number of inmates, this means that there are approximately 356,000 inmates with serious mental illness in jails and state prisons. This is 10 times more than the approximately 35,000 individuals with serious mental illness remaining in state hospitals.

Torrey EF, Zdanowicz MT, Kennard AD et al. The treatment of persons with mental illness in prisons and jails: A state survey. Arlington, VA, Treatment Advocacy Center, April 8, 2014.

The nation’s jails and prisons have replaced hospitals as the primary facility for mentally ill individuals.

There are more seriously mentally ill individuals in the Los Angeles County Jail, Chicago’s Cook County Jail, or New York’s Riker’s Island Jail than in any psychiatric hospital in the United States. In fact, in every county in the US that has both a county jail and a county psychiatric facility, the jail has more seriously mentally ill individuals. A 2004–2005 survey reported that there were “more than three times more seriously mentally ill persons in jails and prisons than in hospitals.”

Torrey EF, Kennard AD, Eslinger D et al. More Mentally Ill Persons Are in Jails and Prisons than Hospitals: A Survey of the States (Arlington, Va.: Treatment Advocacy Center, 2010).

Mentally ill often stay longer than non mentally ill in prisons and jails

In Florida’s Orange County Jail, the average stay for all inmates is 26 days; for mentally ill inmates, it is 51 days. In New York’s Riker’s Island Jail, the average stay for all inmates is 42 days; for mentally ill inmates, it is 215 days. The main reason mentally ill inmates stay longer is that many find it difficult to understand and follow jail and prison rules. In one study, jail inmates were twice as likely (19 percent versus 9 percent) to be charged with facility rule violations. In another study in the Washington State prisons, mentally ill inmates accounted for 41 percent of infractions even though they constituted only 19 percent of the prison population. Another reason mentally ill inmates stay longer is that they are often held for months awaiting the availability of a bed in a psychiatric hospital.

Jails and mental illness, Criminal Justice/Mental Health Consensus Project,
Nothing found for Infocenter Factsheets Fafct_Jails, last accessed April 3, 2006.

Turner C, Ethical issues in criminal justice administration, American Jails, January/February
2007.

Butterfield F. Study finds hundreds of thousands of inmates mentally ill, New York Times,
October 22, 2003.

Miller CM, Fantz A. Special “psych” jails planned, Miami Herald, November 15, 2007.

Bender E. Community treatment more humane, reduces criminal-justice costs, Psychiatric
News 2003;38:28.

Gottschlich AJ, Cetnar G. Drug bills at jail top food costs, Springfield [OH] News Sun, August
20, 2002.

Guenther A. Family sues Camco over prisoner’s death, [NJ] Courier Post, June 14, 2006.

Mentally ill inmates are more likely to commit suicide.

Multiple studies have shown that approximately half of all inmate suicides are committed by inmates who are seriously mentally ill. A 2002 study in Washington State reported that “the prevalence of mental illness among inmates who attempted suicide was 77 percent, compared with 15 percent [among inmates] in the general jail population.”

In California in 2002, the Los Angeles Times headlined: “Jail Suicides Reach Record Pace in State,” and added: “Some experts blame the recent surge on forcing more of the mentally ill behind bars.” Goss JR, Peterson K, Smith LW et al.

Characteristics of suicide attempts in a large urban jail system with an established suicide prevention program, Psychiatric Services 2002;53:574–
579.

Johnson J. Jail suicides reach record pace in state, Los Angeles Times, June 16, 2002.

Issues relating to less frequent mental healthcare for many African Americans with mental health concerns

See Black & African American Communities and Mental Health | Mental Health America
Yes it’s sad and my cousin committed suicide while incarcerated and I really think psych forensic hospitals should be part of jails or built next to jails. In addition, build and offer secured and locked mental group homes to replace jail time.
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Default Mar 13, 2019 at 10:27 PM
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Yes it’s sad and my cousin committed suicide while incarcerated and I really think psych forensic hospitals should be part of jails or built next to jails. In addition, build and offer secured and locked mental group homes to replace jail time.
I'm sorry to read about your cousin, zapatoes. There is a lot that could be done to make people safer including how they are approached the 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc time by police and how people get wrapped up over time in criminal activity.

I realize I got the cushy jail treatment to have ended up in the forensic psych ward. They are at least giving people medication and you have someone to talk to about what you are going through as a person although it is one of those situations where everything you say to a nurse or doctor can and will be used against you in court. I found it to be an extremely coercive environment, but for some people it was the best care they will probably ever get.

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Default Mar 14, 2019 at 03:25 AM
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I am in AA and one of the things that I do is take meetings into the women's prisons and jails. If I had to assign and arbitrary percentage I would say that 75% of the women in jail have addictions and mental illness. I would go so far as say that 85% are victims of domestic violence. One of the jails I go to is supposed to be a last chance stop before prison. Its supposed to offer these women mental health and addiction treatment. Everytime I go in after the security its like no one knows what to do with these women. They are jam packed and it is very loud. There is no consistency. When I listen to them share and hear their stories of bad men and losing their children it breaks my heart. So many of them are mentally ill and were influenced by nefarious men in their lives. Many of them tried to get clean but get sent back home to the environment they were in. So many of them want mental health treatment but when they get out they have no car and are far away from the agencies that could help them. Some try and get medicaid but cant get to their appointments. One of the mental health agencies that takes medicaid is a mad house. Crowed and the wait is hours just to see a different doctor each time. These girls leave with their prescription notes and cant get in right away and cant take their medication because they didnt see the doctor. Some of the ones who get to see the doctor cant afford their medication. None of these women want this or asked for it and many of them are good mamas when they are sober and treated.
What to do? Banning for-profit prisons would be a start. How can you say that the system wants you well if they make money off of having prisoners? There needs to be more psychiatrists available for them and better mass transit. The social services need to be quicker with their approvals for food stamps and medicaid. I could go on and on about what I have seen. I have given my number to a few women and picked them up in very bad areas to take them to meetings. Its just a S**t show.

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sarahsweets, that is so kind that you help the ladies in such a way. Thank you, also, for sharing your observations about their situations and thinking about solutions that may help. I appreciated learning more about this from you. I know we all should. I guess that's the best way to help get positive changes.
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Default Mar 14, 2019 at 05:39 AM
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I have to say I had no idea for-profit prisons even existed, as everything in Canada is government-run. I agree that if the prison is for profit, of course they want inmates in there for as long as possible. They are running a business and that's how they make their money. Sadly, tragically, it comes at the expense of others.

It is absolutely reprehensible that once a person is "in the system" it is almost impossible to get out, for all the reasons you mentioned, sarahsweets. As a society we must do a better job of protecting our most vulnerable.
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I'm sorry about your cousin, zapatoes.

I think you hit the nail on the head, piggy momma.
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Default Mar 14, 2019 at 06:05 PM
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What can we do? And this applies to other psych issues such as time insurance companies allow for doctor sessions, quality of training and supervision of professionals, etc. It starts here, and thank you Bird Dancer, the research leader of Psych Central. Research world, nation, local as to what's happening.
1. Join advocacy groups such as NAMI and DBSA and participate, donate.
2. Write law making committees in national, regional, and local government as a group.
3. If your issue cannot be addressed, start your own advocacy group.
4. Have your group ask candidates for office to state their position on your issue.
5. Vote, vote, vote and vote some more.

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