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I wrote a post with a link to an article in the Psychiatric Times on the above-mentioned topic. The link came up as "You have been blocked" for some unknown reason, even though it was clickable. I'm going to assume maybe PC has some issue with this topic? I did use a trigger box for any particularly triggering content. Anyway, if this is against any Terms of Conditions, please delete and accept my apologies.

If anyone is interested in the post I intended for this, I can send it by PM, I assume. If that is also prohibited, please let me know. I deleted the contents of this post when that "You have been blocked" showed up for the Psychiatric Times article link.

The subject of this thread is not exactly tea and crumpets, but it's reality for some in psych wards. We all know that bipolar disorder is a horrible illness to have. Sometimes it can look very scary.
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Default Sep 09, 2019 at 06:04 PM
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At my Preferred IP it’s called the quiet room. I’ve seen several people taken there. They put a Velcro body
Suit around the person and give them a shot of Thorazine. Then they’re taken to the quiet room. All I know about it is there is a plastic sort of bed in there with no sheets or blankets .

I’ve never been restrained but I have been on super close watch before. I tried to hang my self while IP and they made me sit by the desk all day. The followed me to the bathroom and I wasn’t allowed to go anywhere alone. Then I had to sleep in the day room where they could see me all night. -sigh-
It was traumatizing. After that I had to sleep in a camera room

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I've been restrained and put into seclusion more times than I can remember. Most of the time I was having a PTSD reaction and the staff response exacerbated my condition. If instead one staff and just responded in a calm listening manor the whole thing could have been avoided.

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There was also a "serenity room" for people that just wanted to get away from noise. I didn't like it because of certain psychotic delusions at the time but I guess it's a nice place. It has bean bags and yoga mats.
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HALLIEBETH and Nammu, I'm so sorry about what you've been through. I felt traumatized by some of my experiences, too. Nammu, I do think staff overreact at times, and other times maybe not.

I'll go ahead and put the Psychiatric Times article link here. If a PC Mod doesn't like it, they can do what they like with this thread. It's a Psychiatric Times article! It seems to still be clickable on my end. You have been blocked

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Never been restrained for psych purposes. Been given morphine for pain and that kind of calmed me down. Seen the rubber room once at the old psych ER - it had padded walls and a chair or two. Not sure- I wasn't put in it. Worst I did at the hospital was wandering in circles in the waiting room because I was bored. The kept having to tell me to sit down and stay away from the door. I was green banded- makes alarms go off if you go through the doors. I was taken to the "back" once and put in a small room with an uncomfortable bed and the lights on. The door had a square window near the top and cross-crossed metal wires going throughout. The nurses station was right there. I was so bored I just kept staring at them. I was fed - a breakfast tray with a tiny box of Frosted Flakes. I was in there for ages. Another trip to a different hospital- they had a "commode" in my room and they had to have their eyes on me at all times. I had to "go number 2" in front of everyone in the middle of the room. They weren't happy about that- and neither was I! Eventually I was
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I am sorry for everyone that has had to experience this. I know there are times when someone is unsafe and this may be necessary, but I would really hope it's not used except as a last resort. I don't think I'd handle it well. Nammu, I am sorry that happened to you. I can see how in that mental state that sort of response would just aggravate everything.

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Default Sep 09, 2019 at 06:58 PM
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When I was in the state hospital they used it all the time to maximum time. Once the doctor said I was walking angrily( but not talking or acting out in any way) so they surrounded me and tied me down to the mat. Because that was traumatizing I would dissociate and not respond to anything so they would leave me tied down and in suclusion for 23 hours, then by law they had to release me. Because I was dissociating they would then ( I'm told) lead me to me room and put me on the bed. Where I would later find out a whole day had passed.

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Default Sep 09, 2019 at 07:02 PM
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I've never "officially" been restrained or put in seclusion. I have been given emergency thorazine when I was freaking out at the psych ward, but both times I "agreed" to take it orally instead of them having to give it to me by shot. I was more a danger to myself than others those times, so they just kept me where they could see me.

This last time I was IP, they had me on 5 minute checks at night, because I sleep with a CPAP and
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I have gone to the quiet room before, but I asked to go to get away from the noise or because I didn't feel safe. I was never forced to go there. The descriptions given pretty closely match with what it looked like at my hospital too.

I hate that people have been forcefully restrained and secluded... Sometimes it is necessary tho, unfortunately.

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I had to be restrained during my ride to the hospital. I was kicking and screaming in the ambulance like crazy. They gave me a shot and it very quickly sedated me. I could barely lift my head. I had a guard outside of my room the whole time I was there until I was transferred to the mental hospital. I needed to be restrained. I was a danger to myself and others.
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Wow that sounds horrible and traumatizing Nammu. I can't even imagine. That was my fear when I was in a mixed episode that if I were to be hospitalized I would somehow get restrained physically or chemically because I seemed agitated and couldn't sit still. I hope there are other hospitals you could go to if you needed IP in the future?
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I was committed to that state hospital for 6 months, when they tried to recommit me I left the state. There was no treatment, no groups. Just a crazy pdoc who loved using seclusion. I was homeless for years afterwards because I could not trust anyone to really help me.

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That's horrible @Nammu ... It's really bad when the hospital treats someone so bad they lose all trust in the system and people in general. I'm so sorry...

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I am so sorry you experienced that. That is really terrible and sounds like an incredibly hard experience. Have you found a pdoc or therapist you can trust now?
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Nammu, it definitely sounds like you experienced abuse. Do you think that someday when you're feeling well you could write some letter to the appropriate government authority about your horrible experience?

My experiences with restraint and seclusion were a bit traumatizing for me. I can't deny that. However, in my particular case, some of my severe episode experiences outside of the hospital are even more difficult to process. There is stuff we don't talk about to even family. Some stuff I've barely talked about to many of my past therapists. Some events I have talked about, but then the therapist acted astounded that I mentioned them in such a "matter of fact" way. They weren't "matter of fact", but some people (I can say, like me) try not to let these things destroy. I don't "laugh" at the really horrible stuff, as I joked about in a different thread, but I try to move on. They sometimes must be processed, like any trauma, though. Something does give, if traumas aren't processed. I know that very well. I once equated that trauma as creating a "psychiatric avalanche" in my life. One rough challenge, mentally, happened after another. I had to fight past all of them, one step at a time, and look forward to the good ahead.
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That happened years ago. I eventually ended up in a woman's shelter that had excellent counselors and groups. They helped me get sec 8 where I had my own safe apartment to retreat to, and that helped a lot. I was chosen to represent MI by PAIMI and I was able to have a voice. The state hospital I was at issued a blanket apology to patients via the newspaper, too little and too late to ever help anyone. I did get a good T who also signed and was able to over come the PTSD now it's ( just ) bipolar I deal with.

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That happened years ago. I eventually ended up in a woman's shelter that had excellent counselors and groups. They helped me get sec 8 where I had my own safe apartment to retreat to, and that helped a lot. I was chosen to represent MI by PAIMI and I was able to have a voice. The state hospital I was at issued a blanket apology to patients via the newspaper, too little and too late to ever help anyone. I did get a good T who also signed and was able to over come the PTSD now it's ( just ) bipolar I deal with.
Thanks for sharing that, Nammu! I'm glad things worked out OK in the end. That rocks how you overcame the PTSD! Onward we fight bipolar disorder.
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I've been restrained and heavily sedated. I had a severe psychotic-manic episode that made me convinced the staff at the hospital worked for the secret forces I was fighting with my supernatural powers. I was totally delusional, hallucinating, and wildly manic. For my own safety they restrained me until the sedation rendered me powerless. It's a terrible feeling being restrained. I fought hard against them. I was sure the invisible forces were planning to hurt me and fighting the restraints was my only choice.
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@Nammu, thank you for sharing your story. I was not refusing or a danger to anyone or even arguing with the doctor and I was drugged, restrained in cuffs and shackles and carted off. Put before a judge whilst under whatever they drugged me with and committed. I have PTSD on top of my cPTSD from the "care" provided by these doctors, which is why I have so much trouble dealing with any healthcare providers now.

Medical professionals ABUSE this tactic far too often. I was also issued an apology publicly from the hospital that did this to me, but that doesn't do much good in helping me now.

Sorry to jump in on a bipolar thread; I just very strongly identified and wanted to comment.

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My normal IP has a “serene room” (many) soothing music, Wall Fall sounds etc. you can pick what you like , the lighting is muted, the furniture, there is a bed , oversized sofa, soft blankets, a small fridge with bottles of juices, milk, a basket full of snacks. I stayed there once for I dunno 5-6 hours and once almost 10 hours I guess.

A mental health tech is with you at all times , you can talk to them , cry or retreat into your self.

I have needed it twice, once I was psychotic and very frantic, the other time my Fibro pain was so bad I was a angry and punching my bed frame, I was a mess BUT wasn’t a threat to anyone or myself besides almost breaking my hand punching the bed frame.

Each time I was given oral Xanax or Valium ( Large dose) and once agreed to take I think it was Thorazine?

Vanderbilt does not use restraints on anyone unless they are out of there mind on street drugs, they are kept in the hospital until they are down from it, the psych unit is about 4 blocks from the hospital.

If someone is literally out of there mind they are typically taken to the hospital so medically they can be monitored ekg wise and whatever meds can be given at higher doses.

Vanderbilt is a very well known university hospital and they have one of the best psych services, I’m lucky they have been there for me.

I have heard freaking horror story’s from other patients that wound up at state hospital or other places.

I’m so sorry for any of you that have wound up in a hellish situation. Breaks my heart knowing it happened

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