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Default May 17, 2020 at 09:42 PM
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Thank you for everyone’s response.

As far as abuse goes, he has not done it in a long time, and when he does he does not leave marks. It’s more pushing, or holding me down and screaming in my face, that kind of thing. Just because he doesn’t leave marks doesn’t make it okay, hence why I categorize it as abuse. It’s a control issue.

Another thing that needs to be clarified. I’m no longer with the other guy. The other guy was filling an emotional void for me. We were work friends, very good friends, for years before things got physical. But he’s gone. He’s been gone for close to a month. I have no intention of reconciling. This post wasn’t me trying to figure out if I should leave my husband for this other man. It was a post to see if I should leave my husband period. I’m confused, yes. Naive, yes. (Thank you for the poster that pointed that out several times ((not))). He has control issues. And anger issues. But I’m so scared of divorce. Just terrified. No one is perfect. My husband has issues, but so do I, and so do you. The question is our marriage salvageable? How can I be sure? If it’s not, will I be doomed in the future in other relationships? My BP disorder makes me very moody and sometimes low energy at home (I use all my energy at work).

Also, please be empathetic if you can. My emotional state is quite fragile lately. Thank you all for your continued support.

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Hi BlueSkyGirl. Welcome to PC. I can tell you're hurting and confused and I know it is difficult to be in such a place. I also know how it feels when you're going through a tough place mentally and emotionally and you also need to be a parent at the same time. That can be overwhelming. I also have experience with abuse. All of that combined is a lot to deal with.

You've mentioned a void several times. I don't really find it important to weigh in on how you've attempted to fill it in the past other than to say the solution turned out to be impermanent each time. If it were me, I'd take a step back and work with these feelings of emptiness for a while.

We are all whole and complete just as we are. Feelings of a state of void are a perception. They come in phases and they are a natural occurrence. Everyone has been there and will periodically be there. It is a necessary part of growth like the winter that gives way to spring. Winter offers a valuable opportunity to rest and let go of the past.

So, I'd spend time with the feelings and determine why there is a fear of being alone. That fear will move with you wherever you go until you address it. If you are able to find happiness in your marriage, it will not come without filling this void for yourself.

Try not to think of it as a dark and scary place. Perhaps consider it as a cocoon that allows you to rest, let go of the pieces of yourself that aren't working and then emerge when you're ready. You need time to figure out how to be complete on your own and then you can match that with someone else. The goal is to be with someone who compliments your features, not someone who fills in holes. Someone who challenges you and expands you, not someone who leaves you empty when things aren't working. You need to determine what you wish to be on your own regardless of the people around you.

Additionally, I think family therapy may be worth looking into. Perhaps couples therapy and then maybe sessions with the kids depending on their experiences with the abuse. This may take a while because it can be challenging to find the right therapist. Just feel it out and work with someone you and your husband feel compliments your own instincts and intuition about what you need to address.

You're right, abuse is negative in all its forms. We allow for abuse for various reasons and we in turn abuse others in various forms. It is a powerful learning experience. If you widen your perspective, you may see how some of your own behaviors have abused your husband's trust, heart and mind. The roles are fluid and it is important to understand what attracts us to those experiences so that we can see our patterns, forgive ourselves and find ways to generate better experiences.

I think it is also important to have a plan to address the mood swings. They can cloud our judgment and our perception of our state and abilities. There are lots of ways to do this and only you can decide the right route to take. The goal becomes finding ways to be honest with ourselves or finding people we can trust to offer insight when we cannot see correctly. At least for me, I was unable to properly determine what steps I needed to take to reshape my life until I was in a more balanced place. At that point I was able to better assess myself and develop a strategy to move forward.

It feels as though some perspectives here have felt offensive. I know that's uncomfortable. I do not intend to offend you. Anything that triggered you probably holds a clue to an area worth digging into on your own. Try not to take it too personally. Individuals here are working with a tiny subset of information about your story and are sometimes coming from a place of experience, pain and wisdom from their own lives. Perhaps just try to look at why you were triggered and see how it relates to any feelings you have of fear, judgment, or any of those voids you feel. I wish you all the best.
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If he is known to be abusive and is aggressive, I’d probably remove your picture from the avatar. People find other people on here all the time. You might want to protect yourself
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Hi BlueSkyGirl. Welcome to PC. I can tell you're hurting and confused and I know it is difficult to be in such a place. I also know how it feels when you're going through a tough place mentally and emotionally and you also need to be a parent at the same time. That can be overwhelming. I also have experience with abuse. All of that combined is a lot to deal with.

You've mentioned a void several times. I don't really find it important to weigh in on how you've attempted to fill it in the past other than to say the solution turned out to be impermanent each time. If it were me, I'd take a step back and work with these feelings of emptiness for a while.

We are all whole and complete just as we are. Feelings of a state of void are a perception. They come in phases and they are a natural occurrence. Everyone has been there and will periodically be there. It is a necessary part of growth like the winter that gives way to spring. Winter offers a valuable opportunity to rest and let go of the past.

So, I'd spend time with the feelings and determine why there is a fear of being alone. That fear will move with you wherever you go until you address it. If you are able to find happiness in your marriage, it will not come without filling this void for yourself.

Try not to think of it as a dark and scary place. Perhaps consider it as a cocoon that allows you to rest, let go of the pieces of yourself that aren't working and then emerge when you're ready. You need time to figure out how to be complete on your own and then you can match that with someone else. The goal is to be with someone who compliments your features, not someone who fills in holes. Someone who challenges you and expands you, not someone who leaves you empty when things aren't working. You need to determine what you wish to be on your own regardless of the people around you.

Additionally, I think family therapy may be worth looking into. Perhaps couples therapy and then maybe sessions with the kids depending on their experiences with the abuse. This may take a while because it can be challenging to find the right therapist. Just feel it out and work with someone you and your husband feel compliments your own instincts and intuition about what you need to address.

You're right, abuse is negative in all its forms. We allow for abuse for various reasons and we in turn abuse others in various forms. It is a powerful learning experience. If you widen your perspective, you may see how some of your own behaviors have abused your husband's trust, heart and mind. The roles are fluid and it is important to understand what attracts us to those experiences so that we can see our patterns, forgive ourselves and find ways to generate better experiences.

I think it is also important to have a plan to address the mood swings. They can cloud our judgment and our perception of our state and abilities. There are lots of ways to do this and only you can decide the right route to take. The goal becomes finding ways to be honest with ourselves or finding people we can trust to offer insight when we cannot see correctly. At least for me, I was unable to properly determine what steps I needed to take to reshape my life until I was in a more balanced place. At that point I was able to better assess myself and develop a strategy to move forward.

It feels as though some perspectives here have felt offensive. I know that's uncomfortable. I do not intend to offend you. Anything that triggered you probably holds a clue to an area worth digging into on your own. Try not to take it too personally. Individuals here are working with a tiny subset of information about your story and are sometimes coming from a place of experience, pain and wisdom from their own lives. Perhaps just try to look at why you were triggered and see how it relates to any feelings you have of fear, judgment, or any of those voids you feel. I wish you all the best.
Wow thank you for your insightful perspective. I feel a void not when I’m alone, but when I’m with him. He is going through a new autism diagnosis and I believe that is the reason why I feel so alone even when he is around. There is no connection. I don’t feel valued or heard or seen. Our life revolves around his obsession with being productive and centered around tasks, something that I struggle with due to my illness. I try to keep up, but I’ll never be what he wants. As a result of my perceived laziness, he gets very angry. He’s angry every day all the time when tasks do not meet his standards. The kids cause him a lot of stress and he gets mad at them more than me and I wish I was strong enough to prevent these outbursts. We have couples counseling tomorrow to discuss possibly a trial separation to get our bearings and to heal. I feel controlled and micromanaged and never good enough. I’m sure the kids feel the same way. I really like your idea of family therapy. Thank you for planting the seed for that.

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If he is known to be abusive and is aggressive, I’d probably remove your picture from the avatar. People find other people on here all the time. You might want to protect yourself
Thank you for your concern. I’m not worried about him finding this site. He’s more controlling and aggressive about being productive in the house and less about a site like this. He wouldn’t have a problem with me reaching out and I have nothing to hide.

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Hi BlueSkyGirl. Welcome to PC. I can tell you're hurting and confused and I know it is difficult to be in such a place. I also know how it feels when you're going through a tough place mentally and emotionally and you also need to be a parent at the same time. That can be overwhelming. I also have experience with abuse. All of that combined is a lot to deal with.

You've mentioned a void several times. I don't really find it important to weigh in on how you've attempted to fill it in the past other than to say the solution turned out to be impermanent each time. If it were me, I'd take a step back and work with these feelings of emptiness for a while.

We are all whole and complete just as we are. Feelings of a state of void are a perception. They come in phases and they are a natural occurrence. Everyone has been there and will periodically be there. It is a necessary part of growth like the winter that gives way to spring. Winter offers a valuable opportunity to rest and let go of the past.

So, I'd spend time with the feelings and determine why there is a fear of being alone. That fear will move with you wherever you go until you address it. If you are able to find happiness in your marriage, it will not come without filling this void for yourself.

Try not to think of it as a dark and scary place. Perhaps consider it as a cocoon that allows you to rest, let go of the pieces of yourself that aren't working and then emerge when you're ready. You need time to figure out how to be complete on your own and then you can match that with someone else. The goal is to be with someone who compliments your features, not someone who fills in holes. Someone who challenges you and expands you, not someone who leaves you empty when things aren't working. You need to determine what you wish to be on your own regardless of the people around you.

Additionally, I think family therapy may be worth looking into. Perhaps couples therapy and then maybe sessions with the kids depending on their experiences with the abuse. This may take a while because it can be challenging to find the right therapist. Just feel it out and work with someone you and your husband feel compliments your own instincts and intuition about what you need to address.

You're right, abuse is negative in all its forms. We allow for abuse for various reasons and we in turn abuse others in various forms. It is a powerful learning experience. If you widen your perspective, you may see how some of your own behaviors have abused your husband's trust, heart and mind. The roles are fluid and it is important to understand what attracts us to those experiences so that we can see our patterns, forgive ourselves and find ways to generate better experiences.

I think it is also important to have a plan to address the mood swings. They can cloud our judgment and our perception of our state and abilities. There are lots of ways to do this and only you can decide the right route to take. The goal becomes finding ways to be honest with ourselves or finding people we can trust to offer insight when we cannot see correctly. At least for me, I was unable to properly determine what steps I needed to take to reshape my life until I was in a more balanced place. At that point I was able to better assess myself and develop a strategy to move forward.

It feels as though some perspectives here have felt offensive. I know that's uncomfortable. I do not intend to offend you. Anything that triggered you probably holds a clue to an area worth digging into on your own. Try not to take it too personally. Individuals here are working with a tiny subset of information about your story and are sometimes coming from a place of experience, pain and wisdom from their own lives. Perhaps just try to look at why you were triggered and see how it relates to any feelings you have of fear, judgment, or any of those voids you feel. I wish you all the best.


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I haven't wrote until now sorry but I've been reading. My husband has never been physically abusive but due to his issues and fears he's been controlling. It took his therapist, My therapist and my pdoc several conversations with him for him to understand he was too controlling and that would either kill me or make me run. When he's not in therapy he goes back to being over controlling and angry. Talk to your husband's doctor on getting on a med for aggravation. We have practice statements that mean "walk away and cool off". There suppose to be non arguable. We come back and apologize if need be (even to our son). Even if that means walking out the door in the middle of an argument and leaving on a walk for a couple of hours. Currently he's resents me for making him start therapy again but it was needed.

As far as not feeling appreciated start a date night. He has 1x a month to figure something out for you guys and you have 1x a month. It doesn't have to be expensive or even out of the house. We were visiting my parents on time and it was his turn for date night and he cooked dinner set up a tv tray to share and a candle and in the middle of dinner my parents came home. Here's two grown people sharing a TV tray 3 feet away from the normal table. It was awkward but after a bunch of questions they left us alone for the rest of our date night.

Also you could think of a bunch of little things (26+) that would make you feel appreciated and he could do the same and put them on have size index cards fold them and put them in a bag then each of you pick one a week to do for the other person and reuse them. It could be anything from watch movie of their choice while snuggling, take a walk and ask only about their day, breakfast in bed to flowers and chocolate.

Without a support team we would have not made it almost 20 years so far. I urge you to get therapy for your children too because growing up is tough and having a trusted adult outside family is priceless. They have helped my son understand our illnesses, identify and cope with his, settled parenting disagreements, and so much more.

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I haven't wrote until now sorry but I've been reading. My husband has never been physically abusive but due to his issues and fears he's been controlling. It took his therapist, My therapist and my pdoc several conversations with him for him to understand he was too controlling and that would either kill me or make me run. When he's not in therapy he goes back to being over controlling and angry. Talk to your husband's doctor on getting on a med for aggravation. We have practice statements that mean "walk away and cool off". There suppose to be non arguable. We come back and apologize if need be (even to our son). Even if that means walking out the door in the middle of an argument and leaving on a walk for a couple of hours. Currently he's resents me for making him start therapy again but it was needed.

As far as not feeling appreciated start a date night. He has 1x a month to figure something out for you guys and you have 1x a month. It doesn't have to be expensive or even out of the house. We were visiting my parents on time and it was his turn for date night and he cooked dinner set up a tv tray to share and a candle and in the middle of dinner my parents came home. Here's two grown people sharing a TV tray 3 feet away from the normal table. It was awkward but after a bunch of questions they left us alone for the rest of our date night.

Also you could think of a bunch of little things (26+) that would make you feel appreciated and he could do the same and put them on have size index cards fold them and put them in a bag then each of you pick one a week to do for the other person and reuse them. It could be anything from watch movie of their choice while snuggling, take a walk and ask only about their day, breakfast in bed to flowers and chocolate.

Without a support team we would have not made it almost 20 years so far. I urge you to get therapy for your children too because growing up is tough and having a trusted adult outside family is priceless. They have helped my son understand our illnesses, identify and cope with his, settled parenting disagreements, and so much more.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, Miguel'smom. You seem to be in a similar disposition and I'm inspired that you've made it 20+ years. I love your idea to have a bag of items that would make us feel appreciated. We could have two bags, one for him and one for me, that way I can honor him too and it takes some stress off of me needed to fulfill his needs ALL THE TIME. I think having an organized system like this for him will take the pressure off of me being 'on' all the time, while still being able to show appreciation for him.

You are another person on here who has suggested counseling for the kids. I do think that is a good idea. When is a good age to start that and with what kind of specialist? How do I ensure I find someone that will meet the needs of our children and family?

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One thing you can do is ask their pediatrician. They often know who in your area might be a good therapist for the kids. Children can start therapy as early as age 3, although it does seem a little early. You can also ask your school counselors. They often know good clinics and they’ll know what age is good to start and they’ll keep your question confidential.
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One thing you can do is ask their pediatrician. They often know who in your area might be a good therapist for the kids. Children can start therapy as early as age 3, although it does seem a little early. You can also ask your school counselors. They often know good clinics and they’ll know what age is good to start and they’ll keep your question confidential.
Thank you for that. A pediatrician does sound like a good place to start.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience, Miguel'smom. You seem to be in a similar disposition and I'm inspired that you've made it 20+ years. I love your idea to have a bag of items that would make us feel appreciated. We could have two bags, one for him and one for me, that way I can honor him too and it takes some stress off of me needed to fulfill his needs ALL THE TIME. I think having an organized system like this for him will take the pressure off of me being 'on' all the time, while still being able to show appreciation for him.

You are another person on here who has suggested counseling for the kids. I do think that is a good idea. When is a good age to start that and with what kind of specialist? How do I ensure I find someone that will meet the needs of our children and family?
As for therapy with children, you may need to call around a bit. Some are family therapists and can do individuals sessions, couples sessions and sessions with children. Some specialize in children's therapy, but only handle a certain range of issues.

If your children are young, many experts recommend working with someone who is a trained play therapist. These therapists use games, stories and other kid friendly activities during sessions as it can be difficult to talk with children directly. You can go to psychologytoday.com and search for play therapists or those who work with children in your area.

As for ensuring you find someone who will meet your needs, it can be a process as with any therapist. It is up to you to change if you find their services are not helpful. My husband and I sought therapy for our young children a while back. We interviewed the therapist, discussed the situation and then asked how she would approach therapy before we allowed her to meet our children. We also met with her and the kids together so that they wouldn't be afraid. Sometimes my husband tagged along. Sometimes it was me. We gave them a range of options to allow them to open up. They had a good experience.

An alternative approach would be to discuss these same issues with a therapist of your choosing and work on parenting strategies that can assist your children during this difficult time. For example, my therapist suggested discussing the trauma my children experienced while we were jumping on the trampoline. She explained the physical movement helps them connect with the memories and process them while they are doing something fun and non-threatening. I'm sure there are many more strategies.

Some people believe therapy can traumatize a child and make them believe something is wrong as opposed to them viewing it as a helpful service. I think that mostly has a lot to do with how it is introduced and how they see you interact with the therapist.

A final option would be to research the types of issues you're experiencing in depth and search for strategies to cope on your own. There is good and bad material out there with any source you review. Trust your instinct and pay attention to how your kids respond.

Most importantly, kids pick up on our energy and a lot of their comfort comes from watching how you deal with difficult circumstances. Offering them extra attention, holding boundaries, and making sure they know it is important and ok to communicate how they are feeling can go a long way. If you can collaborate with your husband on this front that will be tremendously helpful. I think it is wonderful you're willing to consider their needs in this way. Children are often overlooked and I've had many professionals tell me 'don't worry, they are resillient'. They are, but they have needs too and making sure the entire family works together through this will go a long way toward a positive outcome.
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I wish he was younger when we started therapy but he was 8
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My daughter began being frighteningly anxious when she was 3 years old. We put her into play therapy and kept her in therapy while she was growing up. The tools she gained from those years of therapy are ones she still uses (she's 34).


I don't know how it is now, but back then finding a therapist for a child was easy.

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