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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 05:13 PM
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I'm super glad you started this thread!!!! I've been vegetarian for years. I am because I love animals too much to want to kill them and eat them. Plus, it's hard to get meat that is raised humanely, although it is possible to find that. The only "meat" I eat is oysters, and I have not yet justified/unjustified eating oysters. I have learned to eat very well as a vegetarian. For breakfast, I have oatmeal with hemp hearts and 1 tsp of brown sugar, with a little bit of almond milk poured over it. For lunch almost every day I have an Amy's brand frozen bowl. Can you get those where you live? They are delicious and have lost of vegetables in many of them. I also eat canned vegetables with every meal, including breakfast. I have a small supper. Sometimes it's a can of Amy's brand soup, sometimes it's low fat unsweetened yogurt with added hemp hearts and 1 level tablespoon of glucose. I don't have sugar or honey in the house anymore only glucose/dextrose and brown sugar which I keep for my oatmeal. I found out recently from my pdoc that I've put on 15 lbs since 2017 when I started Mirtazapine. I'm going to have surgery on Sept. 30, but after I recover I told my pdoc that I insist on getting off Mirtazapine, and maybe Remeron, too, and find a different med. I told her I made a decision years ago never to take medication that put weight on me. I'm very unhappy to know that I have put on 15 lbs. I thought I had "only" put on 8 lbs recently. I'll read some of the other posts to see if there are any vegetarians on this thread. I'm not at all interested in becoming vegan.
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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 05:16 PM
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Gosh!! There are no vegetarians besides me posting here!! Let's hear it from some people who are vegetarians or vegans????? Please?
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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 05:51 PM
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I'm super glad you started this thread!!!! I've been vegetarian for years. I am because I love animals too much to want to kill them and eat them. Plus, it's hard to get meat that is raised humanely, although it is possible to find that. The only "meat" I eat is oysters, and I have not yet justified/unjustified eating oysters. I have learned to eat very well as a vegetarian. For breakfast, I have oatmeal with hemp hearts and 1 tsp of brown sugar, with a little bit of almond milk poured over it. For lunch almost every day I have an Amy's brand frozen bowl. Can you get those where you live? They are delicious and have lost of vegetables in many of them. I also eat canned vegetables with every meal, including breakfast. I have a small supper. Sometimes it's a can of Amy's brand soup, sometimes it's low fat unsweetened yogurt with added hemp hearts and 1 level tablespoon of glucose. I don't have sugar or honey in the house anymore only glucose/dextrose and brown sugar which I keep for my oatmeal. I found out recently from my pdoc that I've put on 15 lbs since 2017 when I started Mirtazapine. I'm going to have surgery on Sept. 30, but after I recover I told my pdoc that I insist on getting off Mirtazapine, and maybe Remeron, too, and find a different med. I told her I made a decision years ago never to take medication that put weight on me. I'm very unhappy to know that I have put on 15 lbs. I thought I had "only" put on 8 lbs recently. I'll read some of the other posts to see if there are any vegetarians on this thread. I'm not at all interested in becoming vegan.
Thanks!! Will check out Amy's.

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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 06:04 PM
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Thanks for this message. What is artificially grown meat? As I wrote in my first post here, I eat farmed oysters. I have read that farming oysters helps purify the ocean. I wonder if this is true. Does anyone know?



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Re the environment, I think the main thing is for people to eat less meat (and dairy/eggs), but cutting it out entirely is not necessarily required. Hopefully we'll have good artificially grown meat soon, although I believe some people object to that.

I'm of the opinion that if you do eat meat, you shouldn't be squeamish about acknowledging where it came from. Something about honoring the animal I suppose.
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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 06:11 PM
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Hello, Lightly Toasted, you make some very good observations here. I have met vegans and vegetarians who were so aggressively proselytizing that it was very obnoxious.

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I was a hardcore vegan for the animals - eco warrior for 10 years. before hitting burnout. It wasn't just the food, I wore or purchased no leather or wool, and only used cruelty-free toiletries and cosmetics. I was taking my own grocery bags to the store when no one else was - at least not where I lived.

My physical health was fine , however, in hindsight it was all a bit crazy-making.

Back in the day, and this still exists today, there is a lot of pressure on ethical vegans to be good representatives for the cause. This means remaining thin. Although the animals don't really give a toss if you're fat or thin, just that you're not eating them. There remains a lot of fat phobia within the vegan movement also lot of omnivores would just not take a fat vegan or vegetarian seriously So it it was often preached especially by the strictly vegan for health types, that we were doing a disservice to the animals if we allowed ourselves to get fat. Despite having gone vegan for the animals it was pretty easy for this little bipolar person, to get caught up in a lot of disordered eating practices in order to appear the "good vegan" ...not too thin, not too fat. For years I was caught in exercise bullimia and a never ending restrict/ binge cycle.

Going vegan for animals is great, but doing it for "health reasons" or in other words chasing thin and getting sucked into that healthism/diet culture aspect can be dangerous territory for people with mental illness and a history or disordered eating. And many vegans who are in it strictly for the animals can get sucked into this aspect as well.

Same with the eco-warrior approach, this can quickly become a crazy-making, obsessed/religiousity for those of us with mental health issues - it did for me.


TL;DR ... in my experience, folks with mental illness should tread very carefully when restricting what they eat, regardless of the reasons behind it.
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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 06:25 PM
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I forgot to mention that I buy cruelty free products. This entails at least in part, cleaning products that are not tested on animals; Bic WiteOut instead of Liquid Paper (which is tested on animals, or used to be anyway); free-ranging chicken eggs that are organic, and I buy organic as much as I can afford to. I started out buying organic years and years ago -- several decades -- and decided to buy part of my rice, for instance, organic, and the rest not organic because I could not afford to buy 100% organic rice. I figured that the more people who did at least that much, would eventually bring down the price of organic foods. I think organic foods are often very little more expensive than non-organic. And, of course, buying organic is very important to protect our environment.
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Thanks!! Will check out Amy's.
I hope you love Amy's foods as much as I do. They tend to be a little bland, but I like bland. Some of them, I add soy sauce to.
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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 09:16 PM
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Not vegan or vegetarian but trying to make changes to my diet to be healthier, and also have been looking into foods that are good for the brain, mood, anxiety, etc

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Default Sep 20, 2020 at 09:39 PM
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Best vegetarian cook book ever; moosewood cookbook. I don’t know what changes they’ve made to it but I know there’s a 40th edition. I have the first. Great book. Sad thing is that it’s in the basement in one of about 100 boxes along with my soup pot and pedestal. My wok and bamboo steaming pots are hidden there too.

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Default Sep 21, 2020 at 06:38 AM
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Thanks for this message. What is artificially grown meat? As I wrote in my first post here, I eat farmed oysters. I have read that farming oysters helps purify the ocean. I wonder if this is true. Does anyone know?
It's meat that isn't taken from a slaughtered animal but rather produced by culturing "meat" cells (real animal cells). It's real meat, it just wasn't grown inside an animal so there's no suffering involved. Some people don't like the idea of eating something that "came from a lab" but I would think this is a good development. We can stop animal cruelty without force-feeding everyone a vegan diet against their will. It's also much easier on the ozone layer than animal-grown meat.

Unrelated: The China Study, I'm not a fan of it, though I'm sure it contains some nuggets of wisdom. My wife is very enthusiastic about it, but to me it's just too black and white. Real life doesn't work that way. The book comes across as a religious text the way it demonizes anything non-vegan. It makes me question the objectivity of the authors, and indeed the book does quote selectively from the literature. I'm sure (occasionally) eating vegan can be healthy, and I'm sure you shouldn't eat a pound of bacon every day, but I don't believe eating meat or dairy now and then will poison you. I prefer a balanced discussion instead of a holy text. Unfortunately balanced discussions are hard to find when it comes to diet.
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At least, I haven't bought meat in about 8 years. I don't trust the stuff you buy in the store, but I trusted my ex and his family. I'll probably try vegetarianism since I haven't had meat other than fish in a month anyways.
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Default Sep 21, 2020 at 08:56 AM
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Hello, FluffyDinosaur, thanks for letting me/us know what artificial meat is. That's very interesting indeed.
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Default Sep 25, 2020 at 02:43 PM
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Yup — getting the cravings, I guess. A lot of people say the same. I guess it's the taste of what's familiar to you and what you've grown up on.

My spouse mentions his Dad's steaks and Grandmother's pies and starts drooling at the thought of a juicy pork slider so once he's in that mood, there's rarely any turning back for him.

Eat what works for you and for your body. Moderation is key, of course. Organic and free range meat would be something I'd advise most people who are on a mostly plant-based (not vegan diet) to equate for the loss of nutrients and hormone-filled industrial meat.
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Default Sep 25, 2020 at 03:36 PM
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Thanks, cygne. Good response. I have been a vegetarian for so many years now that I don't get cravings for meat. But I do get cravings for sweets/sugary stuff, but that's diminishing. After I recovery from my next week's surgery, I will insist that my pdoc change two of my medicines that make me crave sugar and put on weight. I have put on 15 lbs since 2017 when I started one of those medications. I'm a bit ticked off at my doctor for putting me on a medication (really there are two of them) that put weight on me. She knows I want to stay thin. Lately she hasn't been very helpful. She says, "there are always tradeoffs." I would rather have an occasional depression and not put on weight.
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MsMystery,

Paleo recipes and most healthy recipes you can find on MinimalistBaker are sugar-free (if you're interested in trying them out). Most sugar-free stuff on the market is made with artificial sweeteners, but some delish vegan treats call for medjool dates, bananas, or almond/coconut milk. I keep a batch of cheese'cake'cupcakes in the freezer at all times for when I get a sweet tooth, here's the recipe — hope you haven't got any nut allergies, though. Ugh.

Easy Vegan Cheesecake | Minimalist Baker Recipes

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Default Sep 25, 2020 at 04:36 PM
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Hi cygne, thanks for these recipes! I will try them out when I am in recovery from my surgery in a few weeks.

I have a recipe for vegan tapioca pudding. I make it in the microwave. Here's the recipe:

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3 tablespoons minute tapioca, dry
2-3/4 cups tepid soy or almond milk, non-fat
1 tbsp white sugar or dextrose;/sucrose (I use dextrose/sucrose)
2 tablespoons cornstarch
2 tablespoons water
1-2 teaspoon pure vanilla extract

I don't let the tapioca/milk mixture set for 5 minutes. I start it cooking in the microwave right away.

• Combine tapioca, TEPID milk & sugar in the largest glass microwave bowl and let sit for 5 minutes.
• Combine cornstarch & water in a small bowl. Set aside.
• Cook pudding mixture 6 minutes in microwave; stir with slotted spoon
• Continue to cook/stir for 2 minutes at a time until thickened. Check/lick on spoon while the mixture cooks to see how thick it gets.
• Gradually add/stir cornstarch mixture and continue boiling for 1 minute; stir; cook 1 more minute; stir.
• Remove from heat and add vanilla.
• Stir & allow to cool.
• Makes 6 1/2 cup servings.
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I have been a vegan for 3 years.And i try to buy cruelty free products.Also i try to live zero waste and plastic free.maybe i am not good at this.idk last year i bought a menstrual cup (maybe it can't be comfortable for everyone) i wanna buy reusable pads too.i am planning to buy solid shampoo .i love nature and animals.i am two cats mom .
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I have been a vegan for 3 years.And i try to buy cruelty free products.Also i try to live zero waste and plastic free.maybe i am not good at this.idk last year i bought a menstrual cup (maybe it can't be comfortable for everyone) i wanna buy reusable pads too.i am planning to buy solid shampoo .i love nature and animals.i am two cats mom .
Back when I was still having periods- before the Mirena IUD- I also used cloth pads or a menstrual cup.

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I am a veggie. I had cholesterol issues and did not want to go on meds for it. So, many years ago I went veggie. Cholesterol is perfect now.
I cannot eat meat. It makes me feel like I am going to throw up.
But, this is a choice that is best for me, it does not mean that it is the best choice.

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