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I tend to read articles about psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism because I feel represented by them, there are lots of similarities in the symptoms of these that I could relate to myself, and when you feel connected or related with something you want to read it. It's like people who do personality tests for fun or to discover themselves, you know it's kinda pointless spending time doing it, but you have fun and while doing it, you discover more of yourself.

However, I never read articles such as "am I dating a psychopath/sociopath/narcissist?" or articles that make psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists look like real demons. No, they're not evils. Psychopaths didn't choose to be like this. Sociopaths grew up and became the monster society wanted them to be. Narcissists feel they're gods for some reason. Sometimes empathetic people are less empathetic than non-empathetic people. The main reason it's a topic so writen about is because they cause problems in peoples' lives, be it through manipulation or by becoming serial killers, when you think of a cruel, who's also a serial killer and has blood in his/her hands, you immediately think of a psycho or sociopath. When someone abuses of you, he's immediately a psychopath, sociopath or a narcissist - but has anyone ever talked or been interested in knowing the reasons why they actually are like this? No, we're only preocuppied in throwing stereotypes, labels and ruining that persons' reputation for no reason. If you've got suspicions that the person you're dating could be a psycho, sociopath or narcissist, go to therapy, don't read an article and pretend (s)he's any of these, because s(he) could simply be a manipulative person, or a jerk, or whatever.
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However, I never read articles such as "am I dating a psychopath/sociopath/narcissist?" or articles that make psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists look like real demons. No, they're not evils. Psychopaths didn't choose to be like this. Sociopaths grew up and became the monster society wanted them to be. Narcissists feel they're gods for some reason. Sometimes empathetic people are less empathetic than non-empathetic people.
Hear hear!

And in the meanwhile, prisons are filled with people with ADHD, but there is no demonizing them. Makes you wonder.

I understand why you don't want to read all the Poor me I'm dating a psychopath stuff...

Normal selfishness causes more issues than psychopathy, primal psychopathy is a neurological thing just like aspergers and ADHD. But it is made out like they all do bad things all the time (not true), also secondary psychopaths (sociopaths), suffer from mental discomfort and anxiety and have huge drug related deaths and suicide rates.

But heh, you know, they CHOSE to be like that so... just leavem and let them rot.
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It's strange really, when other groups hurt others, bipolars on manic highs, borderline people, autistic kids, we always find excuse for them. Everyone with MI hurts others, one way or the other.

They would call it slander if there was one article every time in the newsletter how to get rid of your useless borderline partner...

Anyone getting my point YET?
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I think that when it comes to narcissists, it's not just a one size fits all. I think that someone can suffer significant narcissistic injuries and develop unhealthy ways of self protecting a very deep hurt. However, there are those who are narcissists because of how their parents raised them to have some sense of superiority over others as well as be grandiose.

That being said jimi, the articles can serve to show someone what abuse can be, some people can get trapped in a very dysfunctional relationship and think it's their fault when in reality they are in a relationship with someone who can be emotionally neglectful and abusive and may isolate them for control.
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I think that when it comes to narcissists, it's not just a one size fits all. I think that someone can suffer significant narcissistic injuries and develop unhealthy ways of self protecting a very deep hurt. However, there are those who are narcissists because of how their parents raised them to have some sense of superiority over others as well as be grandiose.

That being said jimi, the articles can serve to show someone what abuse can be, some people can get trapped in a very dysfunctional relationship and think it's their fault when in reality they are in a relationship with someone who can be emotionally neglectful and abusive and may isolate them for control.
I spoke up in another community to remind that abusive behaviors are not only because of narcissism. It is is beyond frustrating to see such social broad brushstroking of the narcissist label. It can cause harm if that becomes a singled out disorder for anyone trying to understand abuse.
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It's strange really, when other groups hurt others, bipolars on manic highs, borderline people, autistic kids, we always find excuse for them. Everyone with MI hurts others, one way or the other.

They would call it slander if there was one article every time in the newsletter how to get rid of your useless borderline partner...

Anyone getting my point YET?
Hello Jimi,

I read your posts here on the thread. You sound very upset. I am sorry that you are struggling. I am a bit confused about something as someone who has cared for folks living on the autism spectrum...why are you conflating sociopathy, psychopathy, narcissistic personality disorder, and Asperger's?

Each one of those problems is different from the next though it could be argued that the first three I listed share some traits. However, I don't see a correlation between the first three I listed and Asperger's. Did I misunderstand you? NPD is very different from Asperger's. Having difficulty developing a theory of mind or struggling with what Hallahan labeled as "the hidden curriculum" or the "invisible curriculum" is not the same as NPD. The folks I have met living on the spectrum had their own troubles (as we all do) but they did not present similarly to folks living with NPD. Was someone trying to convince you otherwise? Did I miss a piece?

With regard to articles, I recommend finding a source you respect and appreciate. Continue to tune into that one. There are all sorts of unhealthy and unhelpful messages on the internet. I believe that one of our tasks in modern life is to develop strong filters and sift through the useful and nonsensical. For example, I am an immigrant. Within thirty seconds online, I could find all sorts of horrible comments or assumptions about immigrants. There's no value for me in reading other people's xenophobic biases so I don't. In the non-PC world, when I encounter people who despise immigrants I make it a point to spend as little time with them as possible. That's just one example. I imagine you'd want to do the same when you encounter people who lack empathy for those living on the spectrum.

I hope this helps. If you are feeling targeted or alienated by someone, I hope you have a good support system. Are you open to talking with a therapist? I have found therapy valuable at several points in my life.

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I find that it is not easy to find the differences between psychopathic and sociopathic traits on online articles or even documentaries. Apart from the fact that sociopaths are now labelled as having anti-social personality disorders.( Is that correct? ) I do not know how to distinguish clearly between the two labels. I guess the best sources would be real academic text books which are always expensive even second hand.
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While I don't know any primary psychopath I know a few with ASPD, and they are not all mosters. I understand that people need to heal from antisocial people of all kinds, but it's almost from their point of view. And those I know are not all bad, there are grades.

Some people are sort of preprogrammed to turn trauma inwards, but some turn it outwards. They might become people who destroy things, steal, like excitement, use drugs and very often feel quite bad. I do feel bad when they are basically carried out with the trash.

I do understand the needs for articles from antisocial people, but I rarely see anything from the other side. Or any other viewpoint so much.

You've probably overheard strangers sometimes people saying "Oh she's nuts and dangerous, shes bipolar!" or similar. We're all on a spectrum. Some diagnoses are not ALL harmless to others and some are not ALL harmful. But there is a divide that exists more in people's heads than in reality.

I live with a cusp diagnosis, some say aspies are OK, some say were horrible and likely to commit crime. Even if it should be true, it's not particularly helpful to be slammed by it.

I can't say I really care, but I know others do. See someone all bad and they will turn out that way.
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Having difficulty developing a theory of mind or struggling with what Hallahan labeled as "the hidden curriculum" or the "invisible curriculum" is not the same as NPD. The folks I have met living on the spectrum had their own troubles (as we all do) but they did not present similarly to folks living with NPD.

With regard to articles, I recommend finding a source you respect and appreciate. Continue to tune into that one. There are all sorts of unhealthy and unhelpful messages on the internet. I believe that one of our tasks in modern life is to develop strong filters and sift through the useful and nonsensical.
I'm sorry you only met aspies with no theory of mind. Most I meet do have this.

I think we need both read things we like but not totally fall into the trap of confirmation bias. We actually do need to read other things, we will be more prepared then meeting them in real life. You need to know both your friends and enemies.

Also I think people who have been victimized need more than a 2 minute article. Everything should go so fast these days. Like read ten steps and you will not be depressed anymore. Um, really?

I'm an article writer myself, for a site located in my country. Right now I'm doing one called "Sleep is not a habit". I should work on that instead of whining here.

But I know most of us have a day or so when we just had too much.
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