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Originally Posted by -jimi-

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Some people are sort of preprogrammed to turn trauma inwards, but some turn it outwards. They might become people who destroy things, steal, like excitement, use drugs and very often feel quite bad. I do feel bad when they are basically carried out with the trash.

I do understand the needs for articles from antisocial people, but I rarely see anything from the other side. Or any other viewpoint so much.
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Thank you for continuing to post on this topic. Just for reference, I'm one who tended to turn trauma inwards -- and acted out on myself in sometimes emotionally vicious ways. But, occasionally, I directed it outward, too, and then generally did feel quite bad.

It's understandable that people, including therapists, would want to avoid getting hurt by people who have a tendency to hurt. But the extremely one-sided picture that is so frequently painted has long reminded me of the saying "one finger pointing out, three fingers pointed back".

I think there may be narcissistic and antisocial tendencies in all or most of us. Those impulses are frequently viewed as dangerous and unwanted in civilized society, and totally unacceptable -- especially to people in the helping or caring professions. But if we have those impulses, as people, cutting them off inside ourselves and/or judging and pointing fingers at others doesn't seem to me like it's a society I want to live in either. Some kind of middle or nuanced way seems better, to me. But, that's just me, of course.

Originally Posted by -jimi-

I'm sorry you only met aspies with no theory of mind. Most I meet do have this.

I think we need both read things we like but not totally fall into the trap of confirmation bias. We actually do need to read other things, we will be more prepared then meeting them in real life. You need to know both your friends and enemies.

Also I think people who have been victimized need more than a 2 minute article. Everything should go so fast these days. Like read ten steps and you will not be depressed anymore. Um, really?

I'm an article writer myself, for a site located in my country. Right now I'm doing one called "Sleep is not a habit". I should work on that instead of whining here.

But I know most of us have a day or so when we just had too much.

I was not suggesting that people with ASD can never develop a theory of mind. I mentioned it as a hallmark of the disorder. Little people living on the spectrum do not typically develop a theory of mind in the way that other children do because of the disorder itself....difficulty reading social and non-verbal cues etc. That does not mean that people with ASD are psychopathic. Not at all. Having a cognitive difficulty with understanding other people's perspectives is very different from manipulating others or intentionally causing harm to others in order to gain some sort of advantage...which often occurs with psychopathy.

I have never met someone living with ASD who I did not find to be a wonderful human being. That is why I am so confused by why you are likening folks with ASD (including yourself?) to psychopaths.

[-jimi-]

Originally Posted by HopefullyLost1211

I was not suggesting that people with ASD can never develop a theory of mind. I mentioned it as a hallmark of the disorder. Little people living on the spectrum do not typically develop a theory of mind in the way that other children do because of the disorder itself....difficulty reading social and non-verbal cues etc. That does not mean that people with ASD are narcissistic or psychopathic. Not at all. Having a cognitive difficulty with understanding other people's perspectives is very different from manipulating others or intentionally causing harm to others in order to gain some sort of advantage...which often occurs with psychopathy.

I don't compare symptoms, I compare other people's attitudes. I never said aspergers is like narcissism.

But also you make me realize something that is not here yet where I live, but is coming, and I assume exists where you live.

You tell me how ASD is. And you seem to think mostly of kids and mostly of low functioning.

They didn't do us a favor when they started to call aspergers autism, instead of it just being a subgroup to all autism. It's really confusing to hear as a high functioning aspie what I'm not supposed to be able to do. I have friends, good friends, I have a place i society, I live on my own, and I have an university diploma.

Then it is a little weird to hear my group as well should be based on having no Theory of Mind. I can still be an aspie and understand people have a different inner life than me with different thought processes, personalities and experiences. I don't treat all my friends the exact same, because stuff in their heads are different from each others, so they need different treatment.

Unfortunately I think I will be the autistic person you do not like. If that is the case, and that I can't be innocent and cute, that is alright. I didn't start this thread thinking I'd get many agreeing with me.

Thread closed at OP request.