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What's the deal really? Many of them aren't even accurate, it is just someone rambling. No one ever brings up why these conditions happen. Or even that the person with them actually is a human being.

They should be shunned in a Biblical way, I wonder why stoned isn't and option.

If people really wanna read THAT much about narcissism and psychopathy, there is something wrong with them, the same type of people who stop and watch at car wrecks.

It's not an healthy approach this massive hate campaign, that doesn't even explain a thing.

Once upon a time, we had ASPD people who kept chat active and fun. I guess they weren't welcome anymore because their diagnosis = being subhuman.

Many things can be misunderstood as NPD, and those 2 minute read educated people might go do some really bad choices in their lives because they decided on an article that someone with totally different issues have NPD.

Don't tell me just not to read the articles. They represent what PC is.

Why not write about conditions people in here are struggling with? Maybe because if it was done in such a sloppy way, people would get offended...

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We have over 80,000 articles on Psych Central and publish, on average, about 10 articles per day. I can assure you that most of those articles published on a daily basis are NOT about narcissism or psychopathy.

Currently on the homepage under "Just Published" and the "News" sections, I don't see a single article about narcissism or psychopathy. I do see 2 such articles in the "Trending Now" section -- what people are reading most on the site. (I can't control what people like to read.)

We do have some blogs dedicated to the first topic, and so it may skew the view of how often we publish articles on these topics vs everything else.

I'm sorry you feel we publish a lot of articles on these topics. We do our best to try and publish on a wide range of topics, but yes, I guess some topics do get more attention than others. Social media helps drive some of this, since it sort of rewards narcissistic behaviors.

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If people really wanna read THAT much about narcissism and psychopathy, there is something wrong with them, the same type of people who stop and watch at car wrecks.
That isn't true. I like to read articles about a variety of mental illnesses and personality disorders because I am interested- not for the sensational part of things but to understand because you are right, people forget that people with these disorders are human beings with feelings. Another thing that bothers me is how people are so quick to use the label "narcissist". It seems like people who have toxic relationships, especially with a parent want to attribute it to something that they may not understand- beyond reading a checklist on webmd.
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Don't tell me just not to read the articles. They represent what PC is.
By PC do you mean Psyche central or politically incorrect? I read about all sorts of medications; how they work, what areas of the brain they targer, side effects. I find it very interesting, and because of that I end up reading a lot about the disorders they treat. I do not read the fluff articles in stupid magazines. I read peer-reviewed article and studies.

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Many things can be misunderstood as NPD, and those 2 minute read educated people might go do some really bad choices in their lives because they decided on an article that someone with totally different issues have NPD.
Yes, people and situations are more complicated than this. I feel this way about the entire DSM. However, when we are confused about our feelings/having a relationship crisis--we have to start somewhere in order to understand what happened. I am especially uncomfortable with the whole concept I see in some articles--that people with narcissistic traits are not capable of change.

I went through a period of time where I was paranoid about my husband. The paranoia drove me to read a lot of articles about narcissism. Though I acknowledge that people can be abused by a person acting narcisstically, when I was reading a lot of the articles about narcissism, I was a bit off the deep end struggling and this is a forum with people struggling (from both others and by our own actions). The good thing that came from all that reading is that I recognize better when I am being gaslighted. We know intuitively when we are--we just have to have the confidence to trust our gut and stand up for ourself.

Hope I didn't butt in inappropriately....
 
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Another thing that bothers me is how people are so quick to use the label "narcissist".
Absolutely.

And to Doc John, do you read the newsletter? Every time there is something about narcissism and psychopathy, and always from the view of others, never from the view of the sufferer.

It IS sensationalism that is going on here.

If the articles the newsletters link to would be the slightest correct, there would at least be a point keeping them.

Also I do have a huge problem with the same thing in the newsletter talking about on how to recognize "toxic" people. It could be a copy-paste because the new articles aren't that different from the old one. Toxic is so overused, and basically we're supposed to stop being with anyone that is "toxic" = rubbed us the wrong way more than once...

In reality people with mental illness are often "toxic" and should be shunned by the same logic... But the authors never really think about that, do they?

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jimi, I think we are seeing more about narcissism all over the place because for one thing, it's thought by even many professionals that the POTUS is that way. Trump certainly demonstrates the characteristics.

That said, a second reason is more people are becoming that way because of child rearing practices.

I am particularly interested in it because my mother had narcissistic personality disorder. More of us are being affected by people with this problem. And we need to know what to expect and how to respond.

I am wondering why the increase in the number of such articles leads you to disparage those of us who appreciate this topic. I appreciate all the articles I can get. I know they don't appeal to everybody, however.

I agree that there is the danger of people mislabeling others with a disorder because they read about it, though. I even warned my students about that when I taught Abnormal Psych. Is someone trying to label you? (You don't need to answer this question, of course.) I am just concerned that your life is being made miserable in some way.

Many places go through trends in topics. Case in point: television. I first remember the Western theme in it with shows such as "Gunsmoke" and "The Big Valley." Now it seems to be into murder, DNA, and even psychopathy. Perhaps this topic will wane at some point too.

As well as the topic of narcissism...

Hope I helped some here.

On more comment: I don't think a true narcissist or psychopath "suffers" from it. In fact, they would see it as something good or okay. Am I wrong about that, fellow readers? As far as toxic people, I don't think that means someone who rubs us the wrong way one time. I hope people don't see all of us with mental disorders as "toxic," although some of our actions and words might be annoying or off-putting.

That's all I have to say. I'm not going to respond to this thread any more. Jimi, you have brought up an interesting topic. Thanks.

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That said, a second reason is more people are becoming that way because of child rearing practices.

I agree that there is the danger of people mislabeling others with a disorder because they read about it, though. I even warned my students about that when I taught Abnormal Psych. Is someone trying to label you? (You don't need to answer this question, of course.) I am just concerned that your life is being made miserable in some way.

On more comment: I don't think a true narcissist or psychopath "suffers" from it.
So PC should be a place where children of narcissists gang up? I mean it will happen. It's no longer a welcoming place for people WITH ASPD as it once was.

Why even have a section for members with ASPD when they will find no support here? Just the opposite. It's not nice to lure them in.

Of course they suffer. Not like others but most people cannot fathom a world outside their own head, YET they pride themselves in THEM who have EMPATHY. Jeez. We know psychopaths are not easily aroused. So they can never be happy about the small things in life. Between kicks, they live in boredom, that is actually quite painful. Try filling your brain with old type neuroleptics that wiped out almost all dopamine. Those people suffered a lot from never being able to feel. Narcissists suffer if they are in situations where their personalities are not at all appreciated. There are such things as narcissist crashes.

No, I'm not mislabeled. But it is enough there is a member here who has like 50+ posts about how horrid us aspies are.

Same difference really.

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I've clicked on about 10 of those articles over the years. Maybe it would help to realize that some of the authors express strong traits of NPD and are projecting their mental contents on others.

Other times what they are describing are borderline behaviors, while the author is the one who seems to have NPD traits.

I sometimes find it interesting that they don't recognize those traits within themselves, but you can't take any of those articles seriously. They are more like tabloid articles.
 
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but you can't take any of those articles seriously. They are more like tabloid articles.
Makes me feel dirty.

Luckily I have my non psychopathic ASPD clan elsewhere on line. So at least I'm getting some other side of the story.

And yea, people who feel obliged to enlighten us mortals with their deep 2 min read insights, could just be narcs themselves. Most likely.

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We have over 80,000 articles on Psych Central and publish, on average, about 10 articles per day. I can assure you that most of those articles published on a daily basis are NOT about narcissism or psychopathy.

Currently on the homepage under "Just Published" and the "News" sections, I don't see a single article about narcissism or psychopathy. I do see 2 such articles in the "Trending Now" section -- what people are reading most on the site. (I can't control what people like to read.)

We do have some blogs dedicated to the first topic, and so it may skew the view of how often we publish articles on these topics vs everything else.

I'm sorry you feel we publish a lot of articles on these topics. We do our best to try and publish on a wide range of topics, but yes, I guess some topics do get more attention than others. Social media helps drive some of this, since it sort of rewards narcissistic behaviors.
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I tend to read articles about psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism because I feel represented by them, there are lots of similarities in the symptoms of these that I could relate to myself, and when you feel connected or related with something you want to read it. It's like people who do personality tests for fun or to discover themselves, you know it's kinda pointless spending time doing it, but you have fun and while doing it, you discover more of yourself.

However, I never read articles such as "am I dating a psychopath/sociopath/narcissist?" or articles that make psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists look like real demons. No, they're not evils. Psychopaths didn't choose to be like this. Sociopaths grew up and became the monster society wanted them to be. Narcissists feel they're gods for some reason. Sometimes empathetic people are less empathetic than non-empathetic people. The main reason it's a topic so writen about is because they cause problems in peoples' lives, be it through manipulation or by becoming serial killers, when you think of a cruel, who's also a serial killer and has blood in his/her hands, you immediately think of a psycho or sociopath. When someone abuses of you, he's immediately a psychopath, sociopath or a narcissist - but has anyone ever talked or been interested in knowing the reasons why they actually are like this? No, we're only preocuppied in throwing stereotypes, labels and ruining that persons' reputation for no reason. If you've got suspicions that the person you're dating could be a psycho, sociopath or narcissist, go to therapy, don't read an article and pretend (s)he's any of these, because s(he) could simply be a manipulative person, or a jerk, or whatever.
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However, I never read articles such as "am I dating a psychopath/sociopath/narcissist?" or articles that make psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists look like real demons. No, they're not evils. Psychopaths didn't choose to be like this. Sociopaths grew up and became the monster society wanted them to be. Narcissists feel they're gods for some reason. Sometimes empathetic people are less empathetic than non-empathetic people.
Hear hear!

And in the meanwhile, prisons are filled with people with ADHD, but there is no demonizing them. Makes you wonder.

I understand why you don't want to read all the Poor me I'm dating a psychopath stuff...

Normal selfishness causes more issues than psychopathy, primal psychopathy is a neurological thing just like aspergers and ADHD. But it is made out like they all do bad things all the time (not true), also secondary psychopaths (sociopaths), suffer from mental discomfort and anxiety and have huge drug related deaths and suicide rates.

But heh, you know, they CHOSE to be like that so... just leavem and let them rot.

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It's strange really, when other groups hurt others, bipolars on manic highs, borderline people, autistic kids, we always find excuse for them. Everyone with MI hurts others, one way or the other.

They would call it slander if there was one article every time in the newsletter how to get rid of your useless borderline partner...

Anyone getting my point YET?

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I think that when it comes to narcissists, it's not just a one size fits all. I think that someone can suffer significant narcissistic injuries and develop unhealthy ways of self protecting a very deep hurt. However, there are those who are narcissists because of how their parents raised them to have some sense of superiority over others as well as be grandiose.

That being said jimi, the articles can serve to show someone what abuse can be, some people can get trapped in a very dysfunctional relationship and think it's their fault when in reality they are in a relationship with someone who can be emotionally neglectful and abusive and may isolate them for control.
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I want to understand what upset you. Do you think someone has treated you unfairly?

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I think that when it comes to narcissists, it's not just a one size fits all. I think that someone can suffer significant narcissistic injuries and develop unhealthy ways of self protecting a very deep hurt. However, there are those who are narcissists because of how their parents raised them to have some sense of superiority over others as well as be grandiose.

That being said jimi, the articles can serve to show someone what abuse can be, some people can get trapped in a very dysfunctional relationship and think it's their fault when in reality they are in a relationship with someone who can be emotionally neglectful and abusive and may isolate them for control.
I spoke up in another community to remind that abusive behaviors are not only because of narcissism. It is is beyond frustrating to see such social broad brushstroking of the narcissist label. It can cause harm if that becomes a singled out disorder for anyone trying to understand abuse.
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It's strange really, when other groups hurt others, bipolars on manic highs, borderline people, autistic kids, we always find excuse for them. Everyone with MI hurts others, one way or the other.

They would call it slander if there was one article every time in the newsletter how to get rid of your useless borderline partner...

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Hello Jimi,

I read your posts here on the thread. You sound very upset. I am sorry that you are struggling. I am a bit confused about something as someone who has cared for folks living on the autism spectrum...why are you conflating sociopathy, psychopathy, narcissistic personality disorder, and Asperger's?

Each one of those problems is different from the next though it could be argued that the first three I listed share some traits. However, I don't see a correlation between the first three I listed and Asperger's. Did I misunderstand you? NPD is very different from Asperger's. Having difficulty developing a theory of mind or struggling with what Hallahan labeled as "the hidden curriculum" or the "invisible curriculum" is not the same as NPD. The folks I have met living on the spectrum had their own troubles (as we all do) but they did not present similarly to folks living with NPD. Was someone trying to convince you otherwise? Did I miss a piece?

With regard to articles, I recommend finding a source you respect and appreciate. Continue to tune into that one. There are all sorts of unhealthy and unhelpful messages on the internet. I believe that one of our tasks in modern life is to develop strong filters and sift through the useful and nonsensical. For example, I am an immigrant. Within thirty seconds online, I could find all sorts of horrible comments or assumptions about immigrants. There's no value for me in reading other people's xenophobic biases so I don't. In the non-PC world, when I encounter people who despise immigrants I make it a point to spend as little time with them as possible. That's just one example. I imagine you'd want to do the same when you encounter people who lack empathy for those living on the spectrum.

I hope this helps. If you are feeling targeted or alienated by someone, I hope you have a good support system. Are you open to talking with a therapist? I have found therapy valuable at several points in my life.

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I find that it is not easy to find the differences between psychopathic and sociopathic traits on online articles or even documentaries. Apart from the fact that sociopaths are now labelled as having anti-social personality disorders.( Is that correct? ) I do not know how to distinguish clearly between the two labels. I guess the best sources would be real academic text books which are always expensive even second hand.
 
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While I don't know any primary psychopath I know a few with ASPD, and they are not all mosters. I understand that people need to heal from antisocial people of all kinds, but it's almost from their point of view. And those I know are not all bad, there are grades.

Some people are sort of preprogrammed to turn trauma inwards, but some turn it outwards. They might become people who destroy things, steal, like excitement, use drugs and very often feel quite bad. I do feel bad when they are basically carried out with the trash.

I do understand the needs for articles from antisocial people, but I rarely see anything from the other side. Or any other viewpoint so much.

You've probably overheard strangers sometimes people saying "Oh she's nuts and dangerous, shes bipolar!" or similar. We're all on a spectrum. Some diagnoses are not ALL harmless to others and some are not ALL harmful. But there is a divide that exists more in people's heads than in reality.

I live with a cusp diagnosis, some say aspies are OK, some say were horrible and likely to commit crime. Even if it should be true, it's not particularly helpful to be slammed by it.

I can't say I really care, but I know others do. See someone all bad and they will turn out that way.

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Having difficulty developing a theory of mind or struggling with what Hallahan labeled as "the hidden curriculum" or the "invisible curriculum" is not the same as NPD. The folks I have met living on the spectrum had their own troubles (as we all do) but they did not present similarly to folks living with NPD.

With regard to articles, I recommend finding a source you respect and appreciate. Continue to tune into that one. There are all sorts of unhealthy and unhelpful messages on the internet. I believe that one of our tasks in modern life is to develop strong filters and sift through the useful and nonsensical.
I'm sorry you only met aspies with no theory of mind. Most I meet do have this.

I think we need both read things we like but not totally fall into the trap of confirmation bias. We actually do need to read other things, we will be more prepared then meeting them in real life. You need to know both your friends and enemies.

Also I think people who have been victimized need more than a 2 minute article. Everything should go so fast these days. Like read ten steps and you will not be depressed anymore. Um, really?

I'm an article writer myself, for a site located in my country. Right now I'm doing one called "Sleep is not a habit". I should work on that instead of whining here.

But I know most of us have a day or so when we just had too much.

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