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Hi folks,

PC is the only form of social media I have ever used. I hear a lot of talk in the world about "trolling" and "internet trolls." I did some basic reading on the topic and would like to learn more.

How do you define trolling? What would be some examples of internet trolling?

Are there strategies to prevent trolling?

How should a person respond if they feel they are being trolled?

My mother told me a story about a young boy being trolled by someone in another country, a grown man pretending to be an adolescent, who tormented the poor boy so much that he ended his life. It's obviously a very sad topic but seems to be pertinent to mental health.

Would following a member around on PC....each time they create a new thread, creating duplicate threads in order to post public comments about being on their Ignore list and "not allowed" to respond to the threads...would that count as trolling?

Have you ever been trolled and would like to share your truth?

Have you ever educated children or adolescents about trolling and ways to deal with it? What did you advise? My young niece struggles with social media/posts from the girls at school. I'm not exactly sure what to tell her at times beyond just keeping her distance...but then she argues that she feels excluded if she doesn't use social media.

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Hi folks,

PC is the only form of social media I have ever used. I hear a lot of talk in the world about "trolling" and "internet trolls." I did some basic reading on the topic and would like to learn more.

How do you define trolling? What would be some examples of internet trolling?

Are there strategies to prevent trolling?

How should a person respond if they feel they are being trolled?

My mother told me a story about a young boy being trolled by someone in another country, a grown man pretending to be an adolescent, who tormented the poor boy so much that he ended his life. It's obviously a very sad topic but seems to be pertinent to mental health.

Would following a member around on PC....each time they create a new thread, creating duplicate threads in order to post passive-aggressive public comments about being on their Ignore list and "not allowed" to respond to the threads...would that count as trolling?

Have you ever been trolled and would like to share your truth?

Have you ever educated children or adolescents about trolling and ways to deal with it? What did you advise?
there are many definitions of trolling. each location, culture and what have you have their own definitions...

here where I am trolling is purposely following someone on a website and posting to their posts things that purposely set out to anger and irritate them, contradicting them, attempting to start fights with them, just because their views are not the same as your own. this can also include trying to pull others into this negative behavior ie innocent bystanders seeing the troller going after a member and then trying to help ends up splitting the boards members into having to choose sides for the troller or for the one being attacked.

here on psych central this kind of thing is not allowed. in short everyone posts from their own points of view and if you dont agree you move on, or place the person on ignore list and report the offending post.

its ok to disagree but its not ok to constantly go after each other and each others posts.

I think of trolling the same as stalking.

if you find that members here are stalking and trolling your posts (constantly going after your posts in negative ways, picking fights with you, .... instead of accepting your views may be different then their own...) you can report them and their offending posts by way of a report button (report button is usually a red triangle to the left of the post What exactly is "trolling?" where you find the info on who wrote the post) the moderators will take it from there and deal with the situation privately.

and you can place that member on your ignore list by clicking on their name, which brings them to their profile, then click on the words "user lists" then select the one that says add to ignore list.

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I don’t know if you would classify this as trolling or not but there is a member who has replied to threads in the different forums I post in immediately after I post with a yawn emoticon. There are other things that have occurred as well with this member. I now have them on my ignore list but I expect that to escalate the behavior. It is quite unpleasant.

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Hi folks,

Would following a member around on PC....each time they create a new thread, creating duplicate threads in order to post public comments about being on their Ignore list and "not allowed" to respond to the threads...would that count as trolling?
I don't know if that counts as trolling or just being obsessive and harassing. I say that because trolls are doing it for fun. I have had the above example happen to me, and I've seen it happen to others. I think it's often someone who is lacking some self control, has an interaction that is bad, and then sort of obsesses, even possibly thinks they are protecting themselves. However, that behavior gets reported, usually, and handled. But it could also be trolling. Which is why it's good to report it.

I don't think simply following a member is trolling. I often read a post then look at their other comments to get some context, and that may prompt me to comment in multiple places. That's not an intent to troll them or harass them, it was sort of product of my thought process to try and get context and then finding I had something to share on those other threads as well.

Yes, I have had it happen to me. I won't share my story because it became an administrative thing to deal with, and they did deal with it, and I was very grateful.

In regards to advice about dealing with trolls: Don't feed the trolls. They thrive on interaction. If you ignore them and just continue to be positive, eventually they move on. Just do not even acknowledge their presence once you determine they are trolling. They lose interest when they can't get a rise out of you.

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Default Apr 12, 2019 at 10:56 AM
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no it is not trolling when other members make new threads when they find a thread that they are interested in but cant post in it because the started of the thread has them on ignore...

the ignore list is a self care feature that is so that members can take care of their own triggers but does not prevent members from having full access to the site. it is not meant for preventing members from posting on topics and posts that they want to.

think of it like in real life.... you and a friend are standing there and notice across the room a discussion with out you is taking place on a topic that you are interested in and want to take part in but you and the people over there dont get along or have different views. you dont want to be around that other person so what do you do... you start a discussion on the same topic with those you do want to talk with. its not trolling that other group of people and its not stalking. you are just carrying on a discussion about the same topic.

well the ignore feature is like that.. it doesnt prevent members from having full access to the site but yet allows those who are having a triggering day to protect their self from being exposed to their triggers. it is perfectly acceptable for members to start new threads on other discussions and explain why they are starting a second thread, even though there is one discussion going on "over there" across the room.

just like in real life someone may say hey did you hear that... over there they are talking about ......, instead of going over there lets talk about it over here I think .....

in other words psych central follows real life sometimes
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no it is not trolling when other members make new threads when they find a thread that they are interested in but cant post in it because the started of the thread has them on ignore...

the ignore list is a self care feature that is so that members can take care of their own triggers but does not prevent members from having full access to the site. it is not meant for preventing members from posting on topics and posts that they want to.

think of it like in real life.... you and a friend are standing there and notice across the room a discussion with out you is taking place on a topic that you are interested in and want to take part in but you and the people over there dont get along or have different views. you dont want to be around that other person so what do you do... you start a discussion on the same topic with those you do want to talk with. its not trolling that other group of people and its not stalking. you are just carrying on a discussion about the same topic.

well the ignore feature is like that.. it doesnt prevent members from having full access to the site but yet allows those who are having a triggering day to protect their self from being exposed to their triggers. it is perfectly acceptable for members to start new threads on other discussions and explain why they are starting a second thread, even though there is one discussion going on "over there" across the room.

just like in real life someone may say hey did you hear that... over there they are talking about ......, instead of going over there lets talk about it over here I think .....

in other words psych central follows real life sometimes
I think if they create a new thread to respond to you, which I have had happen, then it is a breach of guidelines and circumvention of ignore. However, if they simply start a thread on the same/similar topic, then it's not. I think it's very much dependent on how they word it.

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I think if they create a new thread to respond to you, which I have had happen, then it is a breach of guidelines and circumvention of ignore. However, if they simply start a thread on the same/similar topic, then it's not. I think it's very much dependent on how they word it.
yes thats different than trolling. thats called circumventing the ignore feature and when we happen to find posts like that we are supposed to report when we find posts and threads attempting to circumvent the ignore feature. doc john has a few posts about this here in the feedback forum in threads discussing the ignore feature and what to do if we have this problem.

i was talking about members disclosing in their new threads that they are on ignore so are starting a new thread on the same topic is not called trolling but good point I forgot about that side of things.
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Are there community guidelines about publicly discussing someone else's Ignore list....suggesting that other members are punishing people by using the Ignore function?

I think it is respectful to keep that sort of thing private. When folks add me to their Ignore list, I don't feel a need to create a backlash or tell a public forum that they are tormenting me. It's a simple function on the site; not a punishment or character assessment. If folks believe that everyone on PC must respond to them and should never "ignore" them, perhaps they need a different site that does not employ an Ignore function. I don't know if there is such a site; just an idea.

I have no problem with duplicate threads that are created to simply discuss a topic of interest. What I take issue with is the creation of duplicate threads for the purpose of saying "I have to do this because I am not allowed to reply to the other thread and I am so hurt and offended...why are people so horrible to me?" etc etc

I don't believe that the creators of PC developed an Ignore function in order to torment anyone. And I do not support public call-outs of members who employ the Ignore function. The most logical response would seem to be to also add that member to your own Ignore list and move on with life.
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When I trolled or bullied strangers online, I did it because something they said set off unresolved pain I had inside me.

When I encounter trolls, I ignore them. And sometimes, I see comments I really WANT to respond to!

But, it accomplishes nothing to engage them. Plus, I worry about making them angry and then they take that out on their victims.

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When I trolled or bullied strangers online, I did it because something they said set off unresolved pain I had inside me.

When I encounter trolls, I ignore them. And sometimes, I see comments I really WANT to respond to!

But, it accomplishes nothing to engage them. Plus, I worry about making them angry and then they take that out on their victims.
Thank you Happy Crafter. Do you have advice for my 11 yo niece who struggles with drama on social media. I would not say that she is being trolled. But she gets caught up in drama with the other girls and also does not want to end her account. is there a middle ground for someone so young and emotionally immature? I'm not sure how to advise her. I did not grow up with social media...what a blessing!
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Tell me, what kind of drama? It only happens online and not in school?

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Tell me, what kind of drama? It only happens online and not in school?
Thank you for asking, Happy Crafter. I don't know too many details because she and I live in different countries. Yes, she has problems with the same girls at school too. Her mother has intervened there directly by speaking with the school staff and at least one other parent. I agree with how she handled it. She didn't go in guns blazing but tried to come up with a peaceful resolution for all.

I think its basic relational aggression among the girls. Not a new phenomenon by any means. What is new is the social media aspect, as I said, us older folks were fortunate to have internet-free childhoods....it was a simpler time back then. Anyway, my niece is an only child. She gets lonely and desperately wants friends at school. One girl likes to tell the others not to be friends with her....an exclusion tactic...a little power struggle I suppose.

I have tried to encourage my niece to step back and make other friends. But she is also getting sucked into the drama. When I ask probing questions, she gets cagey sometimes so I'm not entirely sure that she's also not doing things she shouldn't. One day she told me that another girl hit her arm. I said that was not okay and needed to be shared with her mother (she did) and then I asked what happened right before she hit her arm. There was a long pause. Then she awkwardly said, "well nothing." I asked again, "so nothing was happening and then she hit you out of nowhere?" She replied: "Well, I did call her a name but it was only a joke." See what I mean? Hitting is not okay. And neither is name-calling. When I tried to indicate that to her, it did not go over very well. I also need to mind my boundaries since I am not her parent but she often does confide in me and asks my thoughts on different situations.

Anyway, I'm sure between herself and her mother they will navigate things okay. I just feel at a loss sometimes when she asks me for advice about her social media account...as far as I can tell she and the girls get into petty arguments and then one or another gets offended and cancels the account. 24 hours later its opened again and they're all good again. Repeat, repeat. It sounds exhausting and I'm not even going through it but then I don't have the energy or enthusiasm of an 11 year old!!!

By the way, I admire your candor and integrity when discussing your prior participation in trolling. It takes true depth of character to admit our challenges. Bravo! And thank you for responding. As I said, I can't give too may specifics because I don't know them. I would not say trolling is the issue but it does sound like some bullying may be going on.
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Members should not follow other members around the forums, posting right after them. It may not be trolling (depends on the content of what they post), but it certainly is creepy and unwanted behavior.

Members should also respect that we have implemented the Ignore list as a self-care tool. It is not a member's right to know why another member has placed you on their Ignore list. It is for THEIR OWN self-care. Members who have a reaction to being placed on someone else's Ignore list need to work on that issue on their own, in private, or with their therapist.

Members should also not go around starting brand new threads on the exact same topic as a thread posted by a member on their Ignore list, immediately after such a thread is begun. That is indeed trolling behavior and such members will be warned to desist from such behavior or face suspension.

Remember, seniority here doesn't mean you get to play by a different set of community guidelines. They are for ALL members, whether you've been 3 months, 3 years, or 10+ years.

If you're aware of or are concerned that another member may be "trolling" you here, please report the post/behavior to an administrator and we'll take a look into it. We are actively looking into such a situation even as we speak. Thanks.

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I am relieved to hear that your niece has a helpful and involved mom!! Poor kid though; I am sad that is happening to her.

Bullying is a huge complex problem to solve. It takes years of therapy and learning new habits.

Her mom is involved and helping her. That is huge good news!! Maybe you could steer them to articles or something online that could give them more information? Or encourage them to seek information online. Or tell them about PC? They could find support here and information that could help them.

It is so hard to refrain when we want to help our loved ones, but, if their body language says they are uncomfortable with that, we have to respect that, just like you are doing. You are wise to back off. Your input is valuable, no question there, I think she is trying to manage her anxiety by reacting how she does. Does that make sense?

Poor kid, she sounds overwhelmed. And her mom must be concerned too.

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Yes, that does make sense! Thank you Happy Crafter.
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Thank you for your kind compliments! You put a smile on my face!! xoxoxoxox

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Hi folks,

PC is the only form of social media I have ever used. I hear a lot of talk in the world about "trolling" and "internet trolls." I did some basic reading on the topic and would like to learn more.

How do you define trolling? What would be some examples of internet trolling?

Are there strategies to prevent trolling?

How should a person respond if they feel they are being trolled?

My mother told me a story about a young boy being trolled by someone in another country, a grown man pretending to be an adolescent, who tormented the poor boy so much that he ended his life. It's obviously a very sad topic but seems to be pertinent to mental health.

Would following a member around on PC....each time they create a new thread, creating duplicate threads in order to post public comments about being on their Ignore list and "not allowed" to respond to the threads...would that count as trolling?

Have you ever been trolled and would like to share your truth?

Have you ever educated children or adolescents about trolling and ways to deal with it? What did you advise? My young niece struggles with social media/posts from the girls at school. I'm not exactly sure what to tell her at times beyond just keeping her distance...but then she argues that she feels excluded if she doesn't use social media.
Yes I am being troll on YouTube for past two years all because someone didn't like my opinion on two video.
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@SilverTrees my advice is a tip my 16yo gave to my 13yo in my presence, is that in medias like SnapChat, Instagram and Twitter, use the 'mute' buttons. It's a saving face mechanism without needing to be swept under by the barrage of information.
Kids these days use a different meaning for trolling, it's about silly, over the top gestures-memes, videos, photos, but harrassing behavior is exactly what it means. That's the stuff the report buttons are for.

Trolling in discussion type forums can mean, stirring the pot, creating controversy. I think it's more prevalent in other communities.
Then there's simple rudeness, cold shoulder or attempts at being disdainful-which is more likely elsewhere, I think PC is created with more safety measures than most anywhere else.
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