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The other people are our enemy - they are never going to understand us or be our ally because they ultimately approve of the practice of abuse; they think abusing people is the morally right thing to do and nothing will convince them otherwise. They believe we were abused because we deserved to be abused and they will fight to the death for this belief. The only answer is to hold them to their promise, because otherwise we will be exterminated.
Honestly TheUrOther, that is how you strongly "feel" but that is not all true. There HAS BEEN a growing effort towards awareness, there really has. As I have mentioned, changes happen slowly. If you continue along this vein of blaming and lashing out at others, you will do nothing to contribute to the solution.

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Then there is no solution because the only thing that stops abuse is fighting back until the abusers are too crippled to abuse. Not fleeing. Not fawning. Not fainting. The only way to win is to beat our abusers until they are completely subjugated under our power.
This method has NEVER worked and only ends up not only costing thousands and thousands of lives but ends up causing a great deal of anger and emotional suffering where many people end up suffering from PTSD, this is not something new in humanity, what IS new is realizing how so many human beings did actually suffer from it which turned out affecting their children.

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That's never going to happen. People don't want to know how we struggle, and will fight to the death to never know. To "normal" people we are worse than expendable and therefore nothing anyone says about us is valid and nothing anyone does will change their mind. That's not how people work.
Honestly, there is no such thing as "normal" to begin with. Also, while there are people who choose to remain ignorant, there are a growing number of people that are actually listening and trying to take steps towards making changes. Our new technology is actually beginning to help us start to understand how our human brains work, what areas in the brain are affected by trauma too. Truth is they are actually studying ptsd and trauma a lot right now because so many people are suffering from it that it's costing too much to address.
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There HAS BEEN a growing effort towards awareness, there really has. As I have mentioned, changes happen slowly.
What you don't realize and what you don't take into account is that the opposition is growing faster than your "awareness". It doesn't matter if there is a "growing effort towards awareness" when ignorance and hate explodes in leaps and bounds. You cannot focus on awareness in isolation.

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If you continue along this vein of blaming and lashing out at others, you will do nothing to contribute to the solution.
I fundamentally don't believe your solution will work, and will likely aid the enemy, and I have evidence to back this up. If I'm not "contributing" to your "solution", then that is a bonus.

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This method has NEVER worked and only ends up not only costing thousands and thousands of lives but ends up causing a great deal of anger and emotional suffering where many people end up suffering from PTSD, this is not something new in humanity, what IS new is realizing how so many human beings did actually suffer from it which turned out affecting their children.
The only way to get people to understand is to make everyone suffer from PTSD - that's the only way they'll "get it". That's the goal, not the thing to avoid. People will never learn until they suffer what they inflict - that's the only way the human brain works. Human beings are too stupid to understand PTSD any other way.


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Honestly, there is no such thing as "normal" to begin with.
Strictly speaking, I should have said "socially acceptable". Mea culpa.



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Also, while there are people who choose to remain ignorant, there are a growing number of people that are actually listening and trying to take steps towards making changes.
Again, the piddling amount of people "actually listening" are irrelevant next to the armies of ignorant people. You do not understand scale or ratios. They matter.


Simply put, you put too much faith in a species who has spent the entirety of history proving that it deserves exactly no faith. Until you dispose of this faith and rely on only what you can force, you will not make any significant gains. This is a war, not a tea party. The losing side dies.
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Some of the psychiatric injuries that present with PTSD is a heightened sense of vulnerablity to possible victimisation (hypervigilance)

Is driven by the anger of injustice

Even looks forward to each new day as an opportunity to fight for justice

Refuses to be beaten, refuses to give up

These are the symptoms you are expressing. You definitely have anger and a very strong desire for justice and you believe that the only way others will understand is if they suffer the way you do.
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Some of the psychiatric injuries that present with PTSD is a heightened sense of vulnerablity to possible victimisation (hypervigilance)

Is driven by the anger of injustice

Even looks forward to each new day as an opportunity to fight for justice

Refuses to be beaten, refuses to give up

These are the symptoms you are expressing. You definitely have anger and a very strong desire for justice and you believe that the only way others will understand is if they suffer the way you do.
Except for the "Even looks forward to each new day as an opportunity to fight for justice" bit, this is all correct. But just because it's a "symptom" of PTSD doesn't make it wrong - in fact, hypervigilance is the human brain becoming aware of reality. it's the "socially acceptable" people's lack of mental vigilance that's incorrect, and leads to more incorrect thought. The "socially acceptable" are all mentally asleep at the wheel, and they need us to wake them up. But they don't want to be woken up. They want to remain in the Dream, and they resent us for waking them up with the cold-water splash of reality. They insist on staying asleep, and will kill to remain that way.

Hypervigilance is the correct way to think. I'm proud to be hypervigilant - it's the lemonade I can make from the rotten lemons I've had violently thrown at me, and it's helped me learn many things I would not have otherwise. My hypervigilance is one of my best traits.

But you and everyone else think it's a mental flaw, because it makes you look at everything, whether you want to or not. People should not be allowed to ignore things in the first place - the ability to selectively "cherry pick" reality is why the "socially acceptable" make us suffer in the first place. People should be slaves to reality, not the other way around - but people almost literally think they should be able to ignore the fall from the cliff by simply not looking down. That's why the "socially acceptable" are so delusional, and why they are so abusive. They must be forcefully awoken to the point of Clockwork Orangeing them, if need be.


They will never choose to be aware of their own free will - they must be forced to be aware if we are ever to survive.
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I am sorry but I can't join in with "all socially acceptable people" need to be forced or are all bad in someway. I don't desire anyone to experience what I have to care or see what I have/experience with this ptsd challenge.
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I am sorry but I can't join in with "all socially acceptable people" need to be forced or are all bad in someway. I don't desire anyone to experience what I have to care or see what I have/experience with this ptsd challenge.
How else are they going to stop abusing us, if they're hostile to the very idea that we're their equal, and deserve an equal place in society? How do you expect them to change without being punished for what they're doing now? No matter what you might want them to do, no reward will make them change - rewards show where you want them to go; they cannot initiate change by themselves. Ceasing an existing behavior and initiating change is what punishment is for.

If you can prove that a lesser punishment can get people to stop being comfortable where they are, then we can go with that - I'm not for excessive punishment. But no punishment won't work - humans need the carrot and the stick.

Also, the fact they consider themselves "socially acceptable" yet don't consider us so is literally what makes them bad - that is the definition of their badness. They're willing to ostracize us based on what they did to us - how can they be considered anything but bad?
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But no punishment won't work - humans need the carrot and the stick.
Sounds to me as though you are much more interested in administering the stick, though.

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Also, the fact they consider themselves "socially acceptable" yet don't consider us so is literally what makes them bad - that is the definition of their badness. They're willing to ostracize us based on what they did to us - how can they be considered anything but bad?
There is no such thing as 'bad' -- it is misleading to use the word. There are things, and then there are our feelings about them. When we can fully feel what we feel, then we can also think about them more clearly. We can consider them to be, not 'bad' but disordered.

My experience is that there are a whole lot of people who do not think clearly about emotional disorders, who have them but do not recognize it. It is characteristic of emotional damage that it causes thinking to be discarded in favor of pure reactive emotion. It is part of the way we are built. Seems to me that there are lots and lots of them in the world -- we have only to pay attention to what is happening in our societies to see it. Sometimes it feels as though it is everybody -- including a lot of supposed "professionals". I hope it is not everybody -- some of us are trying to find a way out, a way where we too do not react only out of instant emotion (instinct), but try to think about things.

It is hard.
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Sounds to me as though you are much more interested in administering the stick, though.
Everyone else has the carrots covered. No one is driving stick.


Not one act of abuse that has been done to me has ever been punished. Of course people are going to continue to abuse me if there is never any downside! Why would they ever stop? What is their incentive to not abuse me when there is no real risk for their gain? All they have to do is outnumber me - which is easy to do, as their slander and rumor-mongering has guaranteed I'll never have allies.


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There is no such thing as 'bad' -- it is misleading to use the word. There are things, and then there are our feelings about them. When we can fully feel what we feel, then we can also think about them more clearly. We can consider them to be, not 'bad' but disordered.
That is absolutely false. They are doing clear, objectively-provable harm. That is the definition of "bad. Our "feelings" are irrelevant in the face of proof. Focusing on feelings is how one becomes an abuser.



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My experience is that there are a whole lot of people who do not think clearly about emotional disorders, who have them but do not recognize it. It is characteristic of emotional damage that it causes thinking to be discarded in favor of pure reactive emotion. It is part of the way we are built. Seems to me that there are lots and lots of them in the world -- we have only to pay attention to what is happening in our societies to see it. Sometimes it feels as though it is everybody -- including a lot of supposed "professionals". I hope it is not everybody -- some of us are trying to find a way out, a way where we too do not react only out of instant emotion (instinct), but try to think about things.

It is hard.
It's not hard for me. If you want to think and not act out of instinct, you must think of your emotions as a weapon to wield, separate but controlled, and not an inseparable part of you. Emotions are like fire - they are useful only when tightly controlled - otherwise, they are a disaster waiting to happen.
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If you want to think and not act out of instinct, you must think of your emotions as a weapon to wield...
What is the intent of wielding a weapon -- to revenge yourself on someone by hurting them as you have been hurt? That way you are still bound to them, to the imperative of instinct. If you wish to accomplish something with your anger, you have to be intelligent about it. You have to use your thinking mind to accomplish some permanent gain, not just an eye for an eye. You have to investigate yourself, as well as others.

That's what I say, anyway.
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It seems you always feel persecuted and like it that way. I don't understand why you are so interested in punishment. Is it anybody's job to really punish anyone for anything? Maybe if you are a parent you could justify that but that is not how I raised my children. It seems like all you would like to do is argue with the people who are trying to support you. I do not understand that mentality and I do not understand your anger. What I can tell you is fact: your anger is not healthy and it never will be. It will never change what you want it to change. You are invalidating everyone here who has taken the time to respond to you.
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