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I'm intrigued by the information here. I really like the idea of how snapping makes you feel like you are more in control of your life. I actually can't snap my fingers (haha) but I may give this a try!
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I'm intrigued by the information here. I really like the idea of how snapping makes you feel like you are more in control of your life. I actually can't snap my fingers (haha) but I may give this a try!
Hi lostfeeling25,

Not to worry! I'm sure that any suitably bold emphatic gesture will work for you. It might even work especially well if you invent your own gesture.

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Default Dec 01, 2014 at 04:42 PM
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Hi everybody,

I've just noticed that Ellen Langer (Harvard Psych. Dept) and her colleague have rather strong evidence that just making decisions has a very substantial positive effect on health from a study dating from the 1970s:

Ellen Langer: Read Chapter One

Nursing home residents who made more decisions were much healthier after the study and less than half as many died as in the control group!

I think this may be related to what's happening in this thread!

Here's a recent interview which also refers to "the plant study":

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/02/157809...to-beat-stress



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I am actually quite excited to try Snap Club, and I haven't been excited in a long time. Although I haven't tried it yet, it sounds like it could really work and maybe even be a cure for depression. I feel that Snap Club will go down in history. Thank you for your insight and making me realize things about myself that I didn't realize in an hour session with a 'professional'. You, my friend, are a true hero.

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[QUOTE=Beachlover527;4114413]Holy crap vital. I read what you wrote again after not really reading it thoroughly when I first read this. You are VERY intelligent and a GENIUS. You're right. Therapy hasn't helped me so much. Yes maybe challenge my thoughts from time to time but my depression got worse.
It's ALL about action. It's all about making conscious decisions for a depressed person to get better.
I have been just getting by. I felt no pleasure from life anymore. I've been trying SUPER hard to try and have HOPE and POSITIVITY.
I have definitely been procrastinating that's a fact. It's all because I'm waiting until I get fear that I need to do it, that's why I wait till the last minute to do things so I can finish it vs. doing them on my own will.
I've been snapping for the past 30 minutes and I feel joy and empowerment from the snaps. I feel like I am emotionally getting better. My mind is not on suicidal thoughts but more about, wow, I make lots of decisions in such a short period of time. I absolutely think this will work.
I am serious.
What is pretty difficult is remembering to this at all times but I'm desperate for help. So I will for sure keep the Snap Club in mind as much as I can.

I am also getting medication for the first time soon so I hope that will help also.

I just want to say you are a genius. Not even therapists know what you know. They're trying to do what they can to help but they don't know that a depressed person is on autopilot each day and not motivated to do anything.
Snapping before making a decision is so empowering and makes me feel joy.
Thank you. This Snap club should be published and be turned into an activity that all therapists tell their clients. It's crazy.
You're a genius.

(I'm snapping before hitting send )[/QUOTE

I think assertiveness, mindfulness and self care and empowerment are ways that can help people with depression. While action is what matters most in making positive change, beliefs, thoughts are also influential. So addressing, challenging unhelpful negative limiting ideas is important as well adopting new positive behaviours. I have great difficult making decisions when anxiety and depression are severe. I want to feel more in control and optimistic about things but currently in difficult dark place. How did you find out about this Snap Club Vital? I think it might help people feel less stuck, hopeless and vulnerable. I want to give it a go too. I guess its like a lot of things it takes some time and practice to start to feel the benefits.
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I don't think this us going to work. I haven't spoken to any girls I have been interested in for 2 years now out of depression and anxiety and more things. I feel almost entirely disconnected from the teenage female gender. I'm too self conscious to snap my fingers or do anything someone could see me doing. I'm so screwed up there seems to be no way to fix me.
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I don't think this us going to work. I haven't spoken to any girls I have been interested in for 2 years now out of depression and anxiety and more things. I feel almost entirely disconnected from the teenage female gender. I'm too self conscious to snap my fingers or do anything someone could see me doing. I'm so screwed up there seems to be no way to fix me.

Couldn't hurt to try? And you can snap or do any gesture you want so you can make it less obvious or you can do it mostly in private at first and see if you can build up confidence to do something public.

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I have great difficult making decisions when anxiety and depression are severe. I want to feel more in control and optimistic about things but currently in difficult dark place. How did you find out about this Snap Club Vital? I think it might help people feel less stuck, hopeless and vulnerable. I want to give it a go too. I guess its like a lot of things it takes some time and practice to start to feel the benefits.
That's great to hear Creative1onder . You should be able to feel something quite soon after you try it, probably on the first day, maybe immediately. It helps to enjoy the snaps and to notice that you are enjoying them, it helps to be playful and invent your own silly things to decide. It helps to use each snap as a bell of mindfulness. After a while, you may feel that the snaps are sacred. They bring the true inner you to the now. A union of mindful awareness, empowerment and vitality.

I invented SNAP CLUB myself, Creative1onder, after trying to understand what was going on in my own head. I think it works because I'm actually right about the root cause of depression as explained above. I'll probably write this up soon. I like to think that Forrest Gump could have found snap club too:

Forrest Gump: "They told me to snap out of it."
Forrest Gump: "I didn't know when to stop, so I just kept snapping."

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Couldn't hurt to try? And you can snap or do any gesture you want so you can make it less obvious or you can do it mostly in private at first and see if you can build up confidence to do something public.

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But it has been so long.

I know how it is.. I've been in a rut for 10 months now but I refuse to give up and I am snapping and doing anything I can to get back to normal! I believe it will happen if I keep trying.

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I am going to give this a try. I can't go on like this anymore. Oddly enough I am already a finger snapper when I walk down the hallways at work, cooking, hiking, walking, etc...
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I know how it is.. I've been in a rut for 10 months now but I refuse to give up and I am snapping and doing anything I can to get back to normal! I believe it will happen if I keep trying.

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It's not going to happen. No matter what I decide to do I have too much self hatred. It will never change. I know deep inside I am going to be alone for the rest of my life. It is so sad but it is true. Every time my mom talks about how she wants my brother and I to get married eventually it hurts because I know I will never experience this or ever be in a relationship with a girl. Almost every other person in my school will eventually but I will permanently be alone.
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Hi everyone,

The following is what I personally think is the best plan is for dealing with
depression. I'm putting it here so I don't lose it in the forum.

1. Deal with any physical/nutritional issues

There are a surprisingly large number of common medical or nutritional
issues that can cause depression including Vitamin B12 or D deficiency,
hypothyroidism, heavy metal toxicity, pre-diabetes, infection, gluten
allergy and omega 3 fat deficiency. If you have any issues like this,
antidepressants aren't really going to help and you need to get to the root
of the problem with a Medical Doctor. For references see this talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOPRp_K6QQY

and the book "The Ultramind Solution" both by Mark Hyman. For inspiration
about what this step can do for you, see the following post from the
"depression success stories section"

http://forums.psychcentral.com/depre...r-give-up.html

2. Try all of the safe healthy ways to overcome depression first.

Often the first thing that happens to a person if they complain that they
are depressed is that they are given a prescription for antidepressant
medication. However, antidepressant drugs are toxic substances, have
potentially serious short and long term side effects, lead to dependence
and can be very difficult to withdraw from. Also, antidepressants usually
don't work:

Why Antidepressants Don?t Work for Treating Depression - Dr. Mark Hyman

Because of that, it seems much better to first try all of the safe, easy and/or healthy
ways to overcome depression. This would include exercise (always great for you), SNAP CLUB
as described here (easy and fun to try), improving your diet (always great for you),
meditation (always great for you), talk therapy including CBT, light therapy, mind training,
being more social and others. I particularly think that SNAP CLUB is good to try
because it is, I believe, really directly getting to the psychological root
cause of depression.

3. If ALL of the above fails and you are desperate, go to the next steps with
a Medical Doctor. I suspect that in almost all cases of depression, some
combination of 1 and 2 above will work. However, this is only a guess on
my part. There are cases that I believe (on this forum and elsewhere)
where antidepressant drugs work dramatically well and cases where they
work dramatically well, but only after years of trying to find the right
drug or drug combination. If nothing really works in steps 1 and 2, you may have to try this.
I have heard similar testimonials from people for who ONLY Electroconvulsive
Therapy worked. The TED talk by Solomon describes a case where nothing worked
except for a cyngulotomy (a brain operation).

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Hi everyone,

I'm really feeling and enjoying my snaps more than ever before. I love the idea that snaps are joining my inner vitality with present moment awareness where a SNAP is like a "bell of mindfulness" as in Buddhist meditation practices.

SNAP CLUB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW66B_aGuiA

I'm still doing yoga and walking and some other exercises. Even though I'm not depressed anymore, I might add a sitting meditation and try light therapy in 2015, just to have the experience. This is a nice calm time of year for me to get lots of work done and think about the new year. I hope that 2015 is wonderful for all of you also.

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I'm not really sure if I personally resonate with your underlying reasoning, but the SNAP game may play other roles in re-structuring neurological pathways in the brain. I'm going to give it a try. Thank you for sharing.
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I'm not really sure if I personally resonate with your underlying reasoning, but the SNAP game may play other roles in re-structuring neurological pathways in the brain. I'm going to give it a try. Thank you for sharing.
You're welcome. I hope it's helpful for you.

Here's what I think are good signs in the early stages:

1. Enjoying it when you snap and decide even for the smallest thing.
2. Being creative about what to decide and exploring the process.
3. Using snaps to increase your awareness of particular senses at particular moments.
4. Having a little smile appear on your face when you decide things.
5. Having an increased feeling of inner vitality and control.

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Hi everyone,

The following is what I personally think is the best plan is for dealing with
depression. I'm putting it here so I don't lose it in the forum.

1. Deal with any physical/nutritional issues

There are a surprisingly large number of common medical or nutritional
issues that can cause depression including Vitamin B12 or D deficiency,
hypothyroidism, heavy metal toxicity, pre-diabetes, infection, gluten
allergy and omega 3 fat deficiency. If you have any issues like this,
antidepressants aren't really going to help and you need to get to the root
of the problem with a Medical Doctor. For references see this talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOPRp_K6QQY

and the book "The Ultramind Solution" both by Mark Hyman. For inspiration
about what this step can do for you, see the following post from the
"depression success stories section"

http://forums.psychcentral.com/depre...r-give-up.html

2. Try all of the safe healthy ways to overcome depression first.

Often the first thing that happens to a person if they complain that they
are depressed is that they are given a prescription for antidepressant
medication. However, antidepressant drugs are toxic substances, have
potentially serious short and long term side effects, lead to dependence
and can be very difficult to withdraw from. Also, antidepressants usually
don't work:

Why Antidepressants Don?t Work for Treating Depression - Dr. Mark Hyman

Because of that, it seems much better to first try all of the safe, easy and/or healthy
ways to overcome depression. This would include exercise (always great for you), SNAP CLUB
as described here (easy and fun to try), improving your diet (always great for you),
meditation (always great for you), talk therapy including CBT, light therapy, mind training,
being more social and others. I particularly think that SNAP CLUB is good to try
because it is, I believe, really directly getting to the psychological root
cause of depression.

3. If ALL of the above fails and you are desperate, go to the next steps with
a Medical Doctor. I suspect that in almost all cases of depression, some
combination of 1 and 2 above will work. However, this is only a guess on
my part. There are cases that I believe (on this forum and elsewhere)
where antidepressant drugs work dramatically well and cases where they
work dramatically well, but only after years of trying to find the right
drug or drug combination. If nothing really works in steps 1 and 2, you may have to try this.
I have heard similar testimonials from people for who ONLY Electroconvulsive
Therapy worked. The TED talk by Solomon describes a case where nothing worked
except for a cyngulotomy (a brain operation).

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Actually, I have recently begun taking a B complex (all the B vitamins) and a multi-vitamin daily. I can hardly describe the improvement i have seen in myself from just doing that. Its kind of amazing really.
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15 minutes has elapsed since I read your article. In those 15 minutes, I feel more motivation than I have in 15 days (possibly 15 weeks!). Making decisions is typically a big, stressful ordeal for me in my depressed state. Yet this reminded me we make decisions constantly. Our days are chock full of them! The snapping provides a real sense of accomplishment - its almost like checking off a box on my to-do list! We need to celebrate all of our achievements, big and small, as the little ones can carry equal weight. Thank you very much for sharing!
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It is not possible to cure depression with this after being miserable for 2 years and hating yourself very deeply.
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