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Default May 07, 2019 at 09:18 PM
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I'm not sure whether to post this in chronic pain or here, but I'll start here.

I'm in a lot of pain and having trouble walking. It seems like the pain's been there forever and has gotten unbearable. A specialist told me last year that I shouldn't be on high doses of painkillers, so I stopped taking most of them. I stopped sleeping the last few months because I'm in so much pain. Maybe an hour every few nights. My new bed is also uncomfortable and I can't do anything about it for a few weeks. I'm so tired that I can't function and I don't really eat anymore. I've lost 15 lbs in about three months.

I told my PM doc that I didn't want to exist this way and that I think about suicide. I'm not sure what I thought he'd do, but he sent me to the ER. They wanted to admit me, but I asked them not to. They scheduled me for an outpatient program instead. I don't think it'll be helpful, though, since it doesn't address how to deal with physical pain. Maybe being admitted would have been better.

I'm debating whether its worth doing the out patient program. I think I'd be better off with a program designed for pain patients. Or finding my own Pdoc/therapist. I'm not sure what to do, but can't keep just existing the way I am.

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Default May 07, 2019 at 10:46 PM
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I struggle with pain issues also rheumatoid arthritis Need advice. I use a herb called Turmeric there are numerous brands the purest brand (closest to pharmaceuticals) is called: Pure. Most store bought brands work but have other additives, they work but not fully.

Secondly, sometimes going in the hospital is beneficial as you stated you can’t continue that way. Perhaps while there you can suggest a program for people with chronic pain; this is a growing issue in life for many, you maybe helping someone else by fighting for a valuable program. Most hospitals have resources outside the hospital there maybe a program your in aware of therefore getting help from the hospital was helpful. At least you can recover your health with healthy foods and healthier clarity in what’s the best at this season of life.

Choosing suicide severs no purpose accept to end your difficulties (I’m not down playing your pain and discomfort) severe pain can and is over whelming and debilitating to say the least. I know...I’ve been in both places. Depression and impulsive behavior. Yet I sought LIFE because I believed there must be something better to help me. Therapeutic wise I had EMDR to help in therapy. It worked for me Need advice, I also turn to my faith.

Please know your not alone in the struggle for a healthy life. Many are going through the same thing, sometimes finding another person can help in understanding this may happen if you go temporarily in the hospital. I will pray for you. Need advice have Faith Need advice.

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Default May 07, 2019 at 11:30 PM
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Thanks for the reply...I'll have to look into Tumeric. My GP suggested trying CBD and I noticed a new place opened down the street from me.

I don't think the hospital here would actually start a chronic pain program; its a good hospital, but its a local one. They could probably help me get into Mayo or JHU.

Maybe I don't have the right concept of inpatient treatment vs partial hospitalization. Is inpatient really just if your on the verge of suicide or can they address medical issues like sleep better there? I don't see my depression improving if my sleep doesn't.
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Default May 07, 2019 at 11:34 PM
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May I ask what type of pain it is - where it is located?

Our bodies often grow an immunity to drugs, and as a result we either must increase dosage (which increases odds of addiction - as does the longer the amount of time you are on a pain killer) or switch to a new drug. The USA has put new laws on many pain killers outright forbidding doctors to prescribe medications they used to .. and adding in the clause they must greatly reduce the dosage current patients are on, and send them to classes to teach them how to manage their pain without the meds .. then keep reducing dosage til they are off them completely or can be safely transfered to something less addictive.

Your depression most likely stems from both your body withdrawing and from lack of sleep.

For sleep .. you can try warm showers to relax your muscles, and then lay down the with calming music and/or put lavender essential oil on your pillow.

I think you will find the depression alleviates a bit when you sleep.

If you are able to walk outside (even just a little) .. that will help both with the pain and the depression.

If the pain is legs or back there are stretching exercises that can help as well.

Eating small amounts of dark chocolate is good for both pain and depression also.

Those are some basic things I can offer. I hope it will help. ❤

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Hi Crypts,

The worst pain is in my legs, but also goes through my back. It appears to be chronic tendonitis, but the cause of that is unclear. My ortho says its neurological, the neurologists are a bit stumped--they thought it was movement but changed their mind and sent me to rheumy. He's ruled out arthritis and sent me back to neuro. I have a cousin with the same symptoms, so I'm guessing there's a genetic cause.

Some days I'm able to walk, but with pain, other days I can't walk at all. Physical therapy helps but seems to have a limited benefit. I should do more though.

The doctor who suggested going off painkillers had thought that they were causing hypergesic pain. I withdrew about 12 months ago and that clearly wasn't the case. My PM doc wasn't completely on board with stopping the meds. I went back on quick release and meant to ask him about trying extended release again. Instead I got myself sent to the ER. I'm not sure he'll prescribe until I've had some psych counseling now.
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Have you tried hydro type therapies (water therapy .. basically movement oriented while in the water, either swimming or other excercises)? That is less strenuous on the joints and may allow for more healing or strengthening if needed b4 walking. Stationery bikes or ellipticals also - but those can be more strenuous than walking but allow to control the amount of time you choose to be excercising better .. so I am not sure how strenuous you can take .. ?

I didn't know you had been off meds that long, sorry. Sometimes there are other meds that altho are not meant strictly for pain, can help - especially if they think it could be neuro related. Have they tried any neurological medications for you?

Have you ever tried doing sciatic stretches? Even if it is not your sciatic nerve - it may help release pressure ...

Also there are back "stretches" you can try ... simple things like keeping your feet flat on the foor, turn your head upward and reach for the sky as far and with as much strength as you can without taking your feet off the floor - toe touches, stand with feet shoulder length apart and touch the floor flat palms, slowly walk your hands behind you as far as you can without falling .. stop for 3 seconds between each "step", stand upright with feet flat, turn head to the side and reach to that side as far as you can without taking your feet off the floor - then stand upright - then do other side, stand on tip toes n back down then up on tip toes again (as high as you can without losing balance n hold for count of 5). You can also get on all fours and arch your back as far as you can and then return to relaxed position and then stretch out your arms as far as you can keeping head tucked n knees on ground - like a cat would do if it were stretching

These are simple ways of stretching and strengthening the back .. it may help

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Regardless of the pain management though.. the warm shower + relaxing music + lavender essential oil on pillow (2-3 drops) should give you good rest

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I recently read a story of a woman who was denied entrance to Disney Land in Florida because she had CBD oil in her purse; (it’s illegal there) she had severe arthritis. I don’t know much about that form of remedy.
I have found Turmeric works for inflammation and also helps with clarity in thoughts. Another herb I use is Boswellia it helps with inflammation (which is a cause of pain).

As for the hospital in patient means your in a sense locked in with close supervision. Semi-hospital patient your able to return home after a day program which has therapeutic setting. (That’s provided one’s not suicidal) if your serious about acting that out you’ll be admitted to the lock up.

Often, when one is a new patient an assessment is done to help pin point what the clients needs are. It’s a broad spectrum so they do ask about one’s needs beyond the psychological concerns. Of course there are many who go in strictly for the psychological concerns ie bipolar, schizophrenia etc. these patients are often repeaters (often going in). I think your case is different and if their good at assessing they will see your needs.

You asked for advice here’s mine go get the medical help you need. I believe you’ll see there’s another way besides death, pain, despair. Need advice

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Thanks. I used to do stretches like that, but have gotten out of the habit lately. I also used to go for water therapy and it did help with functioning although the pain never went away. I'll have to get a script to try again.

My bed really isn't helping and is just another symptom of the bad decisions I'm making lately. I went into the store with the attitude that if I didn't get some sleep I'd die and then let the salesman talk me into buying one of the softest ones they had. There's a manufacturer's defect in it, so I'm hoping they allow me to return it.
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That's odd about the CBD oil at Disney. The farm act legalized it in all 50 states. I've read that some have more THC than is legal, but you can't tell just by looking at the bottle. I do worry that I could be positive on a random drug test, though.

Thanks for the info about hospitalization. I'm not sure if I would actually do anything, but would really prefer to be dead. Its not a very healthy attitude.

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Thanks. I used to do stretches like that, but have gotten out of the habit lately. I also used to go for water therapy and it did help with functioning although the pain never went away. I'll have to get a script to try again.

My bed really isn't helping and is just another symptom of the bad decisions I'm making lately. I went into the store with the attitude that if I didn't get some sleep I'd die and then let the salesman talk me into buying one of the softest ones they had. There's a manufacturer's defect in it, so I'm hoping they allow me to return it.
Soft beds will make back pain worse - you need firm support. Yes, hydro therapy is not really meant to make pain go away as much as it is meant to allow functioning. The improved functioning allows you to do things like walk. Walking will reduce your pain the more you do it - both physically and emotionally.

I agree with jeremiahgirl though about the herbs (had forgotten those) .. there are many natural things you will find if you look online. I have tried a few, known ppl who have tried others, and just heard of others.. but they are all worth looking into.

I know jeremiahgirl to be correct on the hospitalization process. Lord knows I have been through it enough in my life.

Why did you fall away from the stretches? Were they not helping?

Here is another site that may help:
14 Natural Pain Relievers
Important note: (endorphins can be released in other ways than what is mentioned .. I will give you a link on this as well, but this is part of why walking helps so much - I say part bc walking has many benefits)

Here are some links on releasing endorphins (as well as more info about them):
Endorphins: Effects and how to boost them

How to Increase Endorphins Naturally (Exercise Optional) | Be Brain Fit

Here is info regarding herbs (even food based) that you can use to reduce pain:

The Best Herbs for Natural Pain Relief

This site has info on essential oils for pain relief as well as how to use them .. but if you scroll further down, also gives ideas of other things too

18 Essential Oils for Sore Muscles: Pain Relief, Tension, and Swelling

Here is info on supplements to help pain relief:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/anti-...options-190474

Here is info on vitamins to help pain relief:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-b...mation-4176859

That is info to get you started ❤

I hope it helps!

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