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Hi everyone, I'm new here. I suffer from dissociative disorder. I'm not sure if it's full blown DID because I don't usually lose time and my alters don't seem to have their own separate histories. I do not remember any abuse or trauma from my past. Is it possible to have developed this without having trauma in my past? I don't know if I believe in repressed memories. ???
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Welcome to PC.... and to the forum....

Sorry... I don't know anything about a disassociate disorder from non trauma... perhaps someone here on PC... knows... and a T... if you have one...

My guess is that a person could have a dissaciative disorder from non-trauma... because all people dissociate to some degree.. like in driving... and my guess... is that some people may just get very good at using that "tool" - disassociation... when they want to leave a situation... because in my opinion... that is what disassociation is.. a tool...
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Thanks for responding. I do see a therapist but I'm so confused about my past and she doesn't want to put any ideas in my head. I'm scared that my memories are wrong and I will hurt those I love.
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Actually, the majority of people diagnosed with a dissociative disorder have a trauma history. Dissociation is a continuous spectrum, but the more severe dissociation is clearly associated with trauma and abuse. While non-abused people can "lose themselves in a book, daydream,etc" they do not develop full blown disorders where space and time are altered to the extremes.

In fact, DID, is 100% associated with severe abuse. There are no known "true" cases that are not trauma related.
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Is a trauma history necessary for DID? However, I will add that what is trauma to one child may not be trauma to another child. Also, what sounds relatively trivial now, may very well be highly traumatic to a small child...as we get older, we are more able to handle traumatic events. At least that is the "normal" pattern of development...once splitting has occured all bets are off! But that is another topic.

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Is a trauma history necessary for DID? However, I will add that what is trauma to one child may not be trauma to another child. Also, what sounds relatively trivial now, may very well be highly traumatic to a small child...as we get older, we are more able to handle traumatic events. At least that is the "normal" pattern of development...once splitting has occured all bets are off! But that is another topic.

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This is so true.

I *did* suffer abuse, profound and prolonged. However, I believe my initial splitting started when I viewed something horrific and the fears associated with that same thing happening to me.

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It could be considered abusive to force a child to walk *alone at 6* by a horrific crime scene daily to go to school...knowing she feared the person was hiding in a certain spot...waiting for her.

I believe then that I became much more due to the abuse that was just beginning at the same time as well.

I guess what I'm saying is that if there were "fears" strong enough for the child you to NEED to go away, disappear, not experience (not be the one to walk to school every day), then it could happen in my thinking.

I can't know that, though, because as I said, abuse was starting full-fledged, in different forms, at the time and continued for many years after...creating more and solidifying what had begun. I can't say that full-fledged DID would've been formed by just that initial horrible fear, but I can't say that it wouldn't have either.

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Is a trauma history necessary for DID? However, I will add that what is trauma to one child may not be trauma to another child. Also, what sounds relatively trivial now, may very well be highly traumatic to a small child...as we get older, we are more able to handle traumatic events. At least that is the "normal" pattern of development...once splitting has occured all bets are off! But that is another topic.

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This is so true.

I *did* suffer abuse, profound and prolonged. However, I believe my initial splitting started when I viewed something horrific and the fears associated with that same thing happening to me.

************* POSSIBLE TRIGGER ****************






It could be considered abusive to force a child to walk *alone at 6* by a horrific crime scene daily to go to school...knowing she feared the person was hiding in a certain spot...waiting for her.

I believe then that I became much more due to the abuse that was just beginning at the same time as well.

I guess what I'm saying is that if there were "fears" strong enough for the child you to NEED to go away, disappear, not experience (not be the one to walk to school every day), then it could happen in my thinking.

I can't know that, though, because as I said, abuse was starting full-fledged, in different forms, at the time and continued for many years after...creating more and solidifying what had begun. I can't say that full-fledged DID would've been formed by just that initial horrible fear, but I can't say that it wouldn't have either.

KD

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Alot here to think about in these two quotes ...I personally was trigged later in life <<< >>> Others saw the Dif at times and I was more aware / unaware ....

Once I was trigged to memories I was more >>> as a older peep >> I was able to understand the reasons for certain behaviors I had developed .

Kinda explained some things and I became less stressed as to the blackouts. I learned to follow time more ,, even if I lost whole days or weeks <<<< , IDK ??? Does that make sense or help? Is a trauma history necessary for DID?
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yeah, i think i am figuring out slowly that 2 seperate events of abuse happened that (on the scale of things) were relatively minor - though still wrong. and i could have gotten around those probably if i had had intervention then at 3 yrs old. but when fighting back against the two most important women in my life turned to enduring yet another person, i think i expanded on the dissociation, put the "fight mechanism" away for a while (since it didn't work on the powerful man in my life) and what had been dissociation then became DID with actual parts to take over for me when it all got too much and i couldn't fight.
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Hi Kessa,

I do think that dissociative disorders stem from trauma. But boy do I understand not believing in repressed memories. There are reasons we do the things we do, react the way we react.

When I was first diagnosed DID, I completely disagreed with the diagnosis and went into major denial for a few years. I fought a good fight to deny it, trying to come up with any other reason for the behaviors that were being pointed out to me.

Looking back later, I realized that a portion of that was because in order to accept this diagnosis, I had to accept the fact that I was abused and I couldn't do it. I do think that that was partly because my abusers were still so much entwined in my life that it was not safe to even consider it, but I think my brain was so bent on protecting me that I would have denied it regardless.

I argued that if something bad had happened in my life, then I would have at least some knowledge of it, right? People don't just have things happen to them and not have a clue at all. This part of my brain just refused to even consider it.

Unfortunately the more I became aware, the less I was able to deny it. I did not know that there were tell tale signs of abuse and my behaviors were text book examples. I thought: Everyone sleeps dressed in armored clothes to sleep. Everyone fills up their beds with anything they can find so that there is not an inch of spare space. Everyone makes themselves small in order not to be seen.

Well, of course one would immediately raise their hands to their throat to protect them if someone came up behind them. It was normal to either jump 10 feet in the air because of a small sudden noise or end up in another place doing something else. It's normal not to remember childhood or what I did last week. Etc, etc.

The brain is an amazing thing and it's all about survival first and foremost. Your brain will bring things forward when it's time, if it needs to.

Much caring is sent to you today. I know it's hard for the brain to even consider trauma, especially if it's not ready or there are reasons it still feels the need to protect.

I wish you strength as you start and/or continue your journey.
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We know that the majority of people who are dx'd with did REPORT that they have trauma. In the majority of cases there isn't independent verification of that, however.

Which is just to say - that we don't know that trauma is the cause in the majority of cases.

I know that one of the main theories of DID is known as the 'post-traumatic model'.

But if you go around saying that you MUST have been traumatised in order to have DID or to 'really have' DID well then...

The things people will say to try and make sense to themselves...
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