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Yes, I agree with you. That makes sense. I am 177 pounds today. This may not mean anything since it is close enough to my previous weight that can be from the normal day-to-day wiggle in weight. Recently, I am going to exersize today by walking fast up a hill that goes over three quarters of a mile. There are two stretches that are of a bit of a downgrade which allow me to recover to some degree. My system, particularly my legs, is not used to this intensive type of exersize from day to day. This is probably why I cannot perform the same as compared to exersizing every other day. But in time this will change. Later in the evening, I will finish up by walking around my townhome complex at a moderate pace, not pushing myself.

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I worry about possibly pushing myself too far too fast or just too far in general. I turn 60 later this year. I have bursitis, tendonitis and arthritis and have been prone to flare ups that sideline me; even walked with a cane for a while. That was only when I knew I would be on my feet a while and only until the flare subsided. I am hopeful that the weight was a major factor and that I will be less prone to it. I also hope that building up muscle will reduce the strain that is directly on the joints. Keeping the ball from grinding in the socket in my shoulders, for example. But like losing weight, once I am happy with the shape I am in I think I need to go into more of a maintenance mode to stay in shape and not push too hard. I might make an exception for the occasional long paddle on the SUP though. I am really enjoying that.
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I can understand what you have said. When I purchased my watch, I began to become a maniac, always pushing myself. If I cannot walk a mile in around 15 minutes, I was not doing good enough. If I cannot average in the 140s heart rate on a walk, I feel I need to do better next time. Also I would like to see my heart rate above 160 for at least a brief amount of time. As my body is becoming conditioned to exersize, the above is becoming more difficult to do. This is why I am happy I found that long hill. I want to be able to walk very fast up that hill one of these days. At 59, I am getting old. What I find interesting is that online I found this 70 year old who not walks but runs 15 to 20 miles a week. Probably ten minute miles. Amazing.

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I have walked 9,153 steps so far. I exersized twice today. On one I walked 2.5 miles going up a bunch of hills. I burned 287 calories. I also walking 1.5 miles around my townhome complex. I burned 166 calories doing this. My run stats are below my average but the hills were not easy. Some of them were kind of steep. I think I am finding out that my cardio fitness is getting ahead of the fitness of my legs. I did not need to push myself allot to end up with tiring legs. That is why my heart rate only averaged 133 bpm which is a mild cardio exersize.

This together with an adjustment by MFP gave me a calorie target of 2600 calories. I ate 2477 calories. This includes that apple pie with an obnoxious amount of calories. This makes it 123 calories short for me. So I will have to figure out how to close this gap before the end of the day. I will come close. Perhaps a half a cup more of trail mix will do the job.

PS I see that MFP provided a negative adjustment despite the significant amount of steps made beyond my exersize. IMO this is unusual. I may be not understanding something here.
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I have 12372 steps. Most of it was a 91 minute walk for 6.7 miles. Strava gave me fantasy calories of 1084 for that walk.

I ate 2241, which is 443 less than the total with the walk in it using Strava'a numbers, which I let auto post. I feel like it was too much. I am hoping to get in a couple of hours of paddling tomorrow afternoon.

I will weigh in the morning. I feel like I ate too much today and expect it to be above 160, but not much.
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I have 12372 steps. Most of it was a 91 minute walk for 6.7 miles. Strava gave me fantasy calories of 1084 for that walk.

I ate 2241, which is 443 less than the total with the walk in it using Strava'a numbers, which I let auto post. I feel like it was too much. I am hoping to get in a couple of hours of paddling tomorrow afternoon.

I will weigh in the morning. I feel like I ate too much today and expect it to be above 160, but not much.
1084 calories? I do not think so! Depending on how much effort I put into my walks, I average 115 calories per mile. But you are in better shape than I am. Maybe you burn off less than 100 calories a mile? So this makes for at most 670 calories, and probably less. So I think your conservative 443 calories that you pegged for the exercise is more accurate than the 1084 calories. I have a similar problem with my watch which overstates the calories for normal daily activity. MFP adjusts it down for me in a significant way which is what it should do.

I am anxious to find out how my weight will change now that I am following MFPs daily goal for calories. This should prove to be interesting. If I continue to gain weight, then I will start taking a percentage off of what MFP states as my calorie goal. I can start by dropping calories stated for normal daily activity. My maintenance calories without exercise calculates to be about 2090 which should include a good part of this.
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1084 calories? I do not think so! Depending on how much effort I put into my walks, I average 115 calories per mile. But you are in better shape than I am. Maybe you burn off less than 100 calories a mile? So this makes for at most 670 calories, and probably less. So I think your conservative 443 calories that you pegged for the exercise is more accurate than the 1084 calories. I have a similar problem with my watch which overstates the calories for normal daily activity. MFP adjusts it down for me in a significant way which is what it should do.

I am anxious to find out how my weight will change now that I am following MFPs daily goal for calories. This should prove to be interesting. If I continue to gain weight, then I will start taking a percentage off of what MFP states as my calorie goal. I can start by dropping calories stated for normal daily activity. My maintenance calories without exercise calculates to be about 2090 which should include a good part of this.
Actually, I left 443 as still available, so I used 641, which is close to what you computed. I think yesterday was largely a wash, but that Wednesday "caught up" with me. Wednesday I logged 45 minutes of paddling for 221 calories and then went 55 over, so really 276. I actually paddled 90 minutes and 65 of them were nearly non stop and high effort. I probably burned 600+ in actuality. So, what do I mean by "caught up"? I was expecting 160 or more this morning because I felt like I ate too much yesterday. I weigh 157.8, the lowest reading I have seen so far.

Your percentage idea is interesting. I enter my own base calories because the estimate is too high. I shave exercise calories because the estimate is too high. I am not just kidding myself; I have stayed around 160 several weeks so I am eating maintenance or nearly so until recently when I dropped my base by 100 and now may be seeing a slow creep down. Had I used mfp's setting of 1910 and accepted the full 1084 calories from Strava, that would be roughly 3000 calories and I think ~2100 would have been more accurate, which is 70% of what mfp calculates. That's a pretty big fudge factor (mmm - fudge!) but I think Strava was off way more than mfp. Maybe I should switch walks back to MMW. I like Strava more for paddling.
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I weigh 179 now. One more weigh in like this and I will start to adjust my calories burned for every day. Like I mentioned before, I will start by including only calories burned from exersize. Maybe I should start doing this now? So let’s see how much I weigh tomorrow.

I will exersize today, but for today I will skip the hill and walk along the main roads to a restaurant two miles away. I do not think this will be as much as a workout, so I may run for brief periods of time. I have been walking when it is 100 degrees out. For some reason, this does not bother me much. I just do not like the days where the sun is more intense than this. I end up getting a sun burn, but it is not too bad.

When it gets over 100 degrees, I will have to walk earlier in the morning. It gets 105 to 110 degrees out during the summer, with a year every now and then up to 115. Some say it is a “dry” heat, but when it gets really hot, like not much over 100 degrees, this “dry” heat makes no difference at all. It is simply really hot outside.

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Actually, I left 443 as still available, so I used 641, which is close to what you computed. I think yesterday was largely a wash, but that Wednesday "caught up" with me. Wednesday I logged 45 minutes of paddling for 221 calories and then went 55 over, so really 276. I actually paddled 90 minutes and 65 of them were nearly non stop an high effort. I probably burned 600+ in actuality. So, what do I mean by "caught up"? I was expecting 160 or more this morning because I felt like I ate too much yesterday. I weigh 157.8, the lowest reading I have seen so far.

Your percentage idea is interesting. I enter my own base calories because the estimate is too high. I shave exercise calories because the estimate is too high. I am not just kidding myself; I have stayed around 160 several weeks so I am eating maintenance or nearly so until recently when I dropped my base by 100 and now may be seeing a slow creep down. Had I used mfp's setting of 1910 and accepted the full 1084 calories from Strava, that would be roughly 3000 calories and I think ~2100 would have been more accurate, which is 70% of what mfp calculates. That's a pretty big fudge factor (mmm - fudge!) but I think Strava was off way more than mfp. Maybe I should switch walks back to MMW. I like Strava more for paddling.
A percentage off from what is stated by MFP will only work if my watch is consistent. So if I walk an extra mile, it still will be strictly the same percentage off. If this turns out not to be the case where I have to vary the percentage I take off, then I will have to find some other way. My watch uses heart rate as part of the calculation for my calories burned, besides VOmax, which is how fit I am. Of course distance is an impAs I become healthier, the heart rate for the same exersize will go down. The indicator for my health will go up having a simular effect to the lower heart rate. I will have to adjust accordingly, or just do something different to keep my heart rate up there. That would help keepng the calculation the same for a much longer period of time since the watch is very stingy about how it evaluates my fitness.

PS I think you are essentially using two percentages depending on how strenuous the exersize is, like the difference between walking and paddling. You appear to be doing this effectively. Good job!

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