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Old 11-09-2018, 11:42 AM #1
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Hi, About 5 years ago I went on the poison called "Seroquel". The stuff has never done anything for me - except cause me to gain over 100lbs. I am down from a high dose to 25mg. So close to going off of it. I must lose weight. I am seriously concerned about my health if I stay at 250lbs. Of course, I know about diet and exercise - although exercise is pretty tough when I am in chronic pain (to the point of having difficulty walking) from carrying excess weight.

So. First off: Is there any prescription medication that assists in weight loss?


Second: Years ago, I was just a few lbs over my ideal weight. I was on an exercise program, eating very carefully, and was using ephedra (ma-huang), at that time touted as a great way to boost performance and lose weight. I felt fine, no obvious problems with ephedra. I reached my weight goal with no problem. Shortly after I stopped taking the ephedra it was pulled from health food stores because supposedly it could cause cardiac damage. It is now illegal in the U.S.

The weird part? Ephedra has exactly the same potential side effects and possible dangers as Seroquel does.

Since then, I am completely out of touch with herbal remedies for weight loss. Any suggestions?
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Oh, the hazards of weight gain from psychotropic meds. I am sorry you have gained so much weight from the Seroquel. Glad you are weaning off it.

There are currently some FDA approved drugs for weight loss but most of then have side effects so you would have to look at that carefully before diving in. I wonder if you might revisit what you diet was when you lost weight and maybe copy that. That was part of the equation so at least implementing that part would probably help. Too bad you are unable to exercise because boosting your metabolism that way instead of using a stimulant would be safer. If you can get some of the weight off through diet, it might become easier to begin a walking or exercise program.

Getting started is always the hardest part. Maybe a coach or an app for your phone would be helpful. I hope you find something that works for you.
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Thank you, LL. I can exercise some, just not as much as I'd like to - for example, running would be too painful, and I just don't feel safe cycling as I used to when younger.


My diet was very important when I lost weight earlier in my life - the problem is, I had less than 10 lbs. to lose, and I was using ephedra.

I asked my pdoc about the availability of prescription weight loss meds yesterday; she was vague and gave me an answer that didn't seem (as usual) to take my desperate need to lose weight seriously.


I dunno. I'm kind of thinking that, along with going off of Seroquel, I should just go ahead and try some kind of athletic enhancer that includes ephedra in it. When I'm this desperate, but not being taken seriously by MD's I feel like I have no choice but to step away from the traditional medical realm.
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When you say running would be too painful, do you mean any running at all? You could try starting a run/walk program, like Couch to 5K, where you alternate short bursts of jogging with running. It's a 9 week program, and it starts with something like minute and a half walking alternating with 30 seconds of jogging. You can repeat weeks/workouts until you feel comfortable moving forward.

My cousin was on Seroquel, and she gained weight. She warned me when I went on it, so I started counting calories immediately and put myself on a pretty restrictive diet. Fortunately, I was able to keep my weight the same. I was experiencing cravings like crazy, though, and saw how easy it would have been for me to gain weight if I hadn't been watching myself like a hawk. You could try a calorie counting app, and watch what sort of nutrients you're getting.

I know you're feeling desperate, and these solutions are a little slow moving, but they might be worth a shot. I hope you find something the works, and please be safe.
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When you say running would be too painful, do you mean any running at all? You could try starting a run/walk program, like Couch to 5K, where you alternate short bursts of jogging with running. It's a 9 week program, and it starts with something like minute and a half walking alternating with 30 seconds of jogging. You can repeat weeks/workouts until you feel comfortable moving forward.


Oh, no way can I run at this point. I have painful Achilles tendonitis...if it isn't wrapped, walking is very painful. I'm working on just being able to walk for longer stretches - by that, I mean, walking around the grocery store or a department store is all I can do. By the time I am walking to my car, I'm limping. By the time I get home I'm in serious pain.



I used to love to run (jog). But that's the vicious cycle...I weigh too much to be able to job, so because I cannot jog (or whatever aerobic activity), how can I lose weight?

If I could alternate between walking and running as a strat to get back in shape, I'd be out there right now.

Until I was 41 I was still dancing ballet. So you can imagine how thin I was, and in excellent shape. I still use the stretches I've used for 40 years, which is great for retaining flexibility and helping my peace of mind, but stretching hardly supports weight loss.



A big problem since mid-June has been the wildfires here in Calif. The smoke is BAD. I spent as little time as possible outside during the summer because I quite literally couldn't breathe well. I had just started taking some short walks - and now here we are again, smoky air and ash falling. The little bit I was outside today I was coughing, my eyes burning and tearing. These past 5 months have been a hell here.


My cousin was on Seroquel, and she gained weight. She warned me when I went on it, so I started counting calories immediately and put myself on a pretty restrictive diet. Fortunately, I was able to keep my weight the same. I was experiencing cravings like crazy, though, and saw how easy it would have been for me to gain weight if I hadn't been watching myself like a hawk. You could try a calorie counting app, and watch what sort of nutrients you're getting.


You're fortunate. I had absolutely no idea, when I started taking Seroquel, that I would gain weight like this. I have always eaten a healthy diet. I don't overeat. A few years ago I was still able to bicycle. I sold my car and cycled everywhere for 6 months. To work, stores, cafes, post office, anywhere I would have driven. Had I not been on Seroquel my weight would have dropped to the point at which I was too thin. During those 6 months I didn't lose 1 lb. In fact, I gained a bit of weight. The "experiment" was extremely discouraging - to say the least.


I know you're feeling desperate, and these solutions are a little slow moving, but they might be worth a shot. I hope you find something the works, and please be safe.

Thank you. I appreciate your input.
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Ah, yes, I understand now. I think the first order of business is to take care of the Achilles tendinitis. Lots of RICE-ing (Rest, Ice, Compression, and Elevation), but it sounds like you've got that covered already.

I have a similar cycle with running and my mental health. I run to battle my depression, but if I get depressed, I have no motivation to run. Unfortunately, I got injured training for my last race, so I haven't been able to run since Labor Day, and the depression is coming back.

I was also a ballet dancer, but I quit training pre-professionally in high school. While I was living in the Midwest, I was taking some adult ballet classes fairly regularly before switching to yoga (a little easier on the body), but we moved back east and I just haven't gotten back into either activity. I completely understand the body issues ballet creates, and that was the exact reason why I was counting calories on Seroquel (and why my cousin warned me. And yes, I agree, I was extremely fortunate. It would have wrecked me otherwise).

What about investing in a stationary bicycle and a heart rate monitor? It should be easier on your joints (although, I'm not sure about the tendinitis). With a heart rate monitor, you can, well... monitor your heart rate to really push yourself while your riding to make sure your getting a good work out on the bike. If you have a bicycle you like, you could always get an indoor bicycle trainer. That way you don't need to buy a whole new stationary bike, and once you feel comfortable riding outside again, it's easier to store a trainer than a stationary bike. I'm wondering if the reason you gained weight riding the bike around town was because you were building muscle?

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I had a friend who was prescribed metformin for weight loss. It is normally used to treat diabetes, but apparently can also be used for weight loss. You could try asking your doctor about it.

If walking is too painful, is there anyway you could get access to a pool and try swimming? It is excellent exercise and much easier on the joints.
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If walking is too painful, is there anyway you could get access to a pool and try swimming? It is excellent exercise and much easier on the joints.
I totally forgot about swimming. I personally hate swimming (dog paddle only), so I never think of it. I'm glad you mentioned it!
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Topamax maybe?

This isnít geared towards anyone on PC but sometimes people have no choice when it comes to meds and weight gain. Thereís lamictal and geodon is decent. Thereís Wellbutrin if you donít have anxiety issues. But sometimes thereís just no other option besides meds that cause weight gain. I was there personally when I was a teenager with many meds including Seroquel.

A girl I know was very underweight from an eating disorder. She was going inpatient multiple times, getting kicked out of multiple ED treatment centers and was having health issues. As a last resort her doctors put her on several meds that cause weight gain. Now she is morbidly obese but her mental health is so much better. Sometimes the ones that cause weight gain are the only options.

Again, not directed towards anyone here. Just a personal rant.
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She is morbidly obese, but her mental attitude is better? If you would like to explain, I'd sure appreciate understanding how her mental attitude can be better, despite being morbidly obese.
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