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I very partially agree with you. What I mean is, I support school for learning the basics. I think that college is something that you should be able to enjoy and it shouldnt be 4 years, it should be 2. The first two years of my English Lit degree were a waste of money. All I did was take classes that didn't apply to my major- foreign languages, a very hard math and various electives. It would have been way cheaper to just focus on the English Lit for an intense 2 years.

Yeah I am not against the idea of schooling by any means. I agree education is important.

I am against how the both high schools and colleges are structured. People should be encouraged to think critically and question information, no matter how potentially controversial said information is. I am against telling people how they should think and act just so they can conform, which is pretty much what schools do these days.

For the record, I am a student myself, all be it a community college student working on a 2 year web development degree. I only became a student because I was homeless a couple of years ago and needed a job but nobody would hire me and I couldn't get an apartment because they want a verifiable income and what little money that I did make wouldn't pass income verification so I was pretty much forced to become a student. If I had the choice, I may have chosen otherwise.
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For the record, I am a student myself, all be it a community college student working on a 2 year web development degree.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with community college! many times you get equal or better professors more dedicated to their work because they do not have the tenure cushion. My son went to community college and earned an associates and then transferred to a 4 year school. The SAME education for a lot less money.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with community college! many times you get equal or better professors more dedicated to their work because they do not have the tenure cushion. My son went to community college and earned an associates and then transferred to a 4 year school. The SAME education for a lot less money.

Agreed.

People down both community colleges and trade school, yet don't realize you can get jobs that pay really well through them without ever going to a university.

For example, I had a friend that went to a trade school in my area to study to work in IT. He finished in a year and got 2 certifications. He immediately got hired into a good company. He started at about 30 grand per year. About 2 years later, he is making close to 60 grand a year off working enterprise tech support (the guys that provide tech support to help fix those big servers that large corporations use and company networks with thousands of users) and he only gets 2-3 calls a day at most. He goes up to work in his PJs and takes a gaming laptop and literally plays WoW and watches Twitch streams all day in between calls lol.

Also I know another person that makes a 6 figure salary as a software engineer without ever even setting foot in a university. He only earned an associates and that's it. He even admitted the job is easy because he just Googles half of his problems.

Keep in mind that I live in a real low cost of living state so those figures that I mentioned would actually be higher in a major city where cost of living is double to what it is here.

So yeah, I don't see a need to go to a university.
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Yes! Guess what? I met my husband in college and we married when I was 20. He graduated with a Geology degree. Went to work at an environmental company- realized he hated office politics and environmental work. Quit, enrolled in a union (IBEW) school for teledata installation. Then Journeyman's school. Got hired out of the hall at the biggest Ivy league school in the nation and they offered him permanent full time. He now works as a network technician, loves his job and his degree did nothing for him. I have an English Lit degree and would love to be a teacher....someday however I have three kids so I stayed home with them. STILL waiting for the day that I can benefit from my degree.

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Agreed.

People down both community colleges and trade school, yet don't realize you can get jobs that pay really well through them without ever going to a university.

For example, I had a friend that went to a trade school in my area to study to work in IT. He finished in a year and got 2 certifications. He immediately got hired into a good company. He started at about 30 grand per year. About 2 years later, he is making close to 60 grand a year off working enterprise tech support (the guys that provide tech support to help fix those big servers that large corporations use and company networks with thousands of users) and he only gets 2-3 calls a day at most. He goes up to work in his PJs and takes a gaming laptop and literally plays WoW and watches Twitch streams all day in between calls lol.

Also I know another person that makes a 6 figure salary as a software engineer without ever even setting foot in a university. He only earned an associates and that's it. He even admitted the job is easy because he just Googles half of his problems.

Keep in mind that I live in a real low cost of living state so those figures that I mentioned would actually be higher in a major city where cost of living is double to what it is here.

So yeah, I don't see a need to go to a university.

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Yes! Guess what? I met my husband in college and we married when I was 20. He graduated with a Geology degree. Went to work at an environmental company- realized he hated office politics and environmental work. Quit, enrolled in a union (IBEW) school for teledata installation. Then Journeyman's school. Got hired out of the hall at the biggest Ivy league school in the nation and they offered him permanent full time. He now works as a network technician, loves his job and his degree did nothing for him. I have an English Lit degree and would love to be a teacher....someday however I have three kids so I stayed home with them. STILL waiting for the day that I can benefit from my degree.

I heard being a community college adjunct isn't that bad of a deal honestly. I know a couple of professors that teach part time (one I am kind of close with even) and they say that it really isn't that hard or stressful to teach 2-3 smaller classes part time. There isn't a terribly large amount of work involved and the pay is decent enough for the time committed. If nothing else, they seem like happy people.

I admit, it has even crossed my mind to teach before, just because it would be kind of cool to do something meaningful without having to work over 40 hours per week. I just don't want to deal with the stress and pressure of full time work, which is why I have this obsession with self employment lol. Working part time as a teacher would be kinda cool though if I had the patience to stick out university.


So maybe that's something you can consider in the future? It might suit you
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I went to Community College too, Darkness...wasn't good enough for my Ivy League parents, but I am good with me.......

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I went to Community College too, Darkness...wasn't good enough for my Ivy League parents, but I am good with me.......

Ivy League universities are a scam anyways. They are overpriced and overrated. Why anybody would take in hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan debt JUST so they can brag about how much better they are than everyone else because they went to somewhere like Harvard is beyond my comprehension. Yes, I do realize that you can meet contacts at an Ivy League university and some jobs become more accessible to you. There are many other ways to become successful and wealthy without even going to a university though. Entrepreneurship comes to mind, which you don't even need college for.


I think that's another problem with high schools in particular. They make students think that they won't amount to anything if they don't get into a top university. As a result, many high school students are being overworked with school, desperately trying to keep their grades up and taking a bunch of AP classes just so they can get into an Ivy League university.

The whole system is a big scam. The best way to avoid being scammed is to not play the scammers game. That's why I am doing things my own way. I refuse to conform to a society that encourages me to do things that make me unhappy just to fit in. After all, you wouldn't play a game against a cheater, would you?
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Ivy League universities are a scam anyways. They are overpriced and overrated. Why anybody would take in hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan debt JUST so they can brag about how much better they are than everyone else because they went to somewhere like Harvard is beyond my comprehension.
I think it depends on what you will be pursuing. Some industries are all reputation and no real skill.

But I think these schools are simply "secret handshakes" of the elites. The elites recruit there for two reasons:

(1) if you are rich and powerful, you are likely to send your kids to these schools. These kids are the key to rich and powerful people. I went to a top school, eventually I found out all my friends were sons of congressmen, federal judges or captains of industry. Not only was hiring these kids a quid pro quo to the powerful parent, ( I had much better grades than them) but, the kids themselves probably didn't need too much pay because they were rich.

(2) If you are just a regular smoe like me... they might hire you... after all they need someone to do to the work, but they need to have a way to control you. How do they do that? Have you graduate with student loans that are massive and crushing and could only be paid off by working for them and doing exactly what they tell you to.

I went to a regular state school for college and had a terrible time getting work or pay afterward. I realized I got what I paid for. I went back to an elite school and though I didn't get the jobs I thought I would... It still opens up opportunities for me. I was frugal though I made sure I rang up as little debt as possible. So it was worth the 50K I paid for it. 250K? Nope.

BTW I learned NOTHING at the elite school. But clearly that is not what they are about.
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Which pretty much makes them a scam.

I won't play the wealthy elite's game. I despise the rich with a passion. I am a self proclaimed robin hood that would screw over the rich to help somebody in need if given the chance. I do things my own way, outside of the system.


The system hasn't done anything for me except steal 2/3rds of my childhood because of doctors that wanted to milk money off me and a mother that wanted to garner sympathy by lying about my mental health issues. Guess who controls the mental health system? The wealthy elite or "Illuminati" as they're called by some.

As long as there are people struggling with not even being able to buy a loaf of bread or get basic medical care because of being poor, I will hold the rich in utter contempt. Nothing can change that.

Nobody can control me. I would sooner die on my feet than live on my knees.
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I think it’s normal to feel better about having genuine respect for some women. We all put on our game face in some situations, but I think you will be happier spending more time w people you really like.

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I won't play the wealthy elite's game. I despise the rich with a passion. I am a self proclaimed robin hood that would screw over the rich to help somebody in need if given the chance. I do things my own way, outside of the system.
We share this. One real problem I have where I work is that for some reason the culture is the the elites are "GODS" and we should treat them that way. That is so offensive to me. I feel like people get respect when they earn it.. and they don't earn it by a title.

This of course makes it so I will never get anyplace.

This is my second career and my goal when I started was to protect the underdog but, the way to protect the underdog is by gaining power and the only way to gain power is to suck up and put your ethics and individuality aside.
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We share this. One real problem I have where I work is that for some reason the culture is the the elites are "GODS" and we should treat them that way. That is so offensive to me. I feel like people get respect when they earn it.. and they don't earn it by a title.

This of course makes it so I will never get anyplace.

This is my second career and my goal when I started was to protect the underdog but, the way to protect the underdog is by gaining power and the only way to gain power is to suck up and put your ethics and individuality aside.

Agreed.


That's why I am not in any way interested in climbing the corporate ladder. I am going to be entirely self employed doing my own thing my whole life. If for whatever reason I need a regular job, I will work in technical/developer positions only as long as I need the money.


Heck, the way to "climb" as a web or software developer is to work for a company for no longer than 12-18 months and then move on. Startups in particular expect to lose their developers within a year. Doing things that way ends up getting you better paying jobs if you are interested in working for companies as a developer because companies typically won't shell out the money to promote people when they expect their developers to leave.

I will spend my life treating companies exactly how they would treat me, use them and then abandon them when they outlive their usefulness.
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I also agree with the fact that respect is earned and not given.

It's funny how people think that because they are older or have more money that they are somehow entitled to respect.

I couldn't care less about how much money you have or how old you are. Just because you're older or richer than me doesn't mean I will bend to your will.

Me being that way really pisses people off, especially the part about age lol.
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It's funny how people think that because they are older or have more money that they are somehow entitled to respect.

I couldn't care less about how much money you have or how old you are. Just because you're older or richer than me doesn't mean I will bend to your will.

Me being that way really pisses people off, especially the part about age lol.
Thats exactly how many commoners think and act yes.

Never bending to anyone's will is the key to many things, especially to making others bend toyour will

Think about any leader in politics. Can you imagine any of them openly bending to anyone's will? Lol of course not, that fate is deserved for some commoners. Of the lowest grade too lol.

Some women, especially with children tend to think that them using their reproductive organs makes them "better". You know all that "women and children first" ********.
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Some women, especially with children tend to think that them using their reproductive organs makes them "better". You know all that "women and children first" ********.

Oh man, I actually got into a heated debate about this very subject not too long ago.

This lady overheard a conversation between me and my friend where we were talking about our messed up pasts (we both had parents that royally failed at being parents lol). She came up to us and told me how I should respect my mother because she gave birth to me. I told her I don't owe my cum dumpster of mother a damn thing because she was a selfish abusive ***** that screwed up my childhood.


She was ranting and raving about how my mother probably just made mistakes and how I should respect her because she gave me life and how I wouldn't exist in the world without her and other nonsense. I flat out told her that having the ability to pump out a kid doesn't make you special because there are over 4 billion other women in the world that can do the same damn thing.


Needless to say this person stays clear of me now LOL
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4 million and all female animals But seriously, parents seem to think this. That children must be grateful for the effort parents put to have raised them. The argument is simple: I didn't ask to come to this life, and had no choice in it. Since parents decided to bring us here, they are OBLIGED to take care of us. It's an instinct that parents, especially mothers in all the animal kingdom, to take care of their offspring until they become strong and independent. Unlike other animals, though, humans keep this lingering relationship with parents, and parents think they own their children, and their children must be grateful to them. I am sure loving parents would receive their children's love and respect without demanding it, but if parents are not loving and abusive, even if they provide food and money, they don't have any right to demand their children's love and respect or even presence around them. Every one can be a biological parent, but not every one must be one. Yes, humans' lives is not easy, and taking care of children isn't easy, but again, no one forces any one to have children, I assume.
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Every one can be a biological parent, but not every one must be one. Yes, humans' lives is not easy, and taking care of children isn't easy, but again, no one forces any one to have children, I assume.

This is seriously one of the best quotes I've read on here in awhile. Truer words have never been spoken in this land of crazies we call psych central

On a more serious note, I never understood why so many people decide to have children like it's some kind of law. I see people in their late teens/early 20s ruining their lives by having 2-4 children when they have no business having kids and all I can think is "why"? It almost seems like to me many people are guided mostly by their primal instincts and lack the intellectual capacity to question why they "need" children.

I'm going on 28, yet I don't have any children and I don't want children. For one, I don't want to mess up a child like my mother messed me up. More importantly, I am too interested in my hobbies and passions and being forced to take care of a child would take time away from doing things that I want to do, which is a compromise I am unwilling to make. People that discover how against having children I am usually think I've gone psycho or something lol

I know I'm unfit to be a parent so I don't plan on having children. I don't see how hard it can be for other people to think the same way.
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On an off note, I seriously think this thread needs to be stickied and renamed "The official intelligent people thread".

I've had more enlightened conversation in this one thread on here than I have had in my entire previous 3 years as a member on here combined. That's saying something.
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It almost seems like to me many people are guided mostly by their primal instincts and lack the intellectual capacity to question why they "need" children.

I'm going on 28, yet I don't have any children and I don't want children. For one, I don't want to mess up a child like my mother messed me up. More importantly, I am too interested in my hobbies and passions and being forced to take care of a child would take time away from doing things that I want to do, which is a compromise I am unwilling to make. ...

I know I'm unfit to be a parent so I don't plan on having children. I don't see how hard it can be for other people to think the same way.
The bolded text are very good points, and they are related. There is a philosophy called anti-natalism. Unlike the second reason you mentioned, where you don't want to have children because you need your time and freedom to pursue your goals (reasons that concern you), this philosophy is more related to your first reason, where your concern is the child and not you. However, it goes beyond it to say that all humans have the obligation to stop procreating altogether and go extinct by choice, because no matter what life you have, it's full of suffering. In other words Better to Never Have Been. However, I think for most humans the instinct of life and procreating are stronger than the desire to end suffering. In a sense, we are imprisoned in life; I think we procreate to ease our own suffering, but in the process, we create new lives to go through the same suffering and process again. There is no escape from its suffering but by extinction by an external force, like an asteroid.
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