Is depression realism true? - Forums at Psych Central



advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-18-2019, 05:11 PM #1
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
rdgrad15 Keep striving to be happy and maintain a positive mental attitude! :)
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365

3 yr Member
201 hugs
given
Default Is depression realism true?

Iíve wondered if depressive realism is true or not. I am one of thos people that is right in the middle, not overly optimistic but not overly pessimistic. I like to think in realistically and see things for how they are rather than have constant wishful thinking. But I hear that those with mild depression actually see things for how they actually are more accurately. Is this true? I was just wondering.
rdgrad15 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:

advertisement
Old 03-18-2019, 07:30 PM #2
Sisabel's Avatar
Sisabel Sisabel is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: May 2018
Location: USA
Posts: 1,384
Sisabel Sisabel is offline
Poohbah
Sisabel's Avatar
Sisabel always trying...
 
Member Since: May 2018
Location: USA
Posts: 1,384 (SuperPoster!)

1 yr Member
363 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rdgrad15 View Post
Iíve wondered if depressive realism is true or not. I am one of thos people that is right in the middle, not overly optimistic but not overly pessimistic. I like to think in realistically and see things for how they are rather than have constant wishful thinking. But I hear that those with mild depression actually see things for how they actually are more accurately. Is this true? I was just wondering.


I have never heard of this but it makes sense. I can relate.
Sisabel is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Old 03-18-2019, 07:56 PM #3
healingme4me's Avatar
healingme4me healingme4me is online now
Perpetually Pondering
Community Liaison
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: New England
Posts: 45,989
healingme4me healingme4me is online now
Perpetually Pondering
Community Liaison
healingme4me's Avatar
healingme4me Needs a little reading lamp.
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: New England
Posts: 45,989 (SuperPoster!)

5 yr Member
6,436 hugs
given
PC PoohBah!
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Can a realist have depression? Sure, why not?
healingme4me is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Old 03-19-2019, 03:03 PM #4
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
rdgrad15 Keep striving to be happy and maintain a positive mental attitude! :)
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365

3 yr Member
201 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sisabel View Post
I have never heard of this but it makes sense. I can relate.
Yeah same. I can see how it could be true to a certain extent.
rdgrad15 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-19-2019, 03:03 PM #5
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
rdgrad15 Keep striving to be happy and maintain a positive mental attitude! :)
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365

3 yr Member
201 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by healingme4me View Post
Can a realist have depression? Sure, why not?
Yeah that too.
rdgrad15 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-19-2019, 07:06 PM #6
SilverTrees's Avatar
SilverTrees SilverTrees is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: Mar 2019
Location: Here
Posts: 1,006
SilverTrees SilverTrees is offline
Poohbah
SilverTrees's Avatar
SilverTrees is wishing everyone peace and hope.
 
Member Since: Mar 2019
Location: Here
Posts: 1,006 (SuperPoster!)

1,239 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rdgrad15 View Post
Iíve wondered if depressive realism is true or not. I am one of thos people that is right in the middle, not overly optimistic but not overly pessimistic. I like to think in realistically and see things for how they are rather than have constant wishful thinking. But I hear that those with mild depression actually see things for how they actually are more accurately. Is this true? I was just wondering.
Hello rdgrad. Interesting post! What exactly do you mean by 'depression realism?' I've never heard that phrase. Do you have any links or literature on it that I could read?

Depression by its nature is a distortion of thoughts...many researchers now believe it is an attention bias....a bias toward negative thoughts. People who are not depressed, or depressed people who start to feel better or have a good day, are not "unrealistic"...they are well! I am speaking as someone who has lived with depression since early childhood. So I have zero judgment for anyone living with depression but I don't think it's helpful to suggest that some level of depression or pessimism should be a goal.

The research on pessimists and optimists regarding relationships and health is very clear. Though I realize that you were talking about a middle ground. I suppose for me, a healthy middle ground involves hope.

What do you mean by "overly optimistic?" If we exclude mania or psychosis, what is wrong with optimism? To me, that would be like describing someone as "overly happy." Provided they aren't thinking they can fly off a building or something (psychosis) why would we suggest limiting a person's happiness? By its nature, happiness is episodic. So too is sadness. But depression is not the same as sadness.
SilverTrees is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Old 03-21-2019, 07:48 PM #7
zapatoes's Avatar
zapatoes zapatoes is online now
Veteran Member
 
Member Since: Sep 2018
Location: Islandia
Posts: 691
zapatoes zapatoes is online now
Veteran Member
zapatoes's Avatar
zapatoes Mood: Ok
 
Member Since: Sep 2018
Location: Islandia
Posts: 691 (SuperPoster!)

525 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Can someone be considered pessimistic, but not depressed and depression it seems is exaggerated pessimism, hmmm. Just interesting to think about when people state ďIím half glass full kind of personĒ as opposed to half glass empty which leans towards pessimistic. In life I like to look at things practically and without emotion since emotions get in the way, but thatís easier said than done sometimes. Iím an INTJ personality type.
zapatoes is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Old 03-22-2019, 07:37 AM #8
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
rdgrad15 Keep striving to be happy and maintain a positive mental attitude! :)
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365

3 yr Member
201 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverTrees View Post
Hello rdgrad. Interesting post! What exactly do you mean by 'depression realism?' I've never heard that phrase. Do you have any links or literature on it that I could read?

Depression by its nature is a distortion of thoughts...many researchers now believe it is an attention bias....a bias toward negative thoughts. People who are not depressed, or depressed people who start to feel better or have a good day, are not "unrealistic"...they are well! I am speaking as someone who has lived with depression since early childhood. So I have zero judgment for anyone living with depression but I don't think it's helpful to suggest that some level of depression or pessimism should be a goal.

The research on pessimists and optimists regarding relationships and health is very clear. Though I realize that you were talking about a middle ground. I suppose for me, a healthy middle ground involves hope.

What do you mean by "overly optimistic?" If we exclude mania or psychosis, what is wrong with optimism? To me, that would be like describing someone as "overly happy." Provided they aren't thinking they can fly off a building or something (psychosis) why would we suggest limiting a person's happiness? By its nature, happiness is episodic. So too is sadness. But depression is not the same as sadness.
Hi! Depression realism is a proposed theory or something like that that suggests that those with mild to moderate depression have a more accurate view on outcomes of various situations in life, whether it is social situations or anything else. Here is a link to one article I found. There are plenty of others but this is one of the articles I found. If you want me to find more than I will be happy to do so.

Depressive Realism | Psychology Today

I agree with you that this could be false since it is true that depression involves distortion with thoughts and beliefs. In terms of being overly optimistic, by that I mean there are some people who believe that nothing can go wrong and everything will work out well and they will always receive good outcomes. For example, some people I know who are overly optimistic may be convinced that they got a job they applied for or got into a school organization they've always wanted to get into and will go as far as to tell other people that they got whatever it is they wanted to do without any solid evidence.

Imagine their understandable disappointment and disbelief whenever they found out they actually didn't get that job or didn't get accepted into a school club or even a school of their choice. They are more emotionally wrecked than those who are more humble and know that even though it would be great if things went their way, they know that there is a possibility that things may not work out. Same for social situations. Overly optimistic people believe that everyone wants to be their friend only to be terribly disappointed and crushed when they find out that not everyone wants to be friends with them, although most people may still like them as an acquaintance.

I agree with you though that encouraging people to become mildly depressed should not be a goal. I believe there is a difference between being realistic and having true depression. That's why, even though there are articles suggesting depressive realism is true or state that there is a good possibility that those with mild depression are more accurate in determining various outcomes, it still makes me wonder how true it is since even though they are only mildly depressed, they are still depressed so their views on various outcomes may be tainted in a negative light more so than those who are just simply more humble and realistic.
rdgrad15 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Old 03-22-2019, 07:39 AM #9
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365
rdgrad15 rdgrad15 is offline
Poohbah
rdgrad15 Keep striving to be happy and maintain a positive mental attitude! :)
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,365

3 yr Member
201 hugs
given
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by zapatoes View Post
Can someone be considered pessimistic, but not depressed and depression it seems is exaggerated pessimism, hmmm. Just interesting to think about when people state ďIím half glass full kind of personĒ as opposed to half glass empty which leans towards pessimistic. In life I like to look at things practically and without emotion since emotions get in the way, but thatís easier said than done sometimes. Iím an INTJ personality type.
Oh I see what you mean. I am more of an introvert too and I tend to look at things as realistically as I possibly can if that makes any sense.
rdgrad15 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-23-2019, 06:57 PM #10
-jimi-'s Avatar
-jimi- -jimi- is offline
Jimi the rat
 
Member Since: Dec 2008
Location: Northern Europe
Posts: 6,057
-jimi- -jimi- is offline
Jimi the rat
-jimi-'s Avatar
-jimi- is a vermin. Please feed me anyway.
 
Member Since: Dec 2008
Location: Northern Europe
Posts: 6,057

10 yr Member PC PoohBah!
Default Re: Is depression realism true?

According to research, yes mildly depressed people have it more right. Research has mainly been about other people's thoughts about you, where normal people think they are more liked than they really are.

The world is crazy. I'd say being normal is kind of having slight hypomania, because no one would survive seeing everything as it really is.
__________________
-jimi- is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:49 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® — Copyright © 2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.



 

advertisement

Psych Central Forums

Psych Central is the leading mental health website, overseen by mental health professionals since 1995.

 

Helplines and Lifelines

The material on this site is for informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider. .

Always consult your doctor or mental health professional before trying anything you read here.
Please read the full disclaimer.