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Default Nov 03, 2019 at 01:36 PM
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I read that nowadays most psychiatrist are only concerned about prescribing meds. So should I first see a psychologist instead? I've take a lot of online tests & always score extremely high for:

1. Avoidant Personality Disorder
2. Borderline Personality Disorder
3. Social Anxiety Phobia
4. ADHD/ADD

My main concern is work. I work alone so #1 & #3 above aren't so bad except it's lonely. It's painful to sit still unless I'm doing something like online shopping.

Unfortunately I'm a software developer for my present 2 year long project. Best solution I've found so far is to take my laptop to different places outdoors. Work for a half to 1 hour, take a break, go to another location, repeat.

My roaming laptop method may help but maybe a psychologist could find a better solution, or maybe refer me to a psychiatrist for meds.

Given what my online mental disorder tests show, do you think I should see a psychiatrist or a psychologist?
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I can only relate my personal experience. I no longer receive any mental health services. But I used to see a psychiatrist. And I tried seeing a few mental health therapists as well. As you mentioned, the psychiatrist I saw was only interested in prescribing & monitoring psych med's. Except for my initial appointment which ran longer, my subsequent appointments lasted... oh... maybe 10 minutes & I was out of there. Therapy appointments were typically an hour & that's where pretty-much any-&-all discussion of concerns took place.

I never saw a psychologist. Where I live, at least, psychologists don't seem to do much in the way of ongoing therapy. (Maybe some do & I just never happened to see one.) Most of the therapy services that are available seem to be offered by people who refer to themselves as mental health therapists. Some of them may have psychology degrees. But many of them seem to have social work degrees. At least that's been my experience. (Perhaps where you live, things are different?) So, anyway, based on my own experience, I would say the place to start would be with either a psychologist or a mental health therapist depending on who is available for you to see. Then, if it is determined psych med's should be considered, that would be the time to see a psychiatrist.

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I would recommend a psychologist or any person that wants to support you into solving the problems rather than taking meds.
Same as with meds for physical symptoms, it can reduce the symptoms, but it doesn't solve the problems, so you might have to endlessly take meds, possibly take more meds for the side effects of the other meds with the chance things only get worse. Sometimes problems can be quite easy to solve by finding flaws in a person's thinking or behavior or maybe the behavior of the people in the environment of a person have a certain effect on the person this person doesn't fully understand and therefore doesn't know how to deal with it properly.

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You might want to look into DBT group therapy. That seems to be the go to therapy for personality disorders. None of the messy misunderstandings that often come with 1:1 therapy.

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Thanks! I've always wanted to go but have shied away for many reasons. At 7 yo I yearned to go due to bullying & feeling 100% different than anyone else. Now I want to go and just pour my heart out, my whole life crazy insane out of this world story, all the odd things I've been into but I'm afraid they'll not know what to do with and just kinda push me away in a nice way or not do much with me accept take my money. I mean, ... I love science to the point of teaching myself electrical & software engineering & physics to a very high level of designing hundreds of circuits, written thousands of computer programs, made huge breakthroughs in physics, but at the same time I've spent decades in spirituality. I can hear what in modern spirituality are called "spirits," which I have my own unique theory about. I think that I either live in some kind of a simulation or dream reality, which one of these days I'd like to test. I mean, to be honest there're are plenty of academic scientists who have similar ideas and want to test them, but I've never met anyone who's into all the things I'm into. They're always into just one thing, while I have a dozen globally monumental projects that would effect the entire world like Tesla & Edison gave the world light, in addition to being "clairvoyant" etc etc. Also I'm very unstable, easily triggered, suicidal because I hate the world I live in, but yet to be honest I love myself sooooooooooo much lol! What if I don't agree with the psychologists recommendations? I just see things so differently than most people. How would even find one? I would want to see one who's very open-minded, who's intelligent & extremely knowledgeable, who would first try natural remedies that mainstream has proven works on a good percentage of people with ADHD such as yoga, meditation, zinc, magnesium, Inositol, possibly Ginkgo Biloba.

Idk, I want to pour my heart out to some who's intelligent but caring, who's not going to just listen, ... but at the same time it seems like a waste of time and money given my past history. Sadly enough, to be honest I just see humans as people are extremely unintelligent emotional nearly 100% of the time. I can be emotional too. I love art. I love romance even though I've never got myself to even have a girlfriend, I'm a gen-x. I've day dreamed countless times of living in Paris with a girlfriend having romantic nights that it always brings tears to my eyes. Ugg I feel pulled in two directions. Nothing ever works out good for me when it comes to interacting with humans. And all of this is just a drop in the bucket. I would feel sorry for any psychologist who would have to listen to me. I'm different, like maybe a different species lol. I wish there was a solution!
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I would recommend a psychologist, the best thing to do (if you don't have are recomendation) is to interview a few via a phone conversation; you can get a pretty good idea if they can help you with what your issues are.
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feeling 100% different than anyone else.
What makes me wonder is why you feel 100% different than anyone else. In the past I've had experiences that were a bit strange, but I always thought this was normal. Later I found out I have an ability not all people have to pick up thoughts, feelings and the images in someones head. This explained a lot of what happened in my past. I was also able to predict the future sometimes in some way, which I later saw as a guess of my body based on signals I picked up.

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I'm afraid they'll not know what to do with and just kinda push me away in a nice way or not do much with me accept take my money.
If you think about that pretty much anyone can study something to have a job that matches with their study, it is likely there will be a lot of people who are not suitable to give proper support with certain problems. What I've often seen happening that people went to several therapists, asked them questions to see if they have knowlegde in a certain area before finding one that could help them.

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I can hear what in modern spirituality are called "spirits," which I have my own unique theory about. I think that I either live in some kind of a simulation or dream reality, which one of these days I'd like to test. I mean, to be honest there're are plenty of academic scientists who have similar ideas and want to test them, but I've never met anyone who's into all the things I'm into.
I don't think I can hear spirits, but I've often picked up thoughts and feelings of people I hadn't had contact with for a while, it might be something worth looking into if you think you might have something like this as well.

I don't know what you mean by a dream reality, but sometimes dissociation can appear like a person is in a dream.
I've also never met a person who is interested in knowing more or has knowlegde about all the things I'm interested it, but with some people I talk about spirital things, with others about psychological things.

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Also I'm very unstable, easily triggered, suicidal because I hate the world I live in, but yet to be honest I love myself sooooooooooo much lol! What if I don't agree with the psychologists recommendations? I just see things so differently than most people.
The way how I see things is that I see things different because I had very different experiences in my life that made me learn and develop different things in order to survive. Sometimes I've had people in my life that tried to teach me things in a way as if what they were thinking had more value than what I thought, just to realise they barely had any knowlegde about what they were talking about. They probable thought they knew things better because of perceived success that made them think they were also more knowlegdable in certain other areas. I personally saw this as very simplistic thinking, but nonetheless I can say I sometimes also had moments where I hated the world and saw the world as one big mess of people mistreating other people without realising this.

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How would even find one? I would want to see one who's very open-minded, who's intelligent & extremely knowledgeable, who would first try natural remedies that mainstream has proven works on a good percentage of people with ADHD such as yoga, meditation, zinc, magnesium, Inositol, possibly Ginkgo Biloba.
Some have websites where they explain what kind of support they give, their way of supporting people and believes they have.

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Idk, I want to pour my heart out to some who's intelligent but caring, who's not going to just listen, ... but at the same time it seems like a waste of time and money given my past history.
I've wasted money with support that didn't really help me that much, but sometimes also things that weren't very helpful made me realise something I thought of because what this person said.

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Sadly enough, to be honest I just see humans as people are extremely unintelligent emotional nearly 100% of the time.
I find that interesting actually, what this could be, are you maybe surrounded with people with a very low awareness that made you develop a high awareness to cope with it?

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Nothing ever works out good for me when it comes to interacting with humans. And all of this is just a drop in the bucket. I would feel sorry for any psychologist who would have to listen to me. I'm different, like maybe a different species lol. I wish there was a solution!
Same goes for this.
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Thanks for the replies. I'll try to find a psychologist. I have no idea what to expect so maybe there're some youtube videos. In movies it seems to vary a lot. Old movies they are often laying down in some table in a dark room. In modern movies people just sit in a well lighted room in a couch facing a therapists, which seems very uncomfortable to me unless I was normal. Abnormal people don't like people looking at them.

I didn't know people could talk directly to the psychologist over the phone but that sounds like a good idea.

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I find that interesting actually, what this could be, are you maybe surrounded with people with a very low awareness that made you develop a high awareness to cope with it?
LOL that's an interesting theory. The answer that comes to mind is "humans." One day I'd like to know humans a lot better, to learn more about the average person. Till now my desire has been to run as far away as possible.
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Dear Stahrgeyzer, I wish so much that I knew where your therapist is. I know they are out there. I've had really good ones, ordinary ones, & terrible ones. You would be extremely interesting to the therapist you're looking for. And you would develop a wonderful rapport with them. I had that twice, out of many therapists, & I'll always remember them with love & gratitude. And I remember what they told me, & I still thank God for them. I wish with all my heart that you will find that special person. It's not just what they know. It's who they are. Also, maybe you can use your mind to send your request through the Universal field (supplied by our creator), via loving energy & vibrations, to reach the right people who can help you. Lots of hugs to you!!
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Does this psychologist seem appropriate for me? She came up in the search for Borderline, Social Phobia, & ADHD. Surprisingly her office is very close to where I live but I have no idea how much she charges. Does any care to take a wild guess how much she would charge per session?? Thanks!

Her page on goodtherapy:

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I found on her website:

Psychotherapy sessions are approximately 50 minutes and my session rate is $200.

Does $200 per 50 minute sessions sound normal?

It says she's a Clinical Psychology. I don't know much about that type of psychology but google it says they diagnose mental disorders.
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A clinical psychologist is probably your best bet, in my opinion. She knows about things like major depression & when you have a nervous breakdown. She will send you to a psychiatrist or other medical doctor if you need meds, because her doctorate isn't in medicine, it's in psychology. She studied lots of things about the mind & the brain & behavior. She can give you skills & encourage you. I don't know what the average rate is. But $200. sounds reasonable. Maybe others here at PC will know. If you can afford it, I think you should give her a try. If she isn't right for you, you will probably gain a little bit of knowledge from her & you can take that with you when you try someone else. But maybe she's the one you're looking for. I'll be crossing my fingers for you.
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Thanks. She offers a free phone call, and it seems I can use email instead, to get to know me to see if we're a good match. The email seems better for me but I don't know what to say. I want to just tell her I might be a little too crazy and that 1 - 2 times per month I go through intense suicide that leads to crazy depression but after years I never do it because of fear, ... etc etc etc etc.

... And I would be afraid to death to tell her of all my thoughts about reality & about me, especially in person. Is there anyone at PC who appears completely weird and crazy according to normal people who has told their psychologist? I would love to know how you did it and what your psychologist said.
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I'd say the price a bit higher than average, most people from what I know charge half of it.
She seem to give support for a lot of different problems, good thing is that it is likely she can also provide support with your problems, but it's possible she might be less specialized in the specific problems you have. Also your feelings can say a lot, if based on what a person writes or says you think this might be a right person to help you, it usually says something, same thing when you get a negative feeling about something.

There are things in this video that made me think of something you wrote, it might be something helpful.
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Is he talking about trump? lol
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I would be afraid my psychologist will ask me those kind of questions-- Who do you want to be? My answer would be "I want to be dead and cease to exist!" How do psychologist handle that? Anyone else would just want to stop talking to me
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Cool, two more Psychologist. Here's the message I sent to them

To:
Douglas Johnson, Ph.D.
Douglas Johnson, Ph.D., Psychologist in Hermosa Beach, CA 90254
Jeremy Bartz, PhD
Jeremy Bartz, PhD, Psychologist in Torrance, CA 90505

Hi,

I hope this isn't too much info, but I was wondering if you specialize in any of the following, and if so then how much are your sessions and the duration. I've never seen any type of therapist. Here're some of the online tests I've taken:

Avoidant Personality Disorder (score: 1200 out of 1200. Over 400 is highly likely)
Borderline Personality Disorder (42 out of 50)
Bipolar (36 out of 50)
Anxiety Screening: (30 out of 40)
ADHD/ADD (26: moderate)
Schizoid Personality Disorder (56% chance: moderate)
Paranoid Personality disorder (23: likely)
Aspie: (26 out of 50: slightly)
PTSD (19: may Be Likely)
Suicide (high risk)

No for the following: OCD, Narcissistic, Psychopathy, Sociopath, Schizotypal, Depersonalization, Schizophrenia
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Dear Stahrgeyzer, I don't usually click on those blue things people offer, like links & youtube, because I'm limited, technologywise. So I didn't click on yours. But I'm going to reread your questions & try to answer the ones I can. You certainly do research thoroughly! More than most people do, I'm sure. You would make a great researcher. I agree with Blueskyx about listening to your feelings, your intuition, to help guide you. I believe in that. But be careful about your fears & being afraid of everything. I know about that too well. God bless you! Lots of hugs to you!!
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Dear Stahrgeyzer, I reread what you said earlier & have numbered the issues I thought I could answer: 1. You don't know what to say to the therapist & wonder if yov're a little too crazy, with intense thoughts of suicide, & crazy depression, etc. - In my opinion, you should tell the therapist you've decided on all these things. That's what he or she needs to know in order to help you. So they know what they're dealing with. 2. You say you would be afraid to tell the therapist of all your thoughts about reality. - With this one, I would say wait until after you've gotten to know the person & use your instincts. I was able to talk about such things with a very wonderful psychiatrist many years ago & got great answers. But I never talked about those things with anyone else. I kind of know the the answers, more & more as time goes on. It would take too long to explain what I mean about that. You are also spiritual, so you want to be careful who you share your precious thoughts & feelings with. Some of them are sacred & should be safeguarded within your heart & only shared with special people. On the other hand, some of our feelings are a form of dissociation, which protects us from those things that are just too much for us to bear. And
usually that will fade away with time. 3. - You also wonder how psychologists handle death wishes. I think most of them have heard it before. And for all you know, they may have felt that way themselves in the past. Just play it by ear. That's what many of us do. Get to know your therapist & let your intuition guide you. I wish the very best for you!! Lots of hugs to you!!
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Thanks! You're braver than me. The 2nd psychologist guy never replied. He's the one I told about hearing "spirits." He probably doesn't want to deal with another crazy person. I never contacted the lady psychologist yet. She seems the most caring but only gives 50 minutes per $200 while the 1st psychologist guy gives 90 min / $200 or 60 min / $150.

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