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Default Apr 21, 2019 at 01:11 PM
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Stuck1n Head—. This might be a career area (trading on eBay, instructor, etc)for you since you seem to have an aptitude for this. However since you haven’t always been stable, maybe you should lock them up (or ask your dad to do this) when you aren’t feeling well. If this sounds strange, reader, pls understand that this young man has had a lot of difficulty finding a career path , which has been very distressing to him.
Gun control is such a complicated subject as shown by the diversity of responses here. I believe they should restrict sub machine guns more. More control, more training would be good. I was an elem school teacher and whatever is causing school shootings should be nipped in the bud, definitely.

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@luvyrself the more that I'm learning the more sui ideation seems to be pairing up with part of what needs to be considered in finding solutions to these events. The complication with that, however, as members of places like PC know, is that not every individual that has ever considered that as an alternative solution to their life is capable or even interested in murderous rampage.
Does someone like Eskie, who has openly discussed her past deserve to be stripped of her right to guard her lone self and her pets whilst out on her property or in nearby hills and mountains? Which, I mean, how do we use the MH system as a means of prevention?
These weapons are typically procured at gun shows but how do we regulate the difference between innocent usage and ill intent? Machine guns are illegal and I could point out hundreds of innocent hunting usages to the AR which is mearly but a company logo and not an accronymn that has been planted through barrages of being drilled into minds through media, such as sport and hunting and it simplifies the process. Bump stocks are illegal. Modifying anything legal is illegal.

And I'm with you....how do we make the bleeding stop? How do we get individuals to stop being heinous?
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Question Apr 22, 2019 at 04:32 AM
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I got into guns when I was sixteen and I moved to Virginia USA. Before then I never touched a gun since I lived abroad. But I had a very natural gift when it came to handling and shooting a firearm. I was a great shot and could easily out shoot those with much more experience than I. So I began competing and that led to carrying. Then not carrying, to buying and selling, etc...
I live in Europe where most guns are illegal, or very tightly circumscribed. I'm glad not to live in a US state where most people carry.

I have a question StuckInHead. Seems like you've stepped on from being skilled at something and winning competitions to dealing in guns without much thought. Don't you think that dealing in guns carries a responsibility for whether the guns that you sell might be used to kill a person?

It's an honest question, not trying to trap or answer for you but just wondering about the processes involved. I once had to decide between killing someone with a knife or potentially dying myself, and in that moment I knew that killing is too much responsibility for me to carry. Granted that was an individual family member so the responsibility was personal, but the prospect of me dying instead was very real. I have "a thing" about human life. I do fantasise about killing, but I would have to be reduced to a state of desperation over a long period of time to do it.

A second question to US friends here: from when I first lived in some very dangerous localities (1970's) up to the present, I and other people have noticed a difference in public response to violence because weapons have changed. 50 years ago there was a lot of street violence, but onlookers would almost always intervene. Fights (apart from Mafia stuff) were usually using knives, stones, bottles and fists. Now we've had terrorists using automatic weapons. There is a lot less street violence but when it happens people run away. People from a cross section of ethnicities are noticing this.

Nowadays there is an element of fantasy about fighting - gaming and such - because young people have probably never seen someone killed or injured in their daily life. When people are dead from street violence in your neighbourhood, that makes you seriously consider self-defence and the value of human life. That person's death is on your shoulders for ever.

It's odd that having safer, easier living conditions seems to have generated less, not more respect for human life?

Having lived in some violent neighbourhoods I'm prepared to fight, but I take public security very seriously. I appreciate going out of my front gate without fear of gun violence. Killing someone isn't a fantasy game?

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Default Apr 22, 2019 at 04:49 AM
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As an aside, I also wonder about how the US public have started saying that people aren't out of adolescence until 24 years old, and your young people can't drink until 21 - yet you can fight in the military and carry firearms. Or am I mistaken? So far as I know in Europe age of maturity is 18 for everything. People don't say, "oh at 24 his brain was still undeveloped so he isn't responsible"...… just my curiosity about maturity and responsibility.

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I live in Europe where most guns are illegal, or very tightly circumscribed. I'm glad not to live in a US state where most people carry.


I have a question StuckInHead. Seems like you've stepped on from being skilled at something and winning competitions to dealing in guns without much thought. Don't you think that dealing in guns carries a responsibility for whether the guns that you sell might be used to kill a person?


Selling guns does have responsibilities attached to it. Now I probably don’t do as much as I should when I do sell a gun.

Hmm, if a gun I sold was used to commit a crime I would feel some guilt but after all a gun is a inanimate object and they don’t commit the crime. It’s the person wielding the gun that commits the crime.
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As an aside, I also wonder about how the US public have started saying that people aren't out of adolescence until 24 years old, and your young people can't drink until 21 - yet you can fight in the military and carry firearms. Or am I mistaken? So far as I know in Europe age of maturity is 18 for everything. People don't say, "oh at 24 his brain was still undeveloped so he isn't responsible"...… just my curiosity about maturity and responsibility.
You just tapped into public perception in the States, actually
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I had a Sears .22 semi and an old Cooey 12 gauge single-shot when I was a kid. My Dad had a Winchester 30.30 for moose. When he passed I just gave them all to my brother-in-law.
I had innumerable BB and pellet guns growing up...all us kids were walking arsenals in that regard. Those all just disappeared over time. Traded/sold etc.

I'd love to have my old .22 back but there's nowhere really to use it where I now live. I grew up in a rural place and spent summers on the Atlantic coast...If I can't replicate that then I have little interest. The good ol' memories will do.
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Default Apr 22, 2019 at 02:34 PM
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Our local sheriff who held the CC class I went to suggested I get a shot gun for in my house. He said that anyone breaking & entering who hears the cocking of a shot gun will run in the other direction....no need to shoot. First gun I shot was a rifle. Lol....I was surprised I hit the target first try.

A little background on why I was surprised.....in Junior High I had friends who liked to target practice with bow & arrow. My first attempt to aim at the target, the arrow went up & over the house & landed in the back yard. I was so embarrassed I swore at that time I would NEVER do anything that required shooting at a target.

My alone life on my farm is giving me a second chance at all those things I didn't do well as a kid because I never had anyone willing to teach or guide. Lol....still not interested in bow & arrow shooting even though we have that hunting season here where I live. All the woodsy creatures around here KNOW my farm is a SAFE zone.

Shooting for me is either target practice or in worst case it would be self defense.

I will say that I think many people who do the mass shootings place no value on human life. Conditioned by movies & "technicolor blood" to not really see the real effect. But then I have another theory on some of the shootings but that is NOT what this thread is about.

@saidso. I think some of the problems with maturity levels becoming higher in the US is that there is no draft where young people are put into a place where they have to learn how to survive. Many live at home & go to college until they are older & that may not even be getting an advanced degree....but just fooling around in college trying to figure themselves out. Many parents no longer kick their kids out of the nest & make them fly on their own. The movie "Failure to Launch"comes to mind.

Those who end up in the military & those who do get out on their own, mature sooner than those who continue to be cared for by their parents until a much older age. Our society differs so much there is not a one description fits all kinda thing here & different states have different laws we to adult ages too for drinking & owning guns.

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As an aside, I also wonder about how the US public have started saying that people aren't out of adolescence until 24 years old, and your young people can't drink until 21 - yet you can fight in the military and carry firearms. Or am I mistaken? So far as I know in Europe age of maturity is 18 for everything. People don't say, "oh at 24 his brain was still undeveloped so he isn't responsible"...… just my curiosity about maturity and responsibility.

I don't know who made that crap up but yes, that is the newest thing. I call BS. Anyone past the age of 6 knows right from wrong. End of.

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@luvyrself the more that I'm learning the more sui ideation seems to be pairing up with part of what needs to be considered in finding solutions to these events. The complication with that, however, as members of places like PC know, is that not every individual that has ever considered that as an alternative solution to their life is capable or even interested in murderous rampage.
Does someone like Eskie, who has openly discussed her past deserve to be stripped of her right to guard her lone self and her pets whilst out on her property or in nearby hills and mountains? Which, I mean, how do we use the MH system as a means of prevention?
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And I'm with you....how do we make the bleeding stop? How do we get individuals to stop being heinous?
—- as I wrote my post I started to wonder if it is even wise to discuss guns on a mental health website , but the thread did turn out to be diverse and thought provoking. I didn’t mean the op might hurt others , tho from what you say they are investigating that type of ideation. People can get guns whether they r legal or not. As
a former teacher I know that studies do strongly indicate that violent vIdeo games do promote violence (making people more used to violence) tho this infuriates gamers). I moved to Phoenix from LA where attitudes towards gun control are very different. Here they even have concealed carry permits. It has been a good learning experience for me to remember how American history comes into play on this subject. I myself feel safer without guns, and hope that everyone uses their best thinking in deciding whether or not they have the self control necessary to own them.

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—- as I wrote my post I started to wonder if it is even wise to discuss guns on a mental health website , but the thread did turn out to be diverse and thought provoking. I didn’t mean the op might hurt others , tho from what you say they are investigating that type of ideation. People can get guns whether they r legal or not. As

a former teacher I know that studies do strongly indicate that violent vIdeo games do promote violence (making people more used to violence) tho this infuriates gamers). I moved to Phoenix from LA where attitudes towards gun control are very different. Here they even have concealed carry permits. It has been a good learning experience for me to remember how American history comes into play on this subject. I myself feel safer without guns, and hope that everyone uses their best thinking in deciding whether or not they have the self control necessary to own them.


I too feel like that video games have led to violence becoming more commonplace.

I guess the reason I started seeing firearms as a means to defend myself is due to my educational background. Studying criminal justice for five years can be a real eye opener into the nature some people have. Plus when you talk about crimes committed with firearms pretty all day in classrooms one would get rather paranoid. Even though the US is currently experiencing the lowest crime rate it has ever had. Though the news media would leave one to believe otherwise.
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I guess the crime rate is low because the economy has been good for a long time. There are lots of jobs in criminal justice. You would probably be a good 911 dispatcher with your training, and there must be many other opportunities. Would you consider pursuing something in the criminal justice field?

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Even though I do not own a gun and probably never will I wouldn't want to infringe on someone elses' right to own one.

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