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Open Eyes, to me what you are describing is an empathic person. Which a a little different from empath (in my understanding) though empaths can be empathic, they aren't always / not all of them are.
Grieving for those who choose to hurt even though they chose that path.

That's what my therapist consistently noticed me challenged with. He wants me to call someone a B*I*T*C*H and a Jerk and an Azzhole freely without feeling bad or feeling cognitive disonance about it.

It's similar to a person being able to empathize somewhat to a person that empathizes to much at times. There is a spectrum to it.

It's not about having some kind of angel powers either, like I mentioned, that's leaning supernatural and science fiction.

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Grieving for those who choose to hurt even though they chose that path.

That's what my therapist consistently noticed me challenged with. He wants me to call someone a B*I*T*C*H and a Jerk and an Azzhole freely without feeling bad or feeling cognitive disonance about it.
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Wow! We should all be more like you.


Curious, you don't have to answer, I hope it's not to personal of a question, but do you feel the same way about those who have hurt you?
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Wow! We should all be more like you.


Curious, you don't have to answer, I hope it's not to personal of a question, but do you feel the same way about those who have hurt you?
It brings me deep grief Woven.

Not so sure other's would want to be what I am. It's often very misunderstood.
My therapist has spent a lot of time with me about it and explaining it. One of the reasons you don't share it is the response is "oh and you think you are just so great with you special power!". It's not like that AT ALL.
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Wow! We should all be more like you.


Curious, you don't have to answer, I hope it's not to personal of a question, but do you feel the same way about those who have hurt you?
If you've ever read her threads about her sister, it took her years to even come close to call her very abusive sister even abusive. Now she admits her sister is toxic, but it's still hard to get her to stop having so much empathy for her sister. One thing I know about OE is that her heart will bleed for someone who stabbed her in the back and she'll forgive them instantly for doing so because of the pain she knows they are going through...even though she's just been stabbed herself.

I've been called an empathetic person (at least on my better days). What OE experiences, which I have also witnessed from her, is a different level of empathy. And I wouldn't call it supernatural, but it's a special talent of being comfortable with other people's negative emotions and not being pushed away by them or uncomfortable, but being able to help them process those emotions - even to her own, or the empath's own detriment - like when dealing with a narcissist.

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If you've ever read her threads about her sister, it took her years to even come close to call her very abusive sister even abusive. Now she admits her sister is toxic, but it's still hard to get her to stop having so much empathy for her sister. One thing I know about OE is that her heart will bleed for someone who stabbed her in the back and she'll forgive them instantly for doing so because of the pain she knows they are going through...even though she's just been stabbed herself.

I've been called an empathetic person (at least on my better days). What OE experiences, which I have also witnessed from her, is a different level of empathy. And I wouldn't call it supernatural, but it's a special talent of being comfortable with other people's negative emotions and not being pushed away by them or uncomfortable, but being able to help them process those emotions - even to her own, or the empath's own detriment - like when dealing with a narcissist.

Just my two cents.
I have not read about her sister, no.

However, I HAVE noticed your ability, OE, to talk to off-putting people. And help them. And not be put off yourself.
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If you've ever read her threads about her sister, it took her years to even come close to call her very abusive sister even abusive. Now she admits her sister is toxic, but it's still hard to get her to stop having so much empathy for her sister.
YES!!! She broke my heart so badly. So much GRIEF.

So much therapy about her.

She is the one who claims to have "special powers" and an empath, she is a drama queen. It is thought she may be a malignant narcissist. Very sad!
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YES!!! She broke my heart so badly. So much GRIEF.

So much therapy about her.

She is the one who claims to have "special powers" and an empath, she is a drama queen. It is thought she may be a malignant narcissist. Very sad!
OE, I really appreciate you saying this, if only so that I, and anyone else who may want to know you, can, and I very much more see where you are coming from. Thank you. I am a big fan of communication. Again, I very much appreciate your words.

I am VERY sorry to hear that about your sister hurting you. I can only imagine.

I have been hurt by ppl like that before and it has certainly left a negative scar for me. I can only imagine the pain of it being your sister.

Yup, therapy is where I'd go too.

You seem like a very strong person OE, I admire you and your skill / gift, it may be a pain for you and I'm sorry to hear that though it is also impressive!
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TunedOut, you are not being arguementative. I think you are thinking about empaths as being psychic and that's not what they are.

An empath remembers challenges in another as injuries or need, naricissists USE the injuries or challenges to enact revenge once the empath or anyone really doesn't see things THEIR way and give THEM the power and control. Drama queens need to express some kind of super power so they often say "I am an empath". That's not and empath, it's not some super power or anything superior which emotional vampires need so much of.

As I mentioned, many see it the way it has been portrayed in science fiction, it's not something science fiction at all. Most empaths have strong connections with animals too. Not for servicing, but for caring and there IS a difference.

Just trying to provide some examples to help people understand so they don't get it confused with the supernatural. And it's NOT about being a perfect person either or seeing everything perfect. Which is actually often what contributes to their understanding more, because they themselves are NOT some kind of perfect but that's not the be all and end all with them either.
Perhaps you are all right--psychics and empaths are not the same but IMO, there are some empaths who are also psychic. Perhaps it is not at all psychic but empathic instead, but I have noticed that when I am calm and truly focussed on the other person, I do read and respond to their emotions well. When I am upset/hypo/etc, I get too talkative and miss more of all the signals they send out. I have taugh 287 classes with VIPKID and can play all the classes I have taught back--though my kids are mostly happy and uplifting, I can tell when they are down and find ways to make them smile and feel listened to. Mostly I do it very well but can sometimes talk too much and not zone in on them properly. Good teachers make their students feel loved and listened to so an empath with a good heart makes a wonderful teacher.

Open Eyes, you are a empath with a heart of gold. You help so many here including me. Thank you for that but remember to take a break from posting when you feel triggered because that is a signal that you need to care for yourself rather than others for a while. I hope all your legal troubles are behind you so that you can create a large distance between you and your sister. I do believe in karma and that good people are eventually rewarded. The universe does not forget and eventually balances things.
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@TunedOut, I have seen your posts in different threads, you have a kind heart. I see that you try to understand different members and that you try to be considerate and respectful and have shown to be a caring individual.

I am not so sure there is actual supernatural psychic powers. I do however think a person can hone in on things about another individual or life situation and develop a theory about what may happen due to a pattern that has been already taking place. Considering the human brain is set up for "navigation" and we all begin to navigate from the time we are born, even actually before we are born, it's only natural a person can develop ways of "predicting". There are so many ways we actually practice profiling and have for thousands of years. We do it when we try to solve crimes, we do this when we try to figure out what an enemy's next move might be, there are actually individuals who specialize in this and act as counsels and advisors.

There are individuals who spend time creating a psychic advertisement they send out to MANY people telling them what appears to be special information just for them personally. "Oh, I see you are suffering, I am picking up signs that have drawn me to you telling me I must help you". They even can present a lengthy seemingly special letter outlining how they see you and the predicament you are in and if you contact them "for a fee", they can make sure you get protected and may even gain wealth. They actually make money from so many people that believe "they are special and should spend money so they can be protected in some way". It's not "real", it's just taking advantage of individuals who may believe something supernatural is reaching out to them. These individuals know how to manipulate "feelings" and all those who tend to believe in "feelings are facts". Those who manipulate emotions and feelings are NOT empaths. Often, their true interest is in gaining power and control over. A lot of individuals who have this interest WANT power positions and often go into politics, both political parties. Sometimes, a person will deeply desire to achieve power to make up for the powerlessness they experienced in their childhood too. Yet, also, it's not black and white and in order to know more it requires interviewing an individual to learn their perspective and personal history.

A few days ago I happened across a thread and what I posted got very misunderstood. I ended up getting very triggered and flooded with a lot of my own history on this particular issue. It was a situation where if I explained what I shared and what my own personal history was on this kind of challenge it may have been better understood, however, that would have ended up making that thread about me so I just withdrew completely. A part of me wanted to talk about it for days though. Then I realized how the person who needed to sit with this history and think it through more was in fact myself. Also, even if I PM'd my own history and my reasoning, I would only continue to face an arguement which would only end up causing me to continue to feel invalidated and unheard and disqualified. So, the best thing for me to do in this particular challenge, was just distance. The last thing I needed was to be invalidated and disqualified considering my present life challenge dealing with so much of that the last thing I need is to add to that. However, even though I experienced that challenge, by sitting with what I had in my own history, it can contribute to my ability to empathize with another person that may express the same challenge I had faced. Also, a controlling person who needs to be right, always needs to think they have the right answer, more than likely will not see my pov, it's just what I have learned so many times in my life. I would rather be someone who can be the kind of person who can address a challenge like mine when it comes to that. So many unknowingly desire the black and white yet tout their opinion is gray when it's challenged. Ironically, that also tends to present in deciding an empath is not real and it's just science fiction crap. Or call themselves an empath because they need to believe they have some kind of special power about themselves. That is what my sister does, it's all about HER feelings because SHE is an empath when that's not at all what she is, her feelings are all about HERSELF and her constant need for control. It's actually gotten to the point where you can tell what she is doing because she projects it on others.
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Open Eyes, you are a empath with a heart of gold. You help so many here including me. Thank you for that but remember to take a break from posting when you feel triggered because that is a signal that you need to care for yourself rather than others for a while.
@TunedOut, This is very similar to what my therapist has been telling me too. I have actually been told by therapists that I should be a therapist myself quite a few times now. And I share that not in a way of "touting" any sort of superiority what so ever. My therapist has taken the time to explain to me that I am an empath and while that is a gift, it can also get emotionally draining and that I DO need to step back from it and practice more self care. Part of the reason I would make a good therapist is that I do show ability to sit with individuals privately and hear them and discuss how they can look at things differently empowering themselves. Actually, I did this when I experienced a post traumatic stress breakdown and ended up exhausted mentally, psychologically, physically, emotionally and ended up in a psych ward when that was the wrong place for me to go. I sat at a table with others who were struggling and sharing and when it came to my turn the first thing I did was address each of them before even sharing my own challenge. Well, these individuals ended up following me around wanting more and I realized how at that time I needed to focus on myself and my own healing. Yet, that was NOT the place I could do so.

One of my constant problems tends to be "Well if you know this then why are YOU struggling yourself?". The only one that could understand that was in fact a qualified trauma therapist that specializes in working with trauma patients. I do suffer from a mental illness called PTSD, there is no cure for it, some have it worse than others, and what someone who has it has to learn is how to manage it. And even with that, I do my best to share anything I have learned to do just that, it's no cake walk. And that in itself also is something that people can get that experience it differently depending on their own personal history and brain wiring too. It's not unusual for two individuals suffering from ptsd to trigger each other because of that too.

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I think there's a clear distinction between someone who can be empathic, ie, someone who senses, picks up on and absorbs the emotions of others, and someone who has paranormal abilities who is an empath. An empath in my understanding is someone who can literally read the precise emotions and thoughts of another person, just like a psychic does. Anyone who claims to be an "empath", according to the definition, has paranormal skills and abilities that others do not have.

I ran into an empath one time when I was out. He was sitting next to me, and suddenly started to "read" my energy and talk to me. He told me things about myself that were 100% true, including the fact that I wish to sing in a band. The information just flowed and poured out of him very quickly about me. I asked him if he was psychic, and he said he's an empath and that he can read and see into the energy of a person.

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I have heard about empaths a lot here. What makes one an empath? I have heard people say they are naturally born as an empath and others say they became and empath. Is there a way to study being an empath? Is it the same as being really intuitive and tuned into other people's emotions and experiences?
What is the layman's definition of an empath?

This is the definition I found. I would classify myself as an empath as it relates to the articles I googled. But is it really paranormal?
@sarahsweets, your question has provided you with different opinions about what an "empath" means. As you can see, some individuals, will insist there is some kind of paranormal "empath" with "special powers". These are the same people who will fall for the emails they get that tell them they are being picked up on by someone who has these "special" powers and there is often a letter which seemingly seems to understand THEIR personal needs. Perhaps the ONLY way for this kind of individual to "get it" is if they were able to see how this very same email was sent to MANY and the only thing that is unique is how their name is filled into places in the email so they can see their name and get drawn into the "scam" which is literally how someone makes money.

When I was in a psych ward because I experienced that post traumatic stress breakdown, I was sitting in a room with chairs and a TV and I was by myself sort of watching the TV. Mostly I was still in shock about everything, how I lost some much I had spent so many years creating and not matter how much I tried "all the kings horses and all the kings men could not put it back together again". I did not even know what a post traumatic stress breakdown was, and no one in that place explained it to me either. Truth is no one there was actually trained for that either.

Well, as I sat there a man came in and quietly sat down next to me. He looked at me and said "You are in so much pain, if you let me touch you I will take your pain away" and then he began to tell me he was Jesus and his purpose was to take the pain away for all those suffering. That is when I actually witnessed what a person experiencing "psychosis" acted like. That is what that man was exhibiting and he even followed me around a bit. He was experiencing psychotic episodes. When I was sitting there listening to him? A part me thought "if only you could take away all the pain I am experiencing". That did not mean this man had psychic powers in any sort of paranomal way.

There are lots of times someone can sit and say things to you that can hit something about you that you feel no one else could know. It must be they possess some kind of paranormal power. The reality is that we all have so much in common that it's not as hard as one might think to sit and say things that can appear to come from some paranormal source. That is why people do make money from these emails and other ways to offer some kind of "psychic" reading.

There will always be those that NEED to believe and may even need to believe they themselves have some kind of "special power" too. This has always been present throughout our human history too. It doesn't make it real or true, it's just something many need or choose to believe and most likely always have. What has been sad about that is how it often cost lives though. Even those who followed Jim Jones believe HE had special powers and they drank that poisen believing it was their only salvation. He was a messed up man that was drug addicted and often psychotic.

So, I suppose sarahsweets, you will indeed get differing opinions as there will always be those who embrace some kind of paranormal.

What I shared of what I learned from a professional psychologist is how in the field of studying human challenges and personalities there is a label that called "empath" but it's NOT paranormal or having special powers.

@TunedOut, I appreciate the video you presented. I liked how this man talked about learning how to distance from taking on the emotional needs of others. In a way, it's actually what I have tried to help others learn and instead focus on embracing who they are more.

Unfortunately, all some care about is gaining power over, and they often practice some very selfish and dysfunctional ways of navigating to gain just that. They NEED everyone to do things THEIR WAY and always see things THEIR WAY, and they will choose to emotionally abuse others who challenge them. When in reality each person has a right to find their own path, not just HOW OTHERS NEED IT TO HAPPEN FOR THEM. And often it's these other individuals that claim to have some kind of "special powers" . This is how my sister is, and she doesn't have any "special powers" at all but she NEEDS to believe she does. I think it's sad because my sister is a very distorted person who is getting worse and worse. She projects a tremendous amount of negative emotions onto others, it's gotten so bad it's embarrassing tbh.

My point in sharing what I have learned, is that's NOT what an empath is, it's not about having some special superior or paranormal power at all. Yet, as I mentioned, there will always be those who will need to argue that and embrace the paranormal, always been that way too.

And @sarahsweets, I have seen you do your best to EMPATHIZE with others. You have tried to tap onto your own life experiences to help others find healing as you have been embracing on your own life journey. We don't always fill that void in another, all we can do is stop and try here and there while at the same time remembering to practice self care for ourselves by not allowing that other person to emotionally control us. There are definitely those who will choose to do that, and when you say no, they typically have tantrums and stomp around needing to emotionally punish you in some way. It doesn't mean you are a bad person, instead it means you gave to a person that is not capable of appreciating it but instead just drew you into their emotional need web.

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I wanted to add that the human brain can actually play tricks on us. Some individuals can see things that are not really there, but they think they are there. There ARE disorders defined of these individuals, like in the movie/true story of "It's a Beautiful Mind" that was a portrayl of a real life individusl John Forbes Nash Jr. He suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. He saw people that did not exist in reality but they looked real to him.

When I went through life saving surgery and was coming out of the anesthesia, I hallucinated and saw a room full of people, they were all blue and white instead of black and white and in the back was a young man that was the only one that had normal color. I was so frightened because it was like the room I was in had no walls and was instead filled with all these people, none of which were anyone I knew. I was not seeing ghosts when that happened, instead I was in fact only hallucinating due to the anesthesia which some people can experience when coming out of anesthesia. It did not mean I suddenly woke up with special powers, it was only my brain's reaction to what I was given and my surroundings.

My father in law was devastated when my mil passed and it was sudden and he did not expect it. He had been with her for about 70 years. He talks about experiencing times where he is sitting in his parlor and he has the TV on and he can see her sitting in the chair across from him. He gets so upset he has to get up and leave the room. I explained to him that given he had seen her sitting there so many times over so many years, his brain is actually used to seeing her sitting there and that CAN happen. I explained to him that he doesn't have to be afraid of it, it's just something that can happen from how our brain gets used to seeing something over many years. The brain does get used to experiencing a presence be it another person or even our pet that was there with us for many years. I myself have found myself so used to my little Happy that was so much a part of my life for over 17 years, that a part of me expected to see him, to need to feed him and to bring up to bed at night with me. Many will say, "his ghost is with you" and the truth is, my brain still feels and expects him to be there after so many years of him actually being a part of my every day life.

That is how our brains are, our brains record so much more than we realize. So, it's very easy for some to decide there is something paranormal taking place. Our brains take in more than we realize and at times our own minds can catch us by surprise.
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I wanted to add that the human brain can actually play tricks on us. Some individuals can see things that are not really there, but they think they are there. There ARE disorders defined of these individuals, like in the movie/true story of "It's a Beautiful Mind" that was a portrayl of a real life individusl John Forbes Nash Jr. He suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. He saw people that did not exist in reality but they looked real to him.

My father in law was devastated when my mil passed and it was sudden and he did not expect it. He had been with her for about 70 years. He talks about experiencing times where he is sitting in his parlor and he has the TV on and he can see her sitting in the chair across from him. He gets so upset he has to get up and leave the room. I explained to him that given he had seen her sitting there so many times over so many years, his brain is actually used to seeing her sitting there and that CAN happen. I explained to him that he doesn't have to be afraid of it, it's just something that can happen from how our brain gets used to seeing something over many years. The brain does get used to experiencing a presence be it another person or even our pet that was there with us for many years. I myself have found myself so used to my little Happy that was so much a part of my life for over 17 years, that a part of me expected to see him, to need to feed him and to bring up to bed at night with me. Many will say, "his ghost is with you" and the truth is, my brain still feels and expects him to be there after so many years of him actually being a part of my every day life.

That is how our brains are, our brains record so much more than we realize. So, it's very easy for some to decide there is something paranormal taking place. Our brains take in more than we realize and at times our own minds can catch us by surprise.
What if her spirit really does visit your father-in-law sometimes? What if the universe has more than one dimension? Perhaps our thoughts and beliefs are more powerful than we realize. A police officer once told me that his experience with mental illness is that is looks like they are suffering but in their head--they are the kings of their castle. When life becomes too unbearable, our soul's find other ways to seek what we desire. Perhap's seeing things is more common than people realize. People who are different sometimes have to keep things to themselves to thrive is society.
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It's ok to ask those questions @TunedOut. As I mentioned, so many choose to embrace the paranormal. However, there also can be explanations that show that there is a scientific reason for these visions, hallucinations, and why we can see something that isn't really there. We have been learning more and more all the time about the human brain and what our brains can do that can confuse us. It's ok to choose either way as some do choose and always have.

My own brain created an experience of my literally seeing that hospital room full of people, I was in fact hallucinating. I saw it with my eyes, it felt REAL to me. Yet, it was not real, no one else in that room experienced it and it has been learned that some react to anesthesia by hallucinating. John Nash had to learn that even though he had these visions that felt very real to him, they were in fact not real. My sister happened to see this light coming down the front stairs, she immediatly decided it was a ghost and that my parent's house is haunted. She had a ouigi board and seances and there were never voices at all. What she saw was NOT a ghost, it could have been mistaken as one, but all it was is how the car lights coming down the road and through a turn came into through the window and hit the wall on the front stairs making it look like a ghost coming down the stairs when that isn't what it was AT ALL. I have seen it for myself, it's just the lights of cars and that house is on a fairly busy road set close to the road and cars coming down the road in both directions often lead to the headlights shining through the windows creating what looks like ghosts but are not.

Can my MIL be visiting my FIL? It would be nice to think so, however, it scares him and it's very probable that his brain is so used to seeing her in that chair over so many years, that his mind just sees her there. It's very similar to a flashback. I have had those and they can be scary but I know it's not real, only something I experienced in my past. However, once I acknowledge the flashbacks, "yes that happened, but it's not happening now"? They faded away. Yet, when I experienced them, they sure did frighten and confuse me.

Lots of people want to believe TunedOut, and it's been like that probably since humanity began. It can cause more fear in someone though, and stress and feeling unsafe than is healthy for that individual. Sometimes it can be comforting and people like to believe because of the need for that comfort. Other times it can be very unheathy for someone and cause them to break down from fear. However, our brains collect a lot more information than we realize, and this is what we collect from when we are small. I love to see a good ghost movie, yet, I have never personally seen an actual ghost, and I lived for the longest in my parent's home, and the only thing that was there were the headlights, no actual ghosts. You can HEAR the cars going by when the lights come through the windows that present what can look like ghosts, but it's not really a ghost.

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When life becomes too unbearable, our soul's find other ways to seek what we desire. Perhap's seeing things is more common than people realize. People who are different sometimes have to keep things to themselves to thrive is society.
YES!! TunedOut, this is true in that our human brains are designed to look for answers and to question. It's what has helped us discover so many ways to address REAL physical and mental challenges. It has helped us discover so much about different diseases, causes and how to treat and heal. The miracles are in understanding and learning so we can heal so many different things that we were not able to understand and heal in our past. I have a cousin that figured out how to create an esophogus when there was none, that's not supernatural, it's a talent and something he learned how to do through practicing reconstructive surgery.

Yet, what he doesn't really know is that he had a great grandmother who survived as a single mother by taking discarded pieces of material and sewing them into something she could sell or use to mend something for someone else. That ability was already in his DNA. And he used that talent to restore human being's faces so they could look normal despite how burn or cancer ravaged them. It's not paranormal, it's something he had in his DNA. That's the real miracle. And his learning the actual science that could make what he did actually work too.
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That's always been the case in humanity. For a while individuals who were considered "different" were simply locked up in sanitariums. No one understood so many of the different ways a person's brain is wired as is understood now with dyslexia, adhd, autism spectrum, post pardom depression, ptsd, and many other challenges human beings face.

Houdini wanted to see if he could contact his mother whom he loved and missed dearly. He was a master of illusion, and yet he wanted to see if there was a way he could contact his mother. All his effort to do just that turned out to him exposing one psychic after another who only like himself, created "illusions".
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I do feel our personal sense of spirtuality is important, it's clearly an important part of our humanity as it has always been present. They have actually studied what happens in the brain of ANYONE who is engaging in whatever form of religion they practice and in each case regardless of the religion, they did notice a specific area of the brain lighting up and becoming very active. While it can be very positive and uplifting, it can also get out of hand and cause problems too. That has also been seen throughout our human history.

What I have done in my own response to sarahsweet's question is that there is an association of "empath" with some sort of supernatural, sciencefiction, paranormal ability. We see a lot of that in movies and programs about ghosts and the supernatural. And that's what sarah presented when she looked up the dictionary meaning of the word empath. Yes, many embrace that as being what an empath is.

However, there is another kind of "empath" that isn't supernatural or having special powers or is of any kind of paranormal. And it's different from being empathetic. That is what a professional explained to me about myself. I am not claiming any sort of special powers at all. Some get a sense of joy in tearing another down, need to feel superior, that's nothing I gain any pleasure from myself. I prefer to see someone embrace their own potential, and feel good about themselves without choosing to create suffering in others to do so and even choosing to embrace deception in order to gain some sense of power over.

I watched my older sister embrace ghosts and illusions and become more and more self deluded where she believes her own lies and delusions. I watched her become so mean and bossy and all the while embracing some kind of supernatural paranormal delusion. It's very, very sad and deeply troubling. In all honesty, it's as though she embraced the devil and evil instead. It's been very, very toxic and even embarrassing to see how it has affected so many different people so negatively including myself. She is a paranormally deluded drama queen who drains others with her endless emotional vampire behaviors. Only SHE has special powers, only SHE is superior and only SHE is an empath in the sense of THE supernatural science fiction BS. It's bad and sickening, and her world is nothing but lies and manipulations because of it. She cannot or refuses to see truth and realities, it just makes her angry and lash out and punish others in some extremely twisted and disturbing ways. And she doesn't really understand WHAT an empath is, and it's certainly not due to her being SO EMOTIONAL and needing her own emotions to stand out the most because she needs to feel superior in some way. Truth is, it's all about her feelings, not how others feel at all, she decides that for them, which has not been healthy at all or based on truth.

I think one has to be careful when it comes to embracing the idea of having some kind of paranormal supernatural powers. I have seen how destructive it can get.

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@sarahsweets I have not seen you active and I hope you are ok with all that's going on. I have noticed that you do spend time here on the boards where you post caring supportive things to others that are struggling. I thought about you last night when I watched my husband take time to set up an online meeting for all those who support each other one day at a time to stay sober. I walked by and could see different individuals talking and sharing how they have been trying to help those who are just beginning their path to living their lives sober. She was talking about everything that's been going on and how much stronger one needs to be to not use the one thing they self medicated with to "not feel". So many trying to find ways to reach out for support and offer support and some even call that need "someone" to comfort them and help them face all this challenge without self medicating. Due to all gatherings being closed, these individuals are trying to be creative and have meetings on line in video chats. It's nice to be able to see that, to see how people are helping and supporting and empathizing with others who struggle with the disease of alcoholism. With this lockdown taking place, I have been overhearing different conversations in a different way.

There is a respect for anyone who is working on learning to live their life sober giving them the right to have their own sense of a "higher power". I want to make sure that in all my responses to you that I am not saying to not have or believe in a higher power. What I have seen a lot of is how different individuals are engaging in "being empathetic" with others and showing respect for the challenge and their own personal sense of a higher power. I don't see them competing or engaging in tearing each other down. Most of their battle is within themselves. I have learned that a lot of these individuals have adhd and many also discover they are suffering from ptsd as well. Well, over the past 28 years of meeting many different "friends" my husband has made that are in the program, I have met a lot of individuals who have struggled within themselves and yet they are not "bad" people. Instead it's the disease they have combined with other life challenges that is "bad".

Recently someone threw something VERY mean at me, that I am unacceptible because I chose to forgive and learn about this disease and be a source of support even though I was hurt by what it does to someone. I have experienced that before in my life, I was "shunned" in very hurtful ways. And some did this shunning because they did not want to know THEY THEMESELVES also had a problem. I also noticed you had a thread where you apologized if you failed to be the right kind of supportive to others. Even though you struggle yourself, you do care about how your actions or words may have had a bad affect on others. You learned and embraced that step well. The truth is you can embrace empathy and have an empathetic personality that has absolutely NOTHING to do with paranormal or supernatural powers.

I did spend a lot of time here in your thread. And the reason I ended up doing that was because due to facing the challenges of what having a dyslexic brain and an adhd brainin someone I loved was something I had to learn about and I was guided and read a lot about these challenges so I did not punish someone for something they genuinely could not help and don't deserve to feel bad about.

Then, when I developed ptsd, I experienced these very vivid flashbacks that really frightened me. So I spent a lot of time and still do, reading about the brain and what is taking place in the brain itself that was causing me to experience these often very scary symptoms. I tried to pick up the pieces that were so badly destroyed in my life, tried to regain who I was. I would go out in my riding ring and work with a new pony training it and I would have these very real flashbacks of the pony I loved that I could not save. I did not know how to explain what I was experiencing at all, and I would just stop and put the pony away. I really frightened me and I did not know what to say or think about it. So, I began to read and read about the brain and why I was experiencing this. I would go into the barn and get feelings and visions of her in the stall I had set up for her and had these IV bags and all the time I was trying to feed her with syringes and talk to her. It was not a ghost, and it was not comforting at all, it was confusing and scarey.

@TunedOut, that's what my FIL has been experiencing when he sees my MIL sitting in the chair, that he gets so upset about he has to get up and leave the room, just the way I had to leave my riding ring. My FIL was traumatized by my MIL's passing, he really was taken by surprise by it because it was so sudden. And because I have read so much and learned so much about why I myself was experiencing that, I was able to help him understand it better, because it's not comforting, instead it's scary.

My contribution to this thread isn't about denying anyone how they embrace certain beliefs. However, there are ways these beliefs can be distorted and unhealthy. One of those distortions is in fact the kind of response I myself have gotten simply because I shared what a professional therapist explained to me about myself. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything "paranormal" or anything to do with possessing some kind of special powers at all.

One of the "distortions" I have noticed is when someone like my sister who is emotionally unstable decides to call themselves and empath when that's not the case but instead the desire is to FEEL she has some kind of superior power. My sister actually manipulated both my parents and myself to think she was being "empathetic" when she literally denied the fact that my father's teeth were in need of care. My sister kept saying "there is no money" and she even refused it when my older brother and I offered to pitch in and take my father to see a dentist because we were concerned for his health. My sister who claims to have special powers believes only SHE can determine things. What I did not know was how at that time she was withdrawing thousands of dollars FOR HERSELF. Because she denied him that important care for her own selfish reasons, my father collapsed with pneumonia and his heart was weakened with is what neglecting poor dental health and gum disease can lead to especially in the elderly. And when my father had to be hospitalized I was banned from visiting him or being able to talk to any of the health care professionals. Yet, I did manage to talk to a nurse and I begged her to PLEASE tell the doctor to look at my father's teeth.

My older sister is all about the paranormal, the psychic and putting herself in a role of having these SPECIAL POWERS. She is twisted and has actually abused and hurt others all the while claiming only SHE has these empathic powers and can talk to ghosts and can experience "feelings" about things. She literally projects her own narcissistic behaviors and lies onto others. If her opinion or way of needing to see things is threatened? She will use anything she can to hurt and smear and use against that person and claim to be "this victim". With all this Coronavirus taking place? She doesn't care but insisted every item had to be removed that are mine and my brother's from my parent's home. My brother has repeatedly explained how he gave permission to my husband and I to act as his agents as he lives out of state. Also, my brother has been battling cancer and with the danger's of this virus he CANNOT travel, his cancer doctors have told him not to travel and to isolate himself. That is not anything this so called "empath" my sister clams to be CARES about or thinks about but instead has refused to allow us to get the last item from my parent's home for him. Well, SHE is psychic and has these SPECIAL powers, and everything she FEELS is true due to her "special powers" and "psychic abilities" and how she talks to ghosts so that's all that matters to her.

My husband has gotten individuals he knows from the program to help him, it's VERY, VERY unhealthy for me to get near my sister physcially. My sister has treated these individuals absolutely horrifically. Ironically the latest person to help my husband was woman in the program that does odd jobs for him here and there, they tend to help either other that way in the program too. I had tried to help that way by paying someone to come here and help with the barn work to help the individuals have a sense of purpose while working on their sobriety. When I met this woman friend from the program, she reminded me a lot of you sarahsweets tbh, she is a nice person. I felt HORRIBLE that she was going to meet and experience this horrible monster of a sister I have. The person in my life who claims to be psychic and the true empath yet always the VICTIM and always needing the drama, drama, drama and wrapping herself in all this paranormal BS is going to leave yet another person with OMG, WOW, and may even end up triggered. That's what I see after my husband and anyone he finds to help him comes back expressing. Always that deeply disturbed look about them. The last guy got so triggered by my sister he talked about calling upber to get away from her. It's the way she gets right into your space, so negative and intrusive, for guys that want to turn around and punch her, ofcourse they don't but she is relentlessly so negative and intrusive.

I think it's important to be careful about embracing the paranormal and having some kind of power. I have seen how distorted and unhealthy it can get. For myself, I have done a lot of reading and learning about the brain. The brain is a very complex organism and there are reasons for lots of things we experience that have nothing to do with paranormal. What I experienced has nothing to do with paranormal either. I would be literally crazy as a loon by now if I embraced that. I choose to understand the whys instead of choosing to look at things like my older sister who is getting more and more toxic and delusional and deluded.

Things are not black and white, even though some find it easier to look at things that way. I prefer to learn about the brain and understand some whys instead making things up or embracing something that could simply throw someone into looking at things in delusional ways. Truth is a lot miracles can happen that don't have anything to do with the paranormal or some kind of supernatural. It's more due to this amazing thing called the human brain.

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