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Most animals in nature are accountable, instinctual and consistent (a form of robot I guess). Humans are one of the few species with such spontaneity, making them dangerous. But what if they weren't able to compute things like social justice, architecture, law and government (for example).

I think an equal distribution of wealth is a taunting and extremely good idea. We could all feel safe and be safe in that we would know what to expect and when. We could spend more time thinking about how to build the next tower and what color to paint the next house. And all the houses could even be the same color, creating a peaceful type of utopian world. We could then focus on important issues, such as conservation and efficiency, motivational practices and complex ideology with or without judgment Just a quick thought.
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Some people say this would make people lazy. Maybe, maybe not. There's always going to be lazy people, universal income or not.

We're the homeless capital of the world. I'd rather have "lazy" people on universal income than more and more people ending up on living on the streets. They can't make enough to feed, house, and clothe themselves. Everyone should have that.

There's no job security, even with a good paying job. If you lose your house, your job, etc., it's just "too bad". (That's the mindset I see here)
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Some people say this would make people lazy. Maybe, maybe not. There's always going to be lazy people, universal income or not.

We're the homeless capital of the world. I'd rather have "lazy" people on universal income than more and more people ending up on living on the streets. They can't make enough to feed, house, and clothe themselves. Everyone should have that.

There's no job security, even with a good paying job. If you lose your house, your job, etc., it's just "too bad". (That's the mindset I see here)
This does make people lazy because people are lazy and this is the natural human way. Bigger game, better dinner, badder doubt. Do less work, make more money. Yet we are all not able to accomplish the 'bigger, better, badder' lifestyle. We don't all aim to accomplish that kind of lifestyle. Often, it is lazy people who are living on the street. Although, I do like what people are capable of performing when that much time is given to them. Marionettes, dance, art, cicustry, painted standing figures, etc. I wonder what kind of opportunities were given to them??

And here, most of the population lives with excess. We can afford to feed, clothe, educate and house the homeless. We should. I thank you. And again, I agree with you noniteowl, there is little job security, more so in newer markets, and that is exactly where we are putting our attention. I can't speak for a high paying job since the most income I have been able to generate would be considered peanuts to some, but competition is a driving force and, unfortunately, is not the only driving force that keeps us at outs.
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I would like add that although I feel it is important to utilize local resources in managing your own mental health, much of the work has to be done at home, access to fancy healthcare or not. Often doctors do not emphasis preventative mental health care to those not actively seeking it out and I suppose are prone to assume the best. Things like generational differences and recessive traits are often looked over even when reported. Maybe because I have been an athlete and productive community member most of my life, I was not conscious of my problems until they surfaced as adult with limited access to healthcare. Maybe that is why DBT core skills and CBT are being encouraged within current systems, as many are lazy, many simple don't know what to do in an unstructured environment.
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Often, it is lazy people who are living on the street. Although, I do like what people are capable of performing when that much time is given to them. Marionettes, dance, art, cicustry, painted standing figures, etc. I wonder what kind of opportunities were given to them??

And here, most of the population lives with excess. We can afford to feed, clothe, educate and house the homeless. We should. I thank you. And again, I agree with you noniteowl, there is little job security, more so in newer markets, and that is exactly where we are putting our attention. I can't speak for a high paying job since the most income I have been able to generate would be considered peanuts to some, but competition is a driving force and, unfortunately, is not the only driving force that keeps us at outs.
I don't agree that it's mostly lazy people on the street. They are from all walks of life, and there's been a series in our paper about the homeless and their stories. Some are just like most people, except for the lack of shelter. In this country, a hard-working person can become homeless in a blink of an eye---one missed paycheck or one lost job. We have few safety nets here. It is so easy to end up like that if one loses their job and has no back up of any kind, no family, no friends, no one to give a ****. And you know employers don't give people a second thought when they show them the door. They could be putting someone on the street but what do they care?

And, just because one is working does not mean they are not lazy on the job. I've seen this first-hand, as well as from friends who work with people pulling less than their weight...Yet, they are getting paid.

Now with the government shutdown, many people don't know when they will get paid. Or they have to work without pay.


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Actually, we humans for the majority of our history as hunters-gatherers worked very little (we hunted a big game once every a while), and spent the majority of our time socializing and taking care of each others, exploring the world, and just ... having fun. The time humans have decided to settle down some 5000 years ago or so was the beginning of suffering for most humanity. Social hierarchy and slavery appeared only after we settled in villages and cities, and it continues in our society today in a form or another. Humans live longer on average now, sure, but this wasn't the case until recently (in the last 50 years).

Now most people work between 40-60 hours a week. There is no time for anyone, including children. The upside of AI is that maybe we can find more time to each others again. Maybe this is the purpose of humans after all. Work doesn't quench the soul's thirst, and people don't wish to have worked harder on their deathbeds. However, for this to happen, we need to restructure our society and economy, and redistribute the wealth in the age of AI where there will be less and less jobs for humans to do. Only time will tell what will actually happen. Humans are still resisting automation when they can. I know many customers don't use the self-check out machines because they take the cashiers jobs. Doctors are not convinced algorithms do better ... etc.

Honestly, regardless of what happens, when I think about the future, I feel a weird combination of excitement and fear. Such a feeling is almost euphoric joy for me I have difficult explaining it further.


Humanity has the potential to evolve into a race of demigods pretty much thanks to our technological advancements. If any humans from even 100-200 years ago were able to see what we're becoming they would think that we wield magic or something.


We just need to play our cards right. The next 30-50 years will be our hardest yet I think but if we are able to push through and survive, we will have a utopian civilization so advanced that even any gods that may exist would envy us.
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This does make people lazy because people are lazy and this is the natural human way. Bigger game, better dinner, badder doubt. Do less work, make more money. Yet we are all not able to accomplish the 'bigger, better, badder' lifestyle. We don't all aim to accomplish that kind of lifestyle. Often, it is lazy people who are living on the street. Although, I do like what people are capable of performing when that much time is given to them. Marionettes, dance, art, cicustry, painted standing figures, etc. I wonder what kind of opportunities were given to them??

This sentence rings true in so many ways.


Your "bigger game" mindset that you were describing is exactly what my end goal is in life. I want to make the most possible money with the least amount of work involved. I honestly couldn't care less about contributing to humanity because I know that there are people who are smarter, stronger, and lack my mental health issues doing that job better than I could hope to. My only motive is freedom and pleasure above all else.


I don't think I'm alone in this mindset either. I think we are going through a major paradigm shift right now because more people are waking up and realizing that working for 40-60 hours a week is making them unhappy. Millenials get such crap for being lazy but I think that people are just tired of struggling. There is already a major shortage of qualified people in certain jobs that require 8-12 hours of work each day like nurses, health professionals, firefighters, police, and other jobs that are important for a society to function. Also, there are an abundance of things one can do to make a decent enough living without working more than 30 hours per week that didn't exist 10-20 years ago.


Anyways, I know that I'm rambling at this point my bad haha
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I stand corrected. Thank you

There is nothing wrong with laziness anyways.


Humans evolved to seek knowledge and use their creativity for self fulfillment and problem solving, not do boring grueling work 40-60 hours per week.


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AI in medical diagnosis has not been validated. In psychiatry it is especially dubious since people's symptoms change and drug combinations are unique to individuals and moments in time. You might be able to treat high blood pressure mechanically, but there are many diagnoses, psychiatric included, that require a human ear, sensitivity, and insight. AI gives none of that. Careful what you wish for. You may end up very, very, sorry.
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