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Old 02-10-2020, 08:48 PM   #11
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I was just thinking that perhaps having everything written might become a pattern.

If the abuse of the vulnerable is documented overtime - it might present a series of patterns. These patterns might be enough for law enforcement to take notice, in which case they can investigate and perhaps expose wrong doings.


I suppose this is a good thing.

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HD can you give me an example of what you mean? I dont necessarily mean your own personal business (unless youre comfortable) but I am trying to wrap my head around how they are able to legally document these calls and then use them against you, especially when they are supposed to be anonymous.
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:05 PM   #13
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If you are ever drawn into litigation for any reason, what a complete stranger has written about you can harm you in many ways. And many of these people are volunteers.


Doesn't that scare you?

Perhaps this isn't a problem if everything that is written is accurate. But if there is no oversight, how do you know?


A court of law probably won't believe you if you say something that is written is untrue... Especially when you are mentally ill. This power imbalance is there at all times for any volunteer to exploit. Nothing stands in the way of their abusing power. Doesn't have to be malicious - when someone doesn't like you, they are more likely to write bad things about you.


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If you are ever drawn into litigation for any reason, what a complete stranger has written about you can harm you in many ways. And many of these people are volunteers.


Doesn't that scare you?

Perhaps this isn't a problem if everything that is written is accurate. But if there is no oversight, how do you know?


A court of law probably won't believe you if you say something that is written is untrue... Especially when you are mentally ill. This power imbalance is there at all times for any volunteer to exploit. Nothing stands in the way of their abusing power. Doesn't have to be malicious - when someone doesn't like you, they are more likely to write bad things about you.


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I had an experience with crisis lines back in 2013-14,> was just home after a cardiac arrest coma & brain injury , they told me to lean on crisis if I needed anything ( the brain injury wiped out all math ,including time ,hours weeks months ,tears meant nothing ) I have multiple sleep disorders and thought I was relearning time and such one of these crisis people ,had the utter gall to tell me ,my sleep disorder wherent possible ,";because they are incomparable with life" ,so out of frustration I told the guy "sont sit on the fence and hint at stuff ,your either telling me i am dead or I am liar ,which one are you going to state for the record " unfortunately for this individual 1. he enraged me 2. I had an auto recorder on my line , within a week of that conversation he was fired, because he didn't report the hole he dug for himself , he couldn't claim innocence when I had it on tape . I have never talked to them again ,and much to there frustration programmed my phone to block them from accessing my line ,so when they wanted to make sure I was still breathing they had to ring the doorbell. Honestly I have a bad habit of surviving ,even my closest friends wanted me to go into a nursing home because they thought I would not be able to survive taking care of myself and relearning all i needed to , it's not always been easy ,but it's 2020 I have survived , they had the same doubts when I had a stroke in 2016 ,of course they were much less verbal about it . That's why I have nothing to do with crisis people ,I know they ultimately safe lives ,when younger I worked on one before getting on the job ,if they are well trained and supervised they can be helpfull to people in various ways . Those that aren't are a public hazard .
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:15 PM   #15
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I agree with you Little Didgee. If only there was a way to seek help for abuse within Institutions without having legal records written about you. It is heartbreaking. The system is stacked against you from the get go because professionals and organizations can alter and falsify those records in prep for lawsuits, complaints, subpoena's, etc. Because everyone is afraid of litigation, and accountability, they are very careful with legal health record. Apparently it is actually written in policy that therapists HAVE to document session, it is literally a part of their ethical code of conduct... But why?


Records are used for communication with other clinicians and for the provider to keep track of the treatment(s) they have given.

I don't have much experience with distress lines. I called one once about 20 years ago and found it very uncomfortable discussing my problems with a stranger, so I never used the service again. - Most mental health services I have used were very disappointing.

Records can definitely be inaccurate. Clinicians sometimes get clients mixed up with others or get the totally wrong impression. I read in one discharge summary that I had substance use disorder, which I never ever had. The author also got a few other details wrong. He obviously mixed me up with another patient.
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again also many times the number of calls etc is used to justify funding for these lines as well. someone has to pay for them and their staffing, equipment etc. as opposed to keeping track of everyone's deep dark calls....I imagine call records are kept to some extent for patterns etc because suicidal intent should not be taken mildly (or any other types of crisis calls) but budgetary needs are also a need as well...especially in this time of mental health budget cuts.
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