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I have the same trouble. While I haven't my RMR done professionally, I've entered my stats into a few different online BMR and TDEE calculators. I come up with 1600 calories to lose weight. When I stick with it, I don't sleep for the hunger and I experience the same symptoms you have - those of one who is under eating by too much. Which makes me wonder, "what the hell, body?!" I'm not actually starving myself, why does it seem like my body goes into some sort of starvation, survivival mode, at which seems to me(from what I've been reading) like a modest deficit in calories. My body just refuses to do even that slow and safe weight loss of 1lb per week?

I'm worried about my health too. My dad was chubby most of his adult life and he died of pancreatic cancer. But on the daily, my feet hurt, and so do my hips and knees some days. I sweat easily, and it's difficult to find a comfortable sleeping position. I feel tired carrying around this extra weight.

I too want very much to say good bye permanently to any kind of accounting diet. They all make me crazy and miserable very quickly.

I just want to eat healthy, without overeating and get some exercise, and accept that it may take me 2 years or more to reach a healthy-for-me weight. But I'm finding that a challenge.

Like you, my body gives me a tremendously hard time if I try to conventionally diet. I am wildly impressed by your ability to still stick with it for so long. I last about a week at most. But, I guess I have the struggle of clinging to the comfort of food as friend, numbing agent...it's not serving me well.
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But on the daily, my feet hurt, and so do my hips and knees some days. I sweat easily, and it's difficult to find a comfortable sleeping position. I feel tired carrying around this extra weight.
That is why I am back on the diet trail. I was having terrible knee problems recently and though weirdly, they went away pretty quickly after starting dieting, i know I can't go back.

There always seems to be this tension where I think I am eating enough to be healthy and then don't lose... and then seem to need to eat way too little to lose. One of of my diets, VLCD, medically supervised... I didn't know it at the time but now know my body was suffering stress. My cholesterol went though the roof, my thyroid went down. At least I know what to look for now.
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I wish you the very best, Emily.

I am going to stick to recovery from compulsive/emotional eating, by way of a moderate food plan. Which will result in very slow weight loss, I know. But, for me, if I keep going down the diet route, I will most likely still be this weight, or this weight once again 5 years from now. And I'll still be as crazy inside my head with regards to food and diets. I'm aiming for a healthier body and a less squirrelly brain .

For me, diets are not the solution to why I overeat - although my disordered brain likes to hope they might be. Moderate eating is initially harder, because it doesn't have that instant gratification of quick weight loss...but I know it's the path I need to be pursuing for all around better health.
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I'm learning that diets just aren't working for me, and actually causing me to binge & purge more. I do need to watch what I eat but I've decided not to diet anymore.
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I'm learning that diets just aren't working for me, and actually causing me to binge & purge more. I do need to watch what I eat but I've decided not to diet anymore.
Interesting since this post was done.

1. I had my RMR tested again. In 2015 (after the liquid diet) it was 1250, in 2018 it was 1590 and now, it was 1750. This is all at the same body weight. So you see the calculators could have been way off. I don't discount that this also could be off, but it gives me an idea that my RMR has increased substantially.

2. For over 10 years I have had low blood pressure and low heart rate. My doctor was stumped. Guess what? After over a year of giving my body a diet break... my BP has risen and my heart rate has risen. Don't worry both are still normal. What does that mean? To me it means my entire metabolic system was reduced when I was dieting, EVEN IF I WASN"T DIETING ALL THE TIME. I can tell you I feel so much better. More energy... just general well being. I suspect this extends to thyroid hormone as well. I used to be cold all the time... no more.

3. I have determined that I burn off more calories when I am NOT dieting, naturally. Simply because your body becomes less efficient. Higher heart rate more work around the body.

Example: RMR of 1200. Multiplied by 1.2 (calculation for exercise that you do every day). TDEE: 1440. RMR of 1600 multiplied by 1.2 = 1920. 240 calories vrs 320 calories. Add exercise to that... say at RMR of 1200 I burned 70 calories walking for 30 minutes; now I burn 100 calories walking for 30 minutes. Everything I do burns more calories the higher my RMR.

4. I am reducing my calories a little about 100 under my RMR. But this has basically stopped my binging. One you are full... you will not desire to binge.

5. I am lifting weights. I purchased a "total gym" and I find that I really like it. I have always been one of those people who felt that exercise DIDN"T make them feel better. But guess what... What if, when your metabolism is suppressed your body says *hey cut it out I have no more energy* and you feel horrible. But when you have appropriate food and blood pressure you finally find yourself feeling good after a work out.

I havne't lost any weight at all. However, I haven't gained. It has been said that lifting weights has you gain about 3 to 8 lbs. So I feel like I can't expect any weight loss for about 8 to 9 months. So I am not looking at the scale until then.
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Dieting and exercise have never helped me lose weight either. Eventually I would always get so sick and tired of thinking about nothing but calories, calories, calories all day long, from morning until night and feeling like a failure if I got hungry and ate an extra 150-calorie granola bar or whatever or skipped going to the awful, boring gym one morning.

I think the vast majority of chemical addictions are actually just symptoms of an underlying mental illness, so I really don't think that hyper-focusing on dieting is the answer when it comes to overeating. The only times in my life when I haven't had a problem with overeating, however briefly, are when I took up a new hobby or started doing something that made me happy and/or relaxed. And when I've tried to address my depression and anxiety.

But yeah, the world isn't set up to make people happy; it's set up to make sure that the multi-million/billion-dollar corporations we all work for make as much money from our labor as possible. After you've worked eight hours in a cubicle and spent x amount of time commuting, it's difficult to find the energy and/or mental space in your head to want to do anything other than collapse on the couch and watch TV and eat cookies or whatever.

Another idea: go see a weight loss doctor or dietician or nutritionist. We eat so much crappy, empty food in our society that sometimes overeating is a symptom of, basically, starvation. If you're deficient in something, your body is going to keep telling you that you need to eat. We all think we can just download My Fitness Pal and look up BMI calorie calculators online and obsess about protein (while ignoring the other vital nutrients we need) and think we know what we're doing. But we don't. Doctors and dietitians do know what they're doing. Don't be afraid to consult them.
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[QUOTE=Wildeve;6557574]Another idea: go see a weight loss doctor or dietician or nutritionist. We eat so much crappy, empty food in our society that sometimes overeating is a symptom of, basically, starvation. [ /QUOTE]

No while i wish weight loss doctors or dietitians would test me for something I am missing I find them completely unhelpful.

And I am an expert at all of this. There is no stone I have left unturned.

Often when I tell them what I am doing with my life they just look at me like they don't believe me. As if I would want this trouble in my life? They always say you need to eat this food or that food, but eating good food can also make you gain weight. They also don't recognize the work needed to eat good food. Such as salads or fresh fish. All of that food goes bad and if you work a job where they don't care about your hours and a commuter system that doesn't care about you... the food will just go bad and you won't have time to buy fresh food.

They say you have to work out and when you tell them your challenges they just don't have any solutions. They ignore your problems and tell you to work out anyway.

I truly don't know what to do. I recently got back to my highest weight and now I am having issues due to it... so I am going to have to go back on the diet train again.
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I totally understand. Do you think you might benefit from seeing a therapist? That's the other thing I was saying. Overeating for me is the result of anxiety and depression related to other problems in my life (unresolved issues in childhood that have basically ruined my life). Do you think this could be the case with you as well?

Re: exercise: I just bought an exercise bike on Amazon. I also just looked up online a few weeks ago all kinds of exercises you can do at home without equipment. So you don't have to go to a gym. I hate gyms so much.

Re: food going bad: you know what I do? I spend one Saturday or Sunday a week cooking meals beforehand and/or prepping meals beforehand (like chopping vegetables and whatnot), putting it in single-service containers, and throwing them in the fridge or freezer. And when you get home, voila, dinner! (Or breakfast or lunch.)

I completely understand your despair and frustration, though. It all sounds so easy and simple, but food addiction is just that: an addiction. It's a chemical addiction like any other: heroin, alcohol, etc. but what makes it especially crappy is that you have to eat. You can't just cease taking the drug, like heroin addicts and alcoholics can. This is what I meant when I said to try to treat the reason for the addiction, not the addiction itself. That will never work for you.
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I totally understand. Do you think you might benefit from seeing a therapist? That's the other thing I was saying. Overeating for me is the result of anxiety and depression related to other problems in my life (unresolved issues in childhood that have basically ruined my life). Do you think this could be the case with you as well?
I don't know. One of the diet plans I did had a therapy component to it. But what I discovered is that basically there are strictures in my life that aren't going to change. Full time work and commute there. These make dieting and or fun difficult to have. So having a candy is something that can quickly give me joy and is widely available while other things are not.

Also difficult is that I don't eat that much. I have an efficient metabolism and thus while other people can eat a lot- one or two treats in a week can stall me. Even if I am otherwise eating well.
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That's what I meant when I suggested pre-preparing healthy meals and snacks. This way, it is just as easy, or easier, to eat healthy food as it is to eat unhealthy food.

But yeah, I think the cold, hard truth is that it's never going to be easy. You're never going to want to do it. You're not going to discover some magical new method that will require little to no suffering on your part. And you're always going to have a list of what you consider reasons why you can't diet and exercise. Most people have hectic schedules and quite long commutes, by the way, and/or children to care for as well. It isn't just non-busy people with lots of free time who are able to successfully diet and exercise.

It takes a lot of discomfort and discipline to get healthy and lose weight, and this is the bottom line.

Honestly,--and I say this with no judgement or unkindness,--if you really feel that the obstacles are too numerous, you may as well just get used to the body you have and stop torturing yourself with guilt. Do the best you can and try to find contentment and peace with that.
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