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can taking medication to relieve mental health symptoms eventually exacerbate the same symptoms over time?
Been on seroquel and remeron for nearly 2 decades and the past 2 years I've raised the former to 300mg another later to 30mg. Theres been zero change. Last week I ran out of both and had to wait 5 days to renew. Went through the insomnia and emotional roller coaster and checked in the hospital for medication reconciliation. Was given 1mg ativan 20ct.
Sleep has returned and deep depression and all that entails has subsided more than while taking the seroquel and remeron. Giving serious thought to remaining off them (under strict self awareness monitoring) as every psych will exclaim No! DON'T DO THAT!
Want to know if taking an as needed psych med (ativan) no more than 2x daily will do me much better. Tired of being sedentary!!!
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Well Ativan is a benzo and they are in fact a depressant.

So its really a balancing act. Your Pdoc would be the best to help you decide on a game plan.

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From my own personal experience in the past when I tried psych meds, the side effects were far worse than what the Pdoc who prescribed them, claimed their function in my healing would be like. I view all psych meds as a cruel joke on people who need mental health support. I don't trust psych meds, period. I know this opinion may put me in a negative light with many PC members who rely on their meds to help them. But Lithium destroyed my thyroid and I wasn't even diagnosed properly by the Pdoc who I trusted foolishly as a 21 year old, when I tried it for a few months. There are other pysch meds I was prescribed, for my anxiety disorder, by Pdocs who should not be licensed, b/c those drugs nearly killed me, nearly changed my personality, and nearly destroyed my health. Those drugs contributed to the loss of jobs, loss of friendships, loss of sleep, loss of clear thinking, loss of driving, loss of a lot of things.

I joined PC to get support for my anxiety. I knew that a lot of people here take psych meds. My cousin, a recovering AA/NA is a psych nurse. She is on multiple psych meds and even she has changed 100% b/c of those meds. It breaks my heart. I view psych meds as evil b/c what do they really do? They screw up the human brain, the physiology of a person, give them horrible, debilitating side effects, create mania or suicidal ideation, create behavioral problems like sex addiction, alcohol addiction, create sexuality changes (some people become sexually aggressive, or even change their sexual orientation while on psych meds).

There's a TON of research in medical journals, blogs written by former and current psychiatrists and other doctors about this dilemma. It's so taboo b/c the accepted social norm is that if you have a mental illness, a psych drug will fix your mental illness. No, it won't. Yet millions of people are brainwashed by the marketing, and by the lies told to them by Pdocs and pharmacists who buy into the lie about the role of psych drugs on a person's life.

There is a 2010 documentary film, NUMB about a suburban dad hooked on psych drugs and he narrates his journey on how he attempts to wean himself off of his meds. This documentary asks the question, "What happens when you stop taking your antidepressants?"

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NUMB Produced and Directed by Phil Lawrence - Creative Edge Productions.

Phil Lawrence takes us through his childhood and High School years before moving onto college where he struggled with anxiety attacks and abnormal bouts of blushing. Shortly after college Phil married his girlfriend Pamela and in 1993 their first child was born.

Sometime later, and still struggling with anxiety issues, Phil saw his doctor, he had seen adverts on TV telling him about Paxil, a drug to cure anxiety and shyness. Within 10 minutes Phil's doctor was writing him out a script for GlaxoSmithKline's wonder drug.

10 years on and Phil decided to document the whole tapering process, a tapering regime that Glaxo officials would have you believe does not exist. It does, Numb is evidence of that.

Phil's doctor recommended that he cut his 20mg dose by half to 10mg, this is in line with what Glaxo recommend on their updated Seroxat patient information leaflet here in the UK. I'm unsure what it says on the US version.

Watching Phil go through the ordeal of withdrawal is like my own story, it's a constant reminder of what I endured and also a reminder of the countless stories I have been sent and those I have read over the years...stories that GlaxoSmithKline poo-poo with lines such as, "Paxil has benefited millions of people worldwide."

Phil's quest to seek help is shown by him telephoning those departments whom he felt could help him, namely the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), The American Psychological Association (APA), and The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). They all declined to help him.

By day 5 we see Phil experiencing the sensation of buzzing noises inside his head, these turn into severe headaches and electric zaps blitzing his brain, all of which are eloquently described by Phil.

In essence, Phil has installed a window for us all to look through, a window of transparency that makes for some disturbing viewing [courtesy of GlaxoSmithKline]. Phil is creating an awareness that Glaxo just don't want you to see.

Numb also shows us the conflict of interest that clearly exists between the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA, footage from 1991 sees parents, mothers, fathers confront the FDA with regard to SSRi type medications causing suicide to loved ones, the result of that particular confrontation saw the FDA give SSRi's a clean bill of health, they saw no link in the suicidal thoughts.

Numb shows how Phil's emotions go up and down, his anger, his bouts of sadness, all highlighted by his wife Pamela, a woman full of understanding and much love for her husband.

Every single doctor should sit down and watch this powerful documentary, every single Judge presiding in a case brought by claimants against GSK's Paxil should also be shown this. In fact any one who has ever considered Paxil as a pill to cure their ill should take heed.

Numb is a documentary for the people, it's a view of the psychopharmaceutical monopoly and how they do everything to prove their abuse of minds is right and that those abused are wrong.

Phil Lawrence's journey is one of the roughest you will see hit the small screens, he is one of the many hundreds of thousands who struggle at the hands of SSRi drugs, one of the many who feel isolated because medicine regulators around the world are so limp-wristed that they dare not acknowledge that they are part of the problem.

Nobody can offer a safe and effective way to come off these drugs, they can only offer a guidance, a guidance that was put into place by the small handful of psychiatrists that have spoken about about the dangers of SSRi withdrawal.

I abhor GlaxoSmithKline for what they did to Phil Lawrence. I abhor them for what they did to me. I abhor them for their constant denials and refusal to acknowledge that the withdrawal problem is far bigger than what they claim. They created a monster and people, just like Phil Lawrence, have to battle against that monster with little more than a pill cutter because the very same people who manufactured the drug won't help him.

The documentary should make those that see it reach for their keyboards to lobby someone, anyone, for answers. They will never get answers from the likes of GSK, they will never get answers via litigation [it's all about money and not GSK's bad behaviour.]

6 months into tapering is where the documentary ends. Phil was still having horrific withdrawal symptoms.
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From my own personal experience in the past when I tried psych meds, the side effects were far worse than what the Pdoc who prescribed them, claimed their function in my healing would be like. I view all psych meds as a cruel joke on people who need mental health support. I don't trust psych meds, period. I know this opinion may put me in a negative light with many PC members who rely on their meds to help them. But Lithium destroyed my thyroid and I wasn't even diagnosed properly by the Pdoc who I trusted foolishly as a 21 year old, when I tried it for a few months. There are other pysch meds I was prescribed, for my anxiety disorder, by Pdocs who should not be licensed, b/c those drugs nearly killed me, nearly changed my personality, and nearly destroyed my health. Those drugs contributed to the loss of jobs, loss of friendships, loss of sleep, loss of clear thinking, loss of driving, loss of a lot of things.


I joined PC to get support for my anxiety. I knew that a lot of people here take psych meds. My cousin, a recovering AA/NA is a psych nurse. She is on multiple psych meds and even she has changed 100% b/c of those meds. It breaks my heart. I view psych meds as evil b/c what do they really do? They screw up the human brain, the physiology of a person, give them horrible, debilitating side effects, create mania or suicidal ideation, create behavioral problems like sex addiction, alcohol addiction, create sexuality changes (some people become sexually aggressive, or even change their sexual orientation while on psych meds).


There's a TON of research in medical journals, blogs written by former and current psychiatrists and other doctors about this dilemma. It's so taboo b/c the accepted social norm is that if you have a mental illness, a psych drug will fix your mental illness. No, it won't. Yet millions of people are brainwashed by the marketing, and by the lies told to them by Pdocs and pharmacists who buy into the lie about the role of psych drugs on a person's life.


There is a 2010 documentary film, NUMB about a suburban dad hooked on psych drugs and he narrates his journey on how he attempts to wean himself off of his meds. This documentary asks the question, "What happens when you stop taking your antidepressants?"





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There is a body of evidence that is growing by the day ,showing the rate of psychiatric disability has exploded in the modern age of big Pharma's development of "psychoactive candy" ,matter of fact studies show in head to head comparison the actual recovery from psychosis happens sooner ,and is more complete in patients not treated with antipsychotics.

As many will tell you the gold standard in medicine is evidence , test results ,lab work etc that can confirm a doctors belief of X or Y is the correct diagnosis , they have actual proof .Psychiatry has not had and still does not have any evidence ,any of its treatments are correct and psychiatry is littered with the corpses of treatment once considered humane ,ethical and restorative ( drilling holes in the head to let demons out ,chaining people to immovable objects ,the "Utica crib" ,hypothermia, insulin shock,straight jackets, electro shock therapy ,lobotomies ( hell the guy who ivented putting an ice pick into the brain to disconect the frontal lobe won a Nobel prize for it ) today we have the highly profitable pharmaceutical industry driving Mental Health and diagnosis ,if you watch TV you can see it happen with direct to consumer advertising , you start seeing commercials describing Vague "symptoms" and urging people that it maybe treatable , they should see there doctor ,that means big pharma has a new drug , they dont waste money on Public service announcements ,they have a new drug that allegedly treats those symptoms,and you notice in 6 months or so ,those PSA's are gone ,and they are straight up advertising there expensive new drug . And not coincidently everything in the DSM that has a diagnostic name and code ,is pitched to Psychiatrist by drug companies ,to make it into the book ,the disorder must be discussed at a convention by upper level elitest pschiatrist at a vacation junket at some swanky place like Fiji , so drugs and disorders are sold both to patients and doctors ,of. Course that is until a trend developes that causes everyone to rethink how did this happen ,in the first place .

Now the treatment of mental illness has evolved many times ,we are currently in the Biochemical imbalance period of thinking ( despite it being proven wrong every few years ,Psychiatry clings to it like a security blanket and refuses( most but not all psychiatrist)to face the fact the only biochemical imbalance the patient truly has that can be proven is the one your XXXXX drug is causing .

Also notice we have diseases & we have disorders,diseases are things that evidence based medicine can prove , disorders are thinks that can't be proven at anytime past or present ,mental illness falls completely in the unproven disorders category .

Some people you might be intrested in if your not already is Peter Bregin M.D a psychiatrist who doesn't believe pumping patients full of chemicals from big pharma is correct or ethical and doesn't use them .
Also I know the sounds strange ,but a former journalist named Bob(Robert) Whitaker is fascinating, he originaly got involved when researching a story for his newspaper , it then became passion ,because so much of big pharma and mental health treatment is built on flimsy ,shady, hypothetical information . Drug testing studies are famously sleazy , they know what outcome they want and expect then they pick a very small group of patients that will be studied, most Drugs that reach the market have been approved as safe & effective have only been used in many cases on significantly less than 5000 people for less than a year . I personaly will not take any patented drug until it's patent expires and it doesn't have a boatload of lawsuits for injury and death , this "waiting period" as I call it allows for a truer idea of side effects and adverse events that either were known by big pharma and the deliberately lied to FDA or legitimately didn't know about because so few people were exposed to it in clinical trials that it was news to them ,i formed this opinion from near death experiences and life changing adverse effects with new drugs . Right now I still take Remeron (mirtazipine ) it might in some way be helping my sleep disorder so insurance will not say a peep about me taking it ,more importantly my doctor doesnt want to destroy the last year's of my life ,because the nasty drug withdrawal lasts as long as 3 years.
Now notice I said withdrawal, big pharma doesn't want to admit some of there garbage is habituating or causes dependence ,so they lie and call it discontinuation syndrome ,every psychiatric drug has a withdrawal some worse than others .

Sorry I am long winded , if your here ,I am not condemning or endorsing any individuals choice of treatment , I am just stating facts as I know them ,your choices should be a mutual decision between you and your doctor . That said I see alot of people being told what to take and given a brief rundown of side effects ,to me that's criminal , you should be thoroughly informed of all treatments and side effects and given a chance to research same before committing to a course of action !this has to my knowledge never been litigated in a court but to me ,a doctor giving a patient limited choices and information violates what is required in the legal practice of medicine INFORMED CONSENT.
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@Misterpain THANK YOU for your long-winded response. I am very familiar with Dr Peter Bregin. And, I feared I was the only anti-psych med PC'er (having been on a few myself in the past 30 years). I thought people would just label me as uninformed and judgmental b/c I find psych meds to be the biggest scam.

When I was prescribed Accutane for cystic acne as a 17 year old, not only did that drug make me feel suicidal within 3 weeks of first taking it, but it made me more aggressive and dried out my skin so harshly that my face turned red and so I stopped taking it cold turkey. Lithium destroyed my thyroid for life. Seroquel made me hallucinate and took away my ability to drive, let alone function. Celexa gave me tachycardia, dried out my eyes, nasal passage ways and mouth to the point I was coughing all the time and red eyed; not to mention the interminable insomnia I experienced on it and worst of all: the suicidal ideation. And by nature I'm very much a Sally Albright kinda gal (reference to When Harry Met Sally, a la Nora Ephron). All prescribed to me for my anxiety disorder. Which, by the way, can totally be treated drug-free (it turns out!!) with music therapy, art therapy, meditation, nutrition, DBT, and CBT.

Also, a cousin of mine is a lobbyist for Big Pharma (she pushes their agenda and has no conscience left where patient lawsuits are concerned). We were close growing up, but are estranged now because she refuses to acknowledge the flimsy stilts that the psychiatry industry is founded on. It's all direct to consumer marketing on tv, on the radio, online. I could write a thread on what I think of the DSM. Don't even get me started on that holy bible of baloney.

God knows the long term health effects those drugs will have on me overall. Maybe one of them injured my liver and is the cause of my NALFD. I'll never know unless I get a biopsy done of my liver and well, I don't foresee that happening b/c I don't want the surgeon to accidentally puncture my lung or heart. I'm curious to know how i got it. I think it was a medication injury cause. But only a biopsy would clarify the NALFD's cause.

Like, you, I am NOT condemning or endorsing any person's choice of medication for treatment. I hope that people will still like and respect me here, despite my belief that psych drugs are not the correct solution for mental disorders.
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@Misterpain THANK YOU for your long-winded response. I am very familiar with Dr Peter Bregin. And, I feared I was the only anti-psych med PC'er (having been on a few myself in the past 30 years). I thought people would just label me as uninformed and judgmental b/c I find psych meds to be the biggest scam.


When I was prescribed Accutane for cystic acne as a 17 year old, not only did that drug make me feel suicidal within 3 weeks of first taking it, but it made me more aggressive and dried out my skin so harshly that my face turned red and so I stopped taking it cold turkey. Lithium destroyed my thyroid for life. Seroquel made me hallucinate and took away my ability to drive, let alone function. Celexa gave me tachycardia, dried out my eyes, nasal passage ways and mouth to the point I was coughing all the time and red eyed; not to mention the interminable insomnia I experienced on it and worst of all: the suicidal ideation. And by nature I'm very much a Sally Albright kinda gal (reference to When Harry Met Sally, a la Nora Ephron). All prescribed to me for my anxiety disorder. Which, by the way, can totally be treated drug-free (it turns out!!) with music therapy, art therapy, meditation, nutrition, DBT, and CBT.


Also, a cousin of mine is a lobbyist for Big Pharma (she pushes their agenda and has no conscience left where patient lawsuits are concerned). We were close growing up, but are estranged now because she refuses to acknowledge the flimsy stilts that the psychiatry industry is founded on. It's all direct to consumer marketing on tv, on the radio, online. I could write a thread on what I think of the DSM. Don't even get me started on that holy bible of baloney.


God knows the long term health effects those drugs will have on me overall. Maybe one of them injured my liver and is the cause of my NALFD. I'll never know unless I get a biopsy done of my liver and well, I don't foresee that happening b/c I don't want the surgeon to accidentally puncture my lung or heart. I'm curious to know how i got it. I think it was a medication injury cause. But only a biopsy would clarify the NALFD's cause.


Like, you, I am NOT condemning or endorsing any person's choice of medication for treatment. I hope that people will still like and respect me here, despite my belief that psych drugs are not the correct solution for mental disorders.
I remember the whole Accutane scandals ,I was adopted after my mom was murdered ,the woman who adopted me worried I would have acne like my brother ,his face is one big scar , but she went herbal naturopath so fortunately my face is fine no scars no Accutane ( recently the FDA approved it's first acne drug post Accutane lessons learned ) I am sorry you have had to endure this , it sounds like you fall into the group of people who experience more side effects than any alleged primary effects . I did try when it came out (I was young, dumb, and believed what my doctor told me ,which of course was spoon fed to her from big pharma) Zyprexa , they said it was good for everything ,regardless of what was wrong , I tried it for maybe 4 months for " insomnia " didn't help !however it did give me insulin dependent diabetes & multiple heart attacks , by that time doctors had a bad feeling about it and there was rumors ,but nothing could be proven , then lawsuits started and 8 whistle blowers from the company came forward with internal documents showing Lilly new about these side effects and purposely lied to get FDA approval, to this day it's still a best seller with a black vox warning , the fines and payouts to victims was pennies on the dollar ,the new either abandon the drug as too dangerous or lie ,get approval and get a slap on the wrist ,earning billions of dollars .

The entire drug industry runs on money,dirty money .
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