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Omg. Thank you for sharing this! You are not alone and if you need anything, please ask! Are you currently out of abusive therapy? I send my heart to you. Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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#542
A Whole Slew of those Unethical Gutter Trash Professionals are out and about yonder. And I heard just recently - that ANONYMOUS... Yes. Anonymous. Is onto this. Yup. HAHA. Anonymous is now investigating Abuse in the Mental Health Industry. Seriously. HD.
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I recently did another internet search on "harmful therapy", just to see what was out there, and found two articles I hadn't seen before:
Here is What Clincians Should Know About Side Effects of Psychotherapy Can psychotherapy cause harm? - Brighton Therapy Partnership Seems like, maybe, the topic is being taken a little more seriously than in the past? Still no major study by, for instance, the APA in the US. And both of these articles are from authors outside the US -- one from Australia and one from the UK. Still. . . I think looking at "harmful effects" of therapy is a more comprehensive focus than just looking for, and trying to prevent, abuse. I'm not sure that I was a "victim" of "abuse" in therapy per se, but for me the whole set up was exploitative and abusive and a scam. . .leading to wasted time, wasted effort, wasted life, etc. That was harmful. I very much appreciate the perpective of others who have written on this forum as well as elsewhere about this. It provided me a perspective that I could not see myself, blinded by a pollyanna attitude that I was aware of, cognitively, but which didn't help me see how it blinded me to certain aspects of reality in therapy, as well as other things in life. If you haven't been there, I can understand how it may, even must, seem incomprehensible and incredible but -- look at the history of my long life and my long history of therapy and does it really make sense to someone that I would have subjected myself to that by rational, conscious choice? When people, even otherwise rational, intelligent adults who make decent decisions in other aspects of their lives, can make such horrible ones when it comes to therapy -- it seems clear to me that it's a problem not just with the person, who is coming to therapy because they acknowledge or suspect a problem with themselves even if they aren't entirely sure what it is. We now know that smoking, which used to be promoted as something healthful and calming, can have very harmful effects. And there are warnings right on the package. We need something like that for therapy. Studying abuses and stories about these abuses may help some. But IMO the problem is more than just rooting out and stopping abuse, although that's important. People need to be better informed that abuse and harm is possible in therapy. And the professionals need to accept and be better informed, and curious about it, as well. Fortunately, I'm pretty well able to stay away from those folks these days. Depression, and a sense of failure in life, sucks and there are some days. . .but I've been harmed so much in therapy, and can see and realize it now, I think I'm going to continue to stay away. Even if there is something else that would be good for me to know about myself, I don't think I'm going to take another chance on being vulnerable with any of those folks. |
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#544
Thanks for the links. I don't know why it so hard for them to study their failures or to admit it happens without blaming the client.
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As I client, I serviced the therapists' delusions of omniscience above my own needs. Freud and analytic descendants to this day use contemptuous name-calling for their dropouts and failures. I wonder if some of their attitudes seep into wider practice. |
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I completely agree - they really like having their egos stroked and come to expect or demand it
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There are too many bad ones out there.
I'd also like to blow up the DSM. |
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I agree with you. There are a ton of really horrible therapists out there and they are getting worse.
The system is simply incapable of treating survivors of abuse in therapy. Period. __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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#549
I am a survivor of abuse and therapy very effectively treated and helped me, so that absolute is not quite accurate.
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I think HD may have meant “survivors of abuse in therapy,” as in people abused within the therapeutic relationship. At least that is how I took it.
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There is an exception to every rule.
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What can we here do to help? Seems to me we are on our own -- but not alone, as you have pointed out before. And specifically, what can we here to help you. Sounds like maybe you are struggling some? Feel free to PM me, if you would like. |
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Hi ArtleyWilkins, Yes, as Atisketatasket said - I meant that currently, the mental health profession does not have a specific modality that cators to survivors of abuse in therapy, therefore, people who have been abused in therapy should expect difficulty finding effective and ethical treatment. That is an issue for MANY reasons, not just ethical ones. Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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And there is an inherent conflict of interest in this scenario. The therapist has a vested interest in defending therapy foundations, while the client is best served by a full and open examination of the entire process and all underpinnings and assumptions. Good luck with that. |
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Hi Comrademoomoo, You make an excellent point! While PTSD is typically a standardized treatment, it does include varying modalities. Internal Family Systems (Parts Therapy) EMDR DBT Regression therapy CBT These are known to be effective therapy modalities for trauma. While each could be used to help heal trauma, some are known to be more effective than others. For instance, I have heard that EMDR can be very effective for single trauma PTSD, whereas it has been said that those with multi-traumas (or Complex PTSD) can be more easily retraumatized. Budfox alluded to some of the complexities surrounding retrauma in therapy, when survivors of abuse in therapy seek out help in subsequent therapy. I agree with 100% with Budfox, which also brings us to the problem. Why should there be a specific therapy modality tailored to survivors of therapy abuse? Because the survivor is entering into a traumatic environment from the get go, whereas most clients walk into therapy and believe it is safe. This changes the entire dynamic. Complex problems include things like self-fulfilling prophecies and repetition compulsions, negative countertransference, toxic workplace cultures (fear and intimidation) that carry out Institutional Betrayal smear campaigns in order to suppress and intimidate survivors into silence. Also add in that simply being that vulnerable increases the likelihood of revictimization and or retraumatization. For example: I believe I read a peer reviewed research paper somewhere that states 23% of incest survivors will experience sexual exploitation in therapy; and an additional 23% will be exploited in different ways. So 46% of incest survivors will experience some kind of exploitation in seeking help in therapy.... Care to know why? Because they are vulnerable, and therapists have a position of power with absolutely zero accountability. The reasons for doing this can vary, although, it is primarily legal. Careful supervision, ethical practise, genuine safety and privacy is a MUST for treating survivors of therapy abuse. These are things that the system struggles to maintain. I believe researching abuse in psychotherapy, would force the mental health profession to acknowledge the cultural and systemic corruption, which might shine a spotlight on how the system fails. Well - a trauma survivor cannot heal from abuse in therapy unless the trauma survivor feels safe, and can trust the therapist. I would recommend an article about this topic on therapyabuse.org. It explores the many problems that survivors face when seeking help in therapy for therapy abuse. It is very complex and highly dependent on individual cases and where and from whom the survivor seeks help. Check out that website it is filled with valuable insights. This system is simply broken. Think any Government wants to admit to hiring sexual predators? Nope. And they rarely ever do admit, unless there is irrefutable evidence. Pretty hard to do that when one is so vulnerable and the person treating them is literally trained to help OR harm the cĺient, and the only thing standing in the way of helping or harming is mere choice. If they decide to abuse - the majority of the system responds by covering up the abuse, blaming and shaming the victim, and protecting the perpetrator which inadvertently creates a culture that normalizes corruption and abuse. Healthcare providers have the ability to abuse with absolute impunity. And they do. Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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Read this excerpt from an interesting article written by Chaya Grossberg, found here:
Child Abuse, Mental Health and Mental Illness - Mad In America Read some of the comments at the bottom of the page! They are absolutely incredible. Riddled with fellow survivor insight and research, etc. It is quite amazing. Quote:
Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" Last edited by HD7970GHZ; Feb 03, 2020 at 02:50 PM.. |
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BudFox, I just had to quote this - because it is so well said! Reword it a bit, and I think this could become the skeleton and preface for a pamphlet... What do you think? Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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#559
Institutional Gaslighting; Investigations to Silence the Victim and Protect the Perp
Michaela Kennedy-Cuomo | April 5, 2019 The excerpt below is from the Brown Political Review, it can be found here : Institutional Gaslighting; Investigations to Silence the Victim and Protect the Perp - Brown Political Review Quote:
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I'm not sure that a true psychiatry/medicine of the soul is needed as much as more people in general "waking up" to their/our numbed out pains, which leads to perpetrations and then accusations, even if the accusations are justified. It's just that accusations. . .are they really effective? It seems like what would be a "medicine of the soul" for me is if somebody could sit with me in my pain. The last therapist terminated me because she didn't "have the emotional resources" (her words) to do that. Maybe/probably she hadn't felt or dealt with her own pain. And there are no certifications or licenses that a client can depend on to find a therapist who can. |
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