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I'm struggling again. What if something happens to my T or her baby? How will I know? What if she extends her leave? How will I know that? Will I just suffer waiting for her to communicate with me? None of this is fair to me. I know, I know, what I want is unfair to her. It's a win/lose situation and I'm on the losing end.

I can't stop "future tripping" as my T called it. And I'm sorry, but I can't be patient. I need as many answers as soon as I possibly can get them. I can't wait till the last minute. We always plan out scenarios. It's not fair that she never went over this scenario.

I've also discovered that I'm mad at my T. I don't like it, and I'm not 100% sure where it's coming from. I guess it's not logical, but feelings sometimes don't follow logic. I just want my T to keep in contact with me, but I know better than to bring that up. The answer is no no matter what I do or say.
I do this "future tripping" though like LT, I'd never heard it called that. For the first several separations with my T, I would freak out because what if something happened to her, who would take care of me, how would I know, how would I be able to say good bye. And so on.

We did eventually talk about it in detail in terms of what would be my ideal if something did happen to her. I think it was helpful. She reassured me that this was the life she wants to have. I believe that is the most honest way she can reassure me. We both acknowledge that we do not control the world around us and so many things can go differently than planned/hoped for either of us.

Would it be helpful to hear your T say something like this is the life she wants to have? I also think it might be useful to know what her contact plan is if something does happen - not just once she takes leave but if something comes up during the pregnancy and she has to leave sooner than expected. BTW - my T never shared the specifics of her plan, she did challenge me with the idea/concept if I thought she'd be the type of person that would not have such a plan in place. This was after the 3-4th time through this cycle for us so she knew fairly well the level of stress this put on me.

I agree given everything, some shared visits and starting to see someone else sooner rather than later might help as a hand off type of deal.

Feel free to PM me anything you are unsure about sharing in public.
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Default Jan 01, 2019 at 02:09 PM
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I'll go ahead and post my email. I always send it, just most of the time I review it and tweak it. T already responded. I'll post that too. Just know I was really emotional. And be easy on your opinion, please!

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Another thing to discuss: if there is no communication from you, how will I know you and the baby are okay? If you extend your leave, how will I know? Will I just be suffering while waiting to hear from you?

I still think you're going to abandon me. That you're pawning me off to someone else and that you'll come back, but refuse to continue with me. That's why you say it's okay for me to form an attachment to someone else. You're hoping I attach to the new therapist so you won't have to deal with me anymore.

This is a win/lose situation and I'm on the losing side because you have all the power in this situation. It's not fair! But I know if I get my way, it will be unfair to you. Why must I always be the one to suffer?

You told me that I could remain your client until you move, retire, or die. And you said that I could probably still see you once in a while after you retire. It's not fair that you didn't cover this scenario! We never talked about a situation where I would need another therapist. I planned on you being my last one. And you said you want to change my story, that not everyone abandons me. But you're still going to, aren't you? Because I'm nothing to you. I'm just a job, a payment, someone you can easily replace. It's easy for you to get rid of me.

I'm crying too much again. I have to stop. You'll be happy to know that I did take a bath today, washed my bedding, and put on clean clothes.

I don't expect a reply. You clearly aren't going to give me reassurance right now, and that is what I need. I just don't think you care. Have you ever cared?

I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm such a burden. I'm sorry I'm not a good enough client. I'm sorry for depending on you. I'm sorry for telling you in the beginning of our relationship that I hated you. I'm sorry for ever blaming you for anything you didn't do. I'm sorry for my feelings. I'm sorry for everything!

I just want to die now. I don't want to face you again. How can I? It will just prolong my suffering. Nothing you can say or do will make things better. You get to go off and be happy, and have a beautiful little baby. And me? I'm stuck in this horrible mind and body and can't do **** about it. I'm trapped by my past, emotions, and messed up thinking. I try so hard! I try to make you happy and proud. I try to only ask for my needs. I try to follow your advice. I try to cope on my own. I really do try! I'm sorry I'm ****ed up mentally. I try to be a good person though. I try not to be a leach or over dependent on you.

Oh T, I'm hurting so much! And there no hope for relief. I'm doomed to suffer. We never have talked about it, but I've always felt punished by God because of my secret. It must be that. Because no matter how hard I try, I fail. No matter how much I love, they leave me. I try to get pregnant and I can't. I try to be a good caring wife, and I get abused. I try to be a good daughter and sister, but I'm a disappointment. I should have tried harder to kill myself. But I bet even if I tried again, I'd survive. Because I must be punished for what I did. Dying is the easy way out, so I must live and suffer.

I'm really not intentionally trying to write long emails. I start by saying one thing and then it triggers something else, and before you know it, I've emotionally vomited through writing.

Maybe it's best to cancel Thursday. Why prolong the inevitable? It would just be easier. And then you won't have to deal with me. Don't worry about referring me. You're free of me. Just know that I tried my best and I really did love you.
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I hope this morning is a better morning. We can address all the things in the email, but I want you to try to turn that thinking around and convince yourself of the opposite of everything you said. Be a lawyer to your own thoughts! That’s what will help you through this. Just a couple more days. I’m assuming you will be there Thursday, but please let me know if you really are thinking of not coming. Of course, I believe that you should come so we can talk through some of this!
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Default Jan 01, 2019 at 02:22 PM
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Your email just seemed really honest. And your T seemed really understanding in her reply. I also think you should go Thursday and talk about it.
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It's hard to be a "lawyer" to my thoughts when I'm so emotional. I have plenty of evidence against her. But I do have evidence for her. I just wish she would reassure me. Maybe she will on Thursday? She said she would in the other email. I know she doesn't like responding in emails. And my T does tell me that everything will be okay. She's always been right so far. But she hasn't said that about this situation.

My H actually told me last night that I'm as emotional as a was when ex-T left me. One, I'm grieving. Two, I really do feel like she's going to abandon me. She's going to do it the "ethical" way, but she is still going to leave me.

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It's hard to be a "lawyer" to my thoughts when I'm so emotional. I have plenty of evidence against her. But I do have evidence for her. I just wish she would reassure me. Maybe she will on Thursday? She said she would in the other email. I know she doesn't like responding in emails. And my T does tell me that everything will be okay. She's always been right so far. But she hasn't said that about this situation.

My H actually told me last night that I'm as emotional as a was when ex-T left me. One, I'm grieving. Two, I really do feel like she's going to abandon me. She's going to do it the "ethical" way, but she is still going to leave me.
I agree with our husband; you are every bit as emotional as you were with your ex-T. You really need to slow yourself down. Your T has reassured you that you will discuss this in your session Thursday. WAIT for Thursday. You are feeding your anxiety with these emails rather than using your skills to stop and sit with your emotions for a couple of days. Your reactions and posts right now feel very "young" - maybe teenaged - in that you seem to be feeding the anxiety and playing into it instead of slowing yourself down and waiting for the adult part of you to talk to the adult therapist and adult your way through the logistics of your therapist's future maternity leave.

Your therapist has been trying to get you to use the skills she has worked with you on. Go back and look at how many times she has reminded you of those skills in the last few days. This is exactly the kind of situation that those skills are needed for; it's time to put them to use. That is what you therapist is telling you. She isn't abandoning you; she's trying to get you to use what she has walked you through these last several years. This is maternity leave, not abandonment. That is the "lawyering" of your thoughts you need to be working with. Maternity leave is a pretty normal scenario for married females of childbearing age; this isn't something she failed to prepare your for. This is a common adult situation that adults deal with. It isn't fatal. It isn't abandonment. It isn't a ploy to leave you. Your T is simply having a baby. Women return from maternity leave quite regularly. You have choices about how you think about this; that is what you therapist is reminding you of. Choose differently right now because what you are choosing to do isn't working to calm your anxiety down.

I know it is all easy to say and much harder to do. I don't say any of the above as criticism; I say it as someone who cares about you and has seen you down this road before. This T has been good for you, but NOW is the time to utilize all that wisdom and strength you had built up in the last few years. Instead, you seem to be throwing all that work out the window. Don't do that, Scarlett. I KNOW you can do this because you are a strong woman and you have been through much worse. This isn't happening immediately. It isn't a "I walked into the ex-T's office and she immediately terminated me" scenario. This isn't that. This is a completely different, completely normal, completely reasonable, completely survivable interruption of services due to a woman's maternity leave.
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There is no amount of reassurance which will satiate you. There is no magical combination of words which your therapist can say which will soothe you. You will continue to torture yourself if you look for external validation.
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I am also very interested in the fact that you have asked to see a picture of the baby and that your therapist has agreed to this. You don't have a relationship with the baby and the baby will be an independent person, not merely an extension of your therapist. It seems an intrusive and inappropriate request to me. The therapeutic work is surely why you want to see the infant and why you think it is appropriate to ask, not in the actual access to the child's image.
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I am also very interested in the fact that you have asked to see a picture of the baby and that your therapist has agreed to this. You don't have a relationship with the baby and the baby will be an independent person, not merely an extension of your therapist. It seems an intrusive and inappropriate request to me. The therapeutic work is surely why you want to see the infant and why you think it is appropriate to ask, not in the actual access to the child's image.
I used to look up T, but we made a deal and I don't do that anymore. Haven't done it in a long time. I askes her if I could see a picture since I can't look her up anymore, and she said yes. There doesn't need to be a discussion.

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I used to look up T, but we made a deal and I don't do that anymore. Haven't done it in a long time. I askes her if I could see a picture since I can't look her up anymore, and she said yes. There doesn't need to be a discussion.
There always needs to be a discussion! Discussions are where you dig up the dirt. Unless you mean there doesn't need to be a discussion on here with me. I mean, that's true, but then why post? People are strange.
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I agree with our husband; you are every bit as emotional as you were with your ex-T. You really need to slow yourself down. Your T has reassured you that you will discuss this in your session Thursday. WAIT for Thursday. You are feeding your anxiety with these emails rather than using your skills to stop and sit with your emotions for a couple of days. Your reactions and posts right now feel very "young" - maybe teenaged - in that you seem to be feeding the anxiety and playing into it instead of slowing yourself down and waiting for the adult part of you to talk to the adult therapist and adult your way through the logistics of your therapist's future maternity leave.

Your therapist has been trying to get you to use the skills she has worked with you on. Go back and look at how many times she has reminded you of those skills in the last few days. This is exactly the kind of situation that those skills are needed for; it's time to put them to use. That is what you therapist is telling you. She isn't abandoning you; she's trying to get you to use what she has walked you through these last several years. This is maternity leave, not abandonment. That is the "lawyering" of your thoughts you need to be working with. Maternity leave is a pretty normal scenario for married females of childbearing age; this isn't something she failed to prepare your for. This is a common adult situation that adults deal with. It isn't fatal. It isn't abandonment. It isn't a ploy to leave you. Your T is simply having a baby. Women return from maternity leave quite regularly. You have choices about how you think about this; that is what you therapist is reminding you of. Choose differently right now because what you are choosing to do isn't working to calm your anxiety down.

I know it is all easy to say and much harder to do. I don't say any of the above as criticism; I say it as someone who cares about you and has seen you down this road before. This T has been good for you, but NOW is the time to utilize all that wisdom and strength you had built up in the last few years. Instead, you seem to be throwing all that work out the window. Don't do that, Scarlett. I KNOW you can do this because you are a strong woman and you have been through much worse. This isn't happening immediately. It isn't a "I walked into the ex-T's office and she immediately terminated me" scenario. This isn't that. This is a completely different, completely normal, completely reasonable, completely survivable interruption of services due to a woman's maternity leave.
I'm tired of fighting to be strong. I've been hit with so many things in my life. And right now, there's too much uncertainty of the future and it not just with T.

I'm actually glad you noticed my tone in the letter. I often feel like a child when I'm really emotional. I think it's the BPD. I just haven't matured emotionally. But you're also right, that when I can stay logical, I tend to be in an adult mind. I always wondered if my T notices the change.

If I'm being honest with myself, I know I can survive this even if T abandons me. I have survived with nothing and no one when I was homeless. I have survived ex-T abandoning me.

It just hurts.

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Default Jan 01, 2019 at 05:23 PM
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I also want to add that I haven't cut through all of this. I haven't had to call T. And I have finally taken a bath, cleaned my sheets, and put on clean clothes.

Also to add: please remember that I'm in a depressive state atm. I'm still upping my meds. And speaking of meds, I haven't drugged myself (i.e. taken a benzo) for a few days now. I am trying my best. I swear. I just have moments of breakdown especially at night.

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I couldn't give a hooty-rooty-mctooty whether you are trying your best or not. I mean, good for you that you aren't self-harming and are attending to your basic needs, but it makes no difference to me. I think it's fine to fail at being your best self, or to not even have a best self. I am interested in how assertively you can express your wants to your therapist because I fail at it repeatedly. That was it really, teenybash mcbasherville.
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I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to go on Thursday. My T has a 24hr cancellation policy, so I have to decide by tomorrow.

Pro's:
1. Maybe get some reassurance
2. Get to process some
3. Get some understanding/answers
4. I usually love being with my T

Cons:
1. I'm going to probably be a blubbering mess.
2. My worst fears could come true
3. She could be mad at me
4. She might not be empathetic
5. I might hurt more afterwards

Eta:I think my answer is to go. However, part of me wants to test her...see how she reacts. If she reacts positive, I'll see her. If she's mean or dismissive, then I don't see her. Again, I think I have my answer. I need to tell her that I want to test her. Sometimes I hate being so honest...

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Yes, go. Don’t play games.
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However, part of me wants to test her...see how she reacts. If she reacts positive, I'll see her. If she's mean or dismissive, then I don't see her. Again, I think I have my answer. I need to tell her that I want to test her. Sometimes I hate being so honest...
I'm sorry you are struggling so much with this. Abandonment fears are the absolute worst, especially when they spring up on you like this. I really think you should go to your appointment. IMO, playing games and "testing" her won't get you very far. I don't think T's are meant to chase after clients if they decide not to show up. Didn't she ask you in her previous reply to let her know if you are intending not to go?

Also, I don't know you or your T, but from the replies that you have posted, she hasn't been "mean" or "dismissive" at all, on the contrary. And I'm happy that you can be this open with her over email. IMO, she already gave you a lot of reassurance so I think that going to your appointment will just build on that and you will leave feeling a lot more positive. I also think that it's important to talk through all of this face to face.

Your T deciding to have a baby is in no way an attempt on her part to "get rid of you" or abandon you. And I know that you know this on an intellectual level. I too, struggle to see things for what they are when I'm feeling vulnerable and emotional. But I really think that this appointment will be a chance for you to work through this stuff and start seeing things a little less negatively.

I wish you all the best!
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I sent her an email telling her that I would go and telling her how I felt.
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I've thought about it all day. I have my answer. However, I have a huge desire to "test" you. I'm admitting it because I need you to understand how hard this is. I thought if you responded positively (i.e. asking me to come in) that I would. But if you threaten me with some sort of consequence or challenged me back, then I wouldn't go. See, I really want to push you away. Better to push you away than to prolong the suffering. Then I reject you before you can reject me. Testing you would show me whether or not you care. Would you threaten me with your cancellation policy? Or tell me how wrong I am? Or how I will regret it? Or would you be compassionate and understanding and gentle with me? I will never know. But I also want to cancel so I can cut. If I cancel, then I'll never see you again. I won't want to. And then you won't be my therapist, and I can cut.

I am scared to see you, borderline terrified. I don't want to suffer. I'm suffering enough. And my crying this week has been full on tears and snot. That will be so embarrassing in front of you.

But my answer is yes, I'll see you Thursday. My heart and logic wins out. I did the pros and cons, and there's more pros. That and I would regret not going if you actually aren't going to abandon/leave me.

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I think it's great you are going to your session and I suspect it will be a good one.
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I am also glad you are going to your session. It is hard to go and face feelings, but the feeling of not going is way worse.

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I'm glad you thought about this and thoroughly and decided to come. Great job weighing out the pros and cons and realizing how you felt the urge to test me. I'm not sure how I can reassure you now, but just to say that you'll get through this. And tomorrow won't be as bad as you imagine!
Take care and lll see you tomorrow,
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