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I just found this website. Seems interesting. Some insightful comments made by people who view the website. Some are very similar to our traumas.

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I just found this website. You can search for public lawsuits made against psychiatrists in some countries. Not sure how much info is available but it is disturbing to see so many...

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I really like this website and the survivor has written a book, which you can buy as an ebook for less than $2. There is also much free content, including a blog with supportive commentary.
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Not research and not necessarily new, but I’ve found a few first hand accounts of therapist exploitation:
“You Must Be Dreaming”

“Fish In A Barrel”

I’ll add more when i find them.
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TELL’s reading list includes a 800-page book by Gary Schoener which sounds hard to get, but maybe they can help. Author Susan Penfold is both a practitioner and survivor.
https://www.therapyabuse.org/RS_sugreadings.htm
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TELL’s reading list includes a 800-page book by Gary Schoener which sounds hard to get, but maybe they can help. Author Susan Penfold is both a practitioner and survivor.
https://www.therapyabuse.org/RS_sugreadings.htm
I’ve been in contact with Gary Schoener. He’s appeared on a panel on Oprah talking about the subject, as well. Not sure if he’s retired or not but he founded or co-founded the “Walk-In Counseling Center” in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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My experience with Dr. Schoener: he accepted a ‘cold call’ from me all those years ago and was the person to refer me to a great therapist knowledgeable about therapist exploitation, PrevT.
I feel they likely saved my life, at the time.

He’s not only an expert on therapist exploitation, he’s a great guy.
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I’ve been in contact with Gary Schoener. He’s appeared on a panel on Oprah talking about the subject, as well. Not sure if he’s retired or not but he founded or co-founded the “Walk-In Counseling Center” in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Home - Walk-In

My experience with Dr. Schoener: he accepted a ‘cold call’ from me all those years ago and was the person to refer me to a great therapist knowledgeable about therapist exploitation, PrevT.
I feel they likely saved my life, at the time.

He’s not only an expert on therapist exploitation, he’s a great guy.
That’s wonderful to learn. We exchanged a few emails years ago, likely via TELL.
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Not research and not necessarily new, but I’ve found a few first hand accounts of therapist exploitation:
“You Must Be Dreaming”

“Fish In A Barrel”

I’ll add more when i find them.
Another tough book, Ellen Plasil’s Therapist about a very complex exploitation and brave aftermath. Schoener might have recommended it, come to think about it.
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"Folie A Deux: An Experience of One-to-One Therapy" by Rosie Alexander is a tough one to read, at least for me it was. But it was also a page turner.

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Forgive me if it’s been mentioned before but there is a book from 1972 that supports therapist/patient sexual intimacies:

“The Love Treatment” by Martin Shepard


https://www.amazon.com/Love-Treatmen.../dp/0446668265

I bought it once. Gave it away.
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I wonder if anyone has ever written and published a book that talks about emotional abuse in therapy via gaslighting and the devastating consequences it creates. I am not talking about books that criticize therapy as a system. There are some of those available. I am talking about someone describing their personal experience in such therapy and later during the aftermath in the same way people who were sexually abused by therapists told their stories. I don't think there is any such book, even though, I believe, this type of abuse is more common than sexual, financial or any other where the ethical boundaries are obviously broken. I am talking about clients' experiences in which NO formal ethical boundary ever gets broken and yet they create the devastation often similar to more obvious forms of abuse and the clients, who are victims of it, get a much harder time being validated by others, because many people don't even understand what they are talking about since no formal violation can be described or pointed out.

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I I don't there is any such book, even though, I believe, this type of abuse is more common than sexual, financial or any other where the ethical boundaries are obviously broken. I am talking about clients' experiences in which NO formal ethical boundary ever gets broken and yet they create the devastation often similar to more obvious forms of abuse and the clients, who are victims of it, get a much harder time being validated by others, because many people don't even understand what they are talking about since no formal violation can be described or pointed out.
I would argue that any form of emotional abuse by a therapist violates the ethical standards for competent care. I don't see how the perpetration of emotional abuse could be said to be within the boundaries of competent care. Perhaps the larger issue is proving what was said, whereas financial exploitation leaves a trail and sexual abuse can often be proved, if denied. So I don't think the problem of emotional abuse is that it doesn't violate ethical boundaries or the code of ethics. I also think that competent care could involve problems other than emotional abuse, but emotional abuse would always be a violation of the standard of care.
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I wonder if anyone has ever written and published a book that talks about emotional abuse in therapy via gaslighting and the devastating consequences it creates. I am not talking about books that criticize therapy as a system. There are some of those available. I am talking about someone describing their personal experience in such therapy and later during the aftermath in the same way people who were sexually abused by therapists told their stories. I don't think there is any such book, even though, I believe, this type of abuse is more common than sexual, financial or any other where the ethical boundaries are obviously broken. I am talking about clients' experiences in which NO formal ethical boundary ever gets broken and yet they create the devastation often similar to more obvious forms of abuse and the clients, who are victims of it, get a much harder time being validated by others, because many people don't even understand what they are talking about since no formal violation can be described or pointed out.
Interesting. Gaslighting was a huge part of my experience. I'm having trouble imagining a scenario in which emotional abuse wouldn't violate ethics, although I can imagine that it would be very hard to prove.
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Interesting. Gaslighting was a huge part of my experience. I'm having trouble imagining a scenario in which emotional abuse wouldn't violate ethics, although I can imagine that it would be very hard to prove.
It's, actually, quite easy to emotionally abuse clients without violating formal ethics. Emotional abuse in therapy settings is often disguised as a therapeutic technique of interpretation, which is a totally fair game from the official legal and ethical standpoint. If a therapist tells you that your anger towards them is a manifestation of your transference and has nothing to do with a therapist's behavior, even though you know damn well that it does, that's gaslighting a.k.a emotional abuse. But a therapist is not going to get in any trouble for this because the licensing board will construe his remarks as a perfectly legitimate therapy technique of interpretation. This is besides the fact that the content of your conversations in sessions cannot be proven, because, even if it can, a therapist is not going to suffer any consequences anyway.

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I would argue that any form of emotional abuse by a therapist violates the ethical standards for competent care. I don't see how the perpetration of emotional abuse could be said to be within the boundaries of competent care. Perhaps the larger issue is proving what was said, whereas financial exploitation leaves a trail and sexual abuse can often be proved, if denied. So I don't think the problem of emotional abuse is that it doesn't violate ethical boundaries or the code of ethics. I also think that competent care could involve problems other than emotional abuse, but emotional abuse would always be a violation of the standard of care.

I've observed wide disagreement about what constitutes emotional abuse. I find Dr. Phil a glib, bullying blowhard. Yet the American Psychological Association gave him an award and made him their keynote convention speaker.

I found myself in an Amazon reviewer skirmish over an "ethics" book by a prominent teacher on that subject. The author used composite fictional accounts to illustrate various ethics topics. Yet I found each of the illustrative patients in her stories contemptible, buffoonish and stupider than any human being I've known in real life. My review was answered with scorn and discrediting from this author's fans (presumably ethicists and ethics students), and the author who wailed I didn't understand her.

Closer to home, I lost my grievance, which included a psych social worker announcing "something about you makes me want to kick you." The psychologist co-therapist now states on his website that "optimal pain" is necessary for growth. I suppose he supplies it if her feels his clients haven't suffered enough, as when he insisted his ridiculing comments were to "challenge me."

I only conclude there is wide disagreement on around the topic of respect and large disparity about just what comprises the means to an end.
In my experience though, the client didn't get a vote.
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An article of interest:

"The Perversion of the Professional Caring Relationship"

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OMG - this is what I have been looking for! Two pages in, the book is putting into words the confusion of sorting out what role this person has had in my life.

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Once again, I will stress and underscore the word "formal" when I insist that emotional abuse can and does occur in therapy perfectly within the formal boundaries of what is considered a competent professional care.

When I show examples of how this can occur, we can all agree that the therapist's actions were emotionally abusive, but the issue is that the licensing boards, the professional ethics committees and the professional community as a whole do not see it as abuse. They see it as a therapist doing their job and a client demonstrating their lack of understanding that a therapist is simply doing their job, which, in their view, only confirms a client's mental disturbance, but in no way implies that a therapist did something wrong.

So what we see rightfully as abuse is not defined as such by the formal professional standards.

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