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Default Apr 06, 2019 at 08:13 PM
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Seriously? Is that what you think......I am testing him? NO

I do not play games in therapy.
You called it a game, not me. I'm just trying to figure out why you withheld information when doing so has left you in limbo. Seems like you're standing in your own way, and there has to be a reason for that.

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You called it a game, not me. I'm just trying to figure out why you withheld information when doing so has left you in limbo. Seems like you're standing in your own way, and there has to be a reason for that.
I can not find in this thread where I said it was a game.

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Default Apr 07, 2019 at 05:00 AM
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I can not find in this thread where I said it was a game.
Her point was that you seem to be testing your therapist. YOU replied back saying you don’t play games in therapy implying she was saying you play games. She never said that. Testing therapists the way you seem to be is not unusual, but you are the person who equated testing with game playing through your own reply.
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Her point was that you seem to be testing your therapist. YOU replied back saying you don’t play games in therapy implying she was saying you play games. She never said that. Testing therapists the way you seem to be is not unusual, but you are the person who equated testing with game playing through your own reply.
Im not testing or playing games. I do not feel the reason behind the trigger makes a difference in this situation. It comes down to abandonment wether I leave or he leaves for some reason and my attachment to him really smacked me in the face int this situation.

Now yes shame comes into play but I resent you saying I play games or test. You and anyone else saying that are projecting what YOU do in therapy onto my situations.

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Default Apr 07, 2019 at 05:23 AM
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I realize you don’t like hearing that other people are perceiving some testing of your therapist in the way you are waiting to see if he cares enough to instinctively know what is going on with you. We are not understanding your unwillingness to just be direct with him about this situation from the beginning. To not do so has just added more confusion to the situation for your therapy. That’s all we are saying. If you aren’t wanting any input from anyone as to how it is perceived through your posts, I understand that. Your response appears a bit reactive, so I will stop responding now.
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Default Apr 07, 2019 at 05:32 AM
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It strikes me that when one posts about a therapy situation that didn't turn out so well, and you've posted about other ones with this therapist, being distressed that he's not giving you what you want in therapy, I at least think you are open to hearing how you might be able to do things differently to perhaps make therapy work for you. Perhaps when you post you could let others know what you want, such as "I don't want to hear how I could do this differently" or "I only want validation that it's painful to not be heard by your therapist" or "I only want to hear that my therapist is doing it wrong with me". I think it would help me, not because I would be interested in saying such things, but because I don't want to frustrate you by being unhelpful. I think you should seriously consider how you engage your therapist with difficult things because it doesn't seem like your current approach is working, and you could stay stuck if that's what works for you, or you could be more open and let him into your heart and mind. Maybe that would work better.
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I think you described the situation well in your OP:

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Last week during a hard session he asked me if all my issues were fixed in therapy did I feel I could not come back anymore. I said yes....he asked why....I said that was the rules. He proceed to say the most kindest things I ever heard. He said I could keep coming back as much as I wanted as long as I wanted and if Anthem BCBS did not exist any longer he would figure out a sliding scale for me and that for not a single reason would he ever terminate me or kick me out. I could not stop the water works from coming.

Of course, I am sorry but, not one has ever said such things to me with a motive. No a cigar is not just a cigar. Things are said for a reason. I found out the truth a week later.

Yeah....now I know why he said that. He has not come out and told me out right but I knew there was a motive behind that. Something was off. He started dressing nicer. Nice pants and button down shirt as before he was more in T-shirts and jeans. I checked out his psychologyToday page and he has all new pictures and a new profile and he no longer takes insurance. So there you have it. That does not exist in life. There is always a hidden reason. I am devastated. We wiped out our bank accounts to buy a townhouse, as our landlord was selling his place and we could not afford it. I got into a car accident and had to use even more money to get a used car, we also had to get a loan on top of the mortgage......well I can not afford $600 a month. He is worth every penny. I am so mad for letting my guards down and trusting someone.

I wish I was not so painfully attached to him. This is so triggering. I wish I was dead so I do not have to feel this.
The desire/need to trust and depend on him, completely almost -- and the almost complete opposite: "It was not a kind gesture. That does not exist in life. There is always a hidden reason. I am devastated."

Is there a middle ground somewhere? Or something that will serve like it? Does your adult self have any perspective to contribute to this situation? I don't think you can count on your T to provide it -- or, may he kind of tried?

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First advice was do not give him so much power....I am not that special he said. Then was did I feel titrating sessions would help? Then he literally calculated that he was less than 1% of my weekly life. Then he asks why was it bad that I relied on him?
The question why is it bad FOR YOU that you rely on him may be a good one. You've certainly expressed that here. The attachment is so painful, and you don't trust the attachment, or yourself being attached. And you don't trust him -- but is that possibly a side issue, to what is going on in you? Is that something you might feel safe exploring with him?
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Moxie -

I think understand where you are coming from, and would have felt similarly.

How I’m reading this is that you had a moment with your therapist that felt connected, attuned and healing. It seems you attributed his motives for saying he’ll be there as being caring, genuine and reassuring - deeply connecting to your fears that he won’t be there for you, and seeing you.

I too would feel pain around the optics that his motives had an underlying business purpose that had nothing to do with ‘me’. It seems to directly contradict having your needs and fears seen and attended to.

I read a lot of pain in your posts about how dependent you are on your therapist. From someone who was in a similar position - I agree that it can feel horrific. Yet at the same point, no clear path out. I know there are multiple schools of thought around dependency, but for me it was not healthy and created more problems than it solved. I deeply resented being in a relationship in which another yielded so much power over my emotions. It felt extremely vulnerable and out of control. Particularly when I was triggered and went into a tail spin over things others wouldn’t see as a big deal.

I don’t have much for advice but get what you are going through. It is an extremely difficult position to be in. Wishing you healing!
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Moxie -

I think understand where you are coming from, and would have felt similarly.

How I’m reading this is that you had a moment with your therapist that felt connected, attuned and healing. It seems you attributed his motives for saying he’ll be there as being caring, genuine and reassuring - deeply connecting to your fears that he won’t be there for you, and seeing you.

I too would feel pain around the optics that his motives had an underlying business purpose that had nothing to do with ‘me’. It seems to directly contradict having your needs and fears seen and attended to.

I read a lot of pain in your posts about how dependent you are on your therapist. From someone who was in a similar position - I agree that it can feel horrific. Yet at the same point, no clear path out. I know there are multiple schools of thought around dependency, but for me it was not healthy and created more problems than it solved. I deeply resented being in a relationship in which another yielded so much power over my emotions. It felt extremely vulnerable and out of control. Particularly when I was triggered and went into a tail spin over things others wouldn’t see as a big deal.

I don’t have much for advice but get what you are going through. It is an extremely difficult position to be in. Wishing you healing!
I wish I was as insightful and articulate as you.

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