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Default May 02, 2019 at 07:31 PM
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For me what had to be reckoned with was that the other person in this "relationship" was not invested in it. She was there to collect income and to get some needs gratified and to further her career. It was a fabricated relationship with no legs. Most of the drama was in my head.

These things can evaporate in an instant, because one person sees the relationship as disposable. And meanwhile, in some cases, the other person has everything riding on it. That kind of asymmetry is usually poisonous. But therapists will tell you it's safe and healing and all the rest of it. And yet everywhere online where therapy is discussed you see the same stories of desperate clients being taken out like the trash.

Not everyone will be so nihilistic about it, but I find comfort in shredding all the BS and dealing with reality.
I understand that you might feel that way and many Ts might think the relationship is disposable, but I don’t agree that it has to be that way and I don’t believe my T disposed me or the relationship. I think it was a professional relationship and she couldn’t help me when I crossed her boundary as a professional objective therapist. I don’t want to argue, but I feel like I needed to respond to your post because that is a thought/idea/concept that once would have been really triggering (and still is a little, TBH). However, I’m trying really hard to see the gray in the situation and not be so black and white about therapy, the therapeutic relationship, and my termination. She didn’t dispose of me, she said goodbye and it was really hard for her.
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I can relate so much to what you say here. Apologies if I’m wrong, but what you said here seems a little different than your previous post. I don’t know your story, but you described your T as being narcissistic, incompetent, and broken which may be entirely true. I think I was just confused as to what made you realize that the two of you were in different worlds and your T wasn’t all-evil or all-amazing. Again, I don’t mean to challenge you, I’m just genuinely interested because your two posts seem contradictory to me. I want to believe that T and I were on two totally different wave lengths, but I feel afraid that I’m invalidating or dismissing the mistakes each of us made. At the same time, telling myself that we each did the best we could is comforting... it somehow feels like it’s more caring that way... but then I spiral ask myself “does she really care if she’s not even willing to admit that she has made mistakes?” Not to sound full of myself, but I’m so quick to say that I screwed up in many ways (and I made many more mistakes than her), but even when I admit that to her, she doesn’t take any ownership of her part in it.
You’re asking about the contradiction that still tortures me!

She is absolutely narcissistic, incompetent and broken! If she weren’t more than that, I would have been able to walk away earlier with far fewer scars. I do believe she cared about me in a way I haven’t felt cared about in the past. When things weren’t angry, she listened to me, cried with me and laughed with me. She was exquisite and lovely. Yet, she didn’t know what to do with anger and negativity and couldn’t work ‘in the moment’ or make effective use of transference.

In anger, she’d say things that are inexcusable and damaging. She shattered my sense of self and rejected a piece of me I’m not sure I’ll ever see again. I’ve been validated and empathized with by each of the therapist I’ve consulted with. It’s not much of a consolidation.

To move on, I’ve had to accept all of it. The good, the bad, the ugly. I’ve accepted my part and accepted her part. I accept that I may never see her again. I accept that she’s probably forgotten me or moved on by now, and that when she thinks of me it’s probably in anger. I love her anyway, despite all of this. I hate her too.

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Default May 02, 2019 at 07:55 PM
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About the different wave lengths part - we could never, ever agree on what had happened in past sessions. We interpreted events and situations in totally different ways.

Whenever she tried to infer what was bothering me, she was usually wrong. She’d try to offer insights that had no relevance to me or what I was trying to say. We were two totally different people!
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Default May 03, 2019 at 05:26 PM
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Agree these things are gray, not black and white. And I don't mean to imply anything about your situation.

But speaking generally, exploitation done with caring words is still exploitation. Actions speak louder than words.

All a therapist has to do with is show some emotion, or say they care, thus manipulating the unconscious of the client/victim, and they are off the hook, no consequences.

Therapists answer to no one.

The general public will back therapists because the general public is guided by herd mentality. And the therapy community will bend over backward to give therapists the benefit of the doubt in order to sustain belief.

Driving down the therapist's street might constitute a violation of the therapist's boundaries, but baiting you into emotional dependency/attachment in a context where it is absolutely inappropriate is a much larger violation, and is the one that sets the table for all the problems that follow.

Therapy IS a violation.
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About the different wave lengths part - we could never, ever agree on what had happened in past sessions. We interpreted events and situations in totally different ways.

Whenever she tried to infer what was bothering me, she was usually wrong. She’d try to offer insights that had no relevance to me or what I was trying to say.
Sounds a lot like my dealings with the first woman.

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