Therapy is bs/wrong!

Poiuytl · May 24, 2019 at 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mopey

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Originally Posted by Forgetmenot07

And this refers to?

I am quite sure this refers to Anne2.0, who has since left for a happier place.

I hope this isn’t as ominous as it sounds???

"I just know that I've popped into a happier place in my life"

Her own ominous words !

Poiuytl · May 24, 2019 at 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BudFox

I don't believe therapists have any control over what happens.

Client safety is a meaningless concept. The system serves therapists, and puts clients at risk.

The client can be coaxed deep into the s**t. then terminated against their will. There is nothing to stop this.

The client can be destabilized by a session then abruptly dispatched. See ya next week.

Long term or intensive therapy is largely a reckless social experiment.

The only sure thing is the therapist gets paid.

I once more want to agree with you, BudFox. You are as steadfast and loyal as a buddy, and as sly, pragmatic, insightful as a fox. And you do not shy away from expressing the rather bleak truth as you see it. From the perspective of the fox.

At least that's my impression.

Poiuytl · May 24, 2019 at 09:40 AM

You have masculine energy !

unaluna · May 24, 2019 at 10:15 AM

It sounds like she thought you were asking her out, and so the therapy was over. Is this what we are skating around? Could she have interpreted your many emails that way and just declined to bring it up?

Forgetmenot07 · May 24, 2019 at 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by unaluna

It sounds like she thought you were asking her out, and so the therapy was over. Is this what we are skating around? Could she have interpreted your many emails that way and just declined to bring it up?

what do you mean by asking her out?

unaluna · May 24, 2019 at 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Forgetmenot07

what do you mean by asking her out?

Dating. Defining the boundaries of the relationship. Whatever. Im asking if thats how she could have interpreted your emails.

Poiuytl · May 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM

She might think:

I ought to get paid for this! He's trying to get free therapy! This is against the guidelines, I must discourage it!

Best by not bringing them up. It's called "managing expectations".

unaluna · May 24, 2019 at 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Poiuytl

She might think:

I ought to get paid for this! He's trying to get free therapy! This is against the guidelines, I must discourage it!

Best by not bringing them up. It's called "managing expectations".

When the client is in the office, she IS getting paid. I dont understand your answer. I DO understand that she is not doing therapy by email, that if the client wants to discuss something, they must bring it up in session.

Forgetmenot07 · May 24, 2019 at 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by unaluna

Dating. Defining the boundaries of the relationship. Whatever. Im asking if thats how she could have interpreted your emails.

no, no... bounderies of the therapeutic relationship. absolutely nothing to do with dating etc. I was trying to teremine whats acceptable and ok in therapy (ex anger) and outside of therapy (emails. contact) as it was getting blurred for me after an intense period in my life when I started to rely on her too much for emtional support.

Forgetmenot07 · May 24, 2019 at 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Poiuytl

She might think:

I ought to get paid for this! He's trying to get free therapy! This is against the guidelines, I must discourage it!

Best by not bringing them up. It's called "managing expectations".

I would also say 'probably no'. She was never concerned about getting paid for email/ or spending time reading them and I brought it up a few times in the past

Forgetmenot07 · May 24, 2019 at 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Xynesthesia2

MeToo

Forgetmenot07, I think you may have much more mental strength and objectivity than you give to yourself!

Thank you, I appreciate your encouragement. This post alone has been a bit of an eye opener. it’s very difficult to be objective about once own story. On one hand we are the experts but on the other hand strong emotional involvement can blind us to what’s most obvious. I think discussions in here are very engaging but at the end of the day the decision making and responsibility is still ours -I know it sounds obvious. Getting upset because people disagree is pointless. I am not arguing with anyone if anything arguing my point (I think there is a difference).

SalingerEsme · May 25, 2019 at 08:58 PM

Did anyone listen to the Shrink Next Door podcast on Wondery/ iTunes? Dr. Isaac Steven Herschkopf 's take over of his client(s) is mind boggling, but I get it too.

missbella · May 25, 2019 at 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SalingerEsme

Did anyone listen to the Shrink Next Door podcast on Wondery/ iTunes? Dr. Isaac Steven Herschkopf 's take over of his client(s) is mind boggling, but I get it too.

I'm just starting. Wow. My entrapment was mild compared to this, but I identify with the cult aspects. As this guy still is a practicing psychiatrist, I'm interested to see if there's any fallout.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

SalingerEsme · May 26, 2019 at 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by missbella

I'm just starting. Wow. My entrapment was mild compared to this, but I identify with the cult aspects. As this guy still is a practicing psychiatrist, I'm interested to see if there's any fallout.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I know!!!!!!!! Unbelievable he still practices, and seems to teach at NYU???

missbella · May 26, 2019 at 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SalingerEsme

I know!!!!!!!! Unbelievable he still practices, and seems to teach at NYU???

I guess he still practices, though internet listings can be out of date. Scarily, I looked up his writings, which make he seem wise and spiritual. I can see why he was so seductive-- virtue signaling at its most convincing.

May 26, 2019 at 05:03 PM

Wow and I thought I was trapped with a $200 a week therapy addiction! Awful!

Xynesthesia2 · May 26, 2019 at 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleMirrors3

Wow and I thought I was trapped with a $200 a week therapy addiction! Awful!

Same! I have not heard the podcast or read about that guy much yet but my second T had it as his business strategy to advertise being a highly qualified T for high achievers and even rambled quite a bit in our very first phone consult about how most of his clients are super successful professionals. It did sound like a red flag a bit but he made other positive impressions so I overlooked that part. What I learned with time though was that he collected that money (and my $200 fee was apparently quite reduced relative to his full fee, I refused to pay more than that) pretty much for an hour of enjoyable, typically sophisticated conversation. There was very little going on what I would consider therapy and he also did not challenge me much at all and we never had conflicts, I guess he makes sure he presents a likable persona so that clients continue to pay him for the company. Of course a sense that one is part of that sort of "elite" is seductive and I think he is a smart businessman for building that sort of image and clientele.

Mopey · May 26, 2019 at 06:31 PM

I was interested and listened to the first few minutes of the podcast to where the Nocerras go over to the shrink’s house for drinks, and after that I turned it off. I really didnt want to hear any more. Why? Because the guy just sounded like a regular, common, garden variety a———hole to me. And there are so many.

Anyone else have the same reaction?

missbella · May 26, 2019 at 07:46 PM

I listened to all podcasts available and believe this shrink took manipulation to stratospheric levels. His boorishness as a Hamptons host was just the first veneer. This is an East Coast version of The Brian Wilson story.

here today · May 27, 2019 at 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mopey

I was interested and listened to the first few minutes of the podcast to where the Nocerras go over to the shrink’s house for drinks, and after that I turned it off. I really didnt want to hear any more. Why? Because the guy just sounded like a regular, common, garden variety a———hole to me. And there are so many.

Anyone else have the same reaction?

I couldn't listen through to the end of the podcasts, etiher. Too scary, too sad. Too "ordinary", yes.

One thing I read ABOUT the series said that Marty finally broke free, so I will be interested in hearing about that when it comes out. A lot of years of his life, though.

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Poiuytl Member Member Since May 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 352 4	May 24, 2019 at 09:40 AM #203 You have masculine energy !
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unaluna Elder Harridan x-hankster Member Since Jun 2011 Location: Milan/Michigan Posts: 39,836 (SuperPoster!) 12 66.3k hugs given	May 24, 2019 at 10:15 AM #204 It sounds like she thought you were asking her out, and so the therapy was over. Is this what we are skating around? Could she have interpreted your many emails that way and just declined to bring it up?
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Poiuytl Member Member Since May 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 352 4	May 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM #207 She might think: I ought to get paid for this! He's trying to get free therapy! This is against the guidelines, I must discourage it! Best by not bringing them up. It's called "managing expectations".
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SalingerEsme Grand Poohbah Member Since Jul 2017 Location: Neverland Posts: 1,805 6 4,957 hugs given	May 25, 2019 at 08:58 PM #212 Did anyone listen to the Shrink Next Door podcast on Wondery/ iTunes? Dr. Isaac Steven Herschkopf 's take over of his client(s) is mind boggling, but I get it too. __________________ Living things don’t all require/ light in the same degree. Louise Gluck
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Anonymous41422 Guest Posts: n/a	May 26, 2019 at 05:03 PM #216 Wow and I thought I was trapped with a $200 a week therapy addiction! Awful!
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Mopey Magnate Member Since Oct 2018 Location: California Posts: 2,025 5 1,520 hugs given	May 26, 2019 at 06:31 PM #218 I was interested and listened to the first few minutes of the podcast to where the Nocerras go over to the shrink’s house for drinks, and after that I turned it off. I really didnt want to hear any more. Why? Because the guy just sounded like a regular, common, garden variety a———hole to me. And there are so many. Anyone else have the same reaction?
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missbella Grand Poohbah Member Since Jun 2010 Location: here Posts: 1,845 13 814 hugs given	May 26, 2019 at 07:46 PM #219 I listened to all podcasts available and believe this shrink took manipulation to stratospheric levels. His boorishness as a Hamptons host was just the first veneer. This is an East Coast version of The Brian Wilson story. __________________ https://disequilibrium1.wordpress.co...aks-her-piece/
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