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Default May 27, 2019 at 04:14 PM
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The Shrink Next Door

A cautionary tale at its most frightening, "The Shrink Next Door," is a serial podcast about an exploitative psychiatrist and his mark. I see this as an east coast version of the Brian Wilson-shrink relationship --the consequences of relinquishing too much control to a therapist, or anyone.

Caveat: It's a worst-case therapy story.
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Default May 27, 2019 at 04:44 PM
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At first I thought you were talking about Joseph Burgo.

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At first I thought you were talking about Joseph Burgo.
This guy actually has a humble"act" online.
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I can't stand Joseph Burgo. The the jury is still out on The Shrink Next Door story.
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I can't stand Joseph Burgo. The the jury is still out on The Shrink Next Door story.
I can't stand Burgo either.
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Default May 27, 2019 at 06:11 PM
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Maybe I should give this podcast another try, MissBella. I’m sure I’d learn a lot. It’s just that I’m pretty sure I can see the way it’s heading, and it’s all so horribly depressing.....
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Default May 27, 2019 at 06:21 PM
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I can be added to the can't stand burgo list.
I read about the guy in the podcast. I don't know if I could listen to it.

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Default May 27, 2019 at 06:37 PM
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I can understand why anyone wouldn't want to listen to it beyond simply the time investment. It's a tough story. Maybe hearing it helps me for forgive myself for my own suspension of judgment. It also stimulates my thinking about personal mythology and the strong need for shamans, safety and guidance.
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I can understand why anyone wouldn't want to listen to it beyond simply the time investment. It's a tough story. Maybe hearing it helps me for forgive myself for my own suspension of judgment. It also stimulates my thinking about personal mythology and the strong need for shamans, safety and guidance.
I absolutely can listen to the Shrink... podcast and am nearly done with whats available right now. There is very little to none that can trigger/make me feel bad these days to the extent that it would influence me/my moods significantly. Limit is time really. I'm listening to these on my walks and will share feedback later.
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Default May 27, 2019 at 10:20 PM
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oh my! 😯 very interesting story so far. i've listened to the first two episodes and I'm absolutely intrigued. i can't wait to hear how this ends. thanks for sharing this 🙂
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I absolutely can listen to the Shrink... podcast and am nearly done with whats available right now. There is very little to none that can trigger/make me feel bad these days to the extent that it would influence me/my moods significantly. Limit is time really. I'm listening to these on my walks and will share feedback later.
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It is not so much trigger - I just don't like listening to this sort of thing. I don't mind reading it and I listen to podcasts about other things, but for some reason this topic and listening are not what I would get through - I would spend a lot of time fast-forwarding-I get impatient with this sort of stuff.
I am glad it got posted and is on a podcast.

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Stopdog. Each podcast page includes some text offering an executive summary, if you’re interested. There’s so much podcast material out now, I rarely get to ones potentially of interest..

The story literally came to journalist Joe Nocera when Marty invited his South Hampton new neighbor to a party. The truth eventually unfolded, and Nocera spent several years in research. I think it’s well written.
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The story literally came to journalist Joe Nocera when Marty invited his South Hampton new neighbor to a party. The truth eventually unfolded, and Nocera spent several years in research. I think it’s well written.
agreed...it's well written and presented. the story about how this story came about is definilty quite interesting in its self.
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Default May 29, 2019 at 05:58 AM
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wow...just finished the 4th episode and of all the episodes so far, this one definitely resonates the most for me, especially Judith's story. it's unfortunate that there are others who have been harmed by this narcissistic shrink, but glad that Joe was able to locate and interview some of the other patients/clients and incorporate their experiences of their relationships and the therapy with Ike into this very peculiar story.
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I was struck most by the fact some patients and at least one colleague found Ike’s behavior acceptable.

My group therapy had no fun side, nothing extracurricular, just a whole group obediently at the feet of two scornful, useless authoritarians. But like in this “cult,” I had a difficult time escaping.
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I tried to listen to this while working but I'm paying more attention to this than work so will have to listen after I finish my homework in the evenings... I am interested.
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I have not finished the whole podcast yet but, so far, I have been struck by Marty's own involvement as well. It is hard for me to comprehend how someone can get so enmeshed for so long but I guess it's only me as I fail to relate to many other types of long-term interpersonal enmeshment and dependency also reported on this forum. I've grown to accept that it is just something I will probably never fully comprehend but can be very real/serious for many people (just like my substance addiction was for me).
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I have not finished the whole podcast yet but, so far, I have been struck by Marty's own involvement as well. It is hard for me to comprehend how someone can get so enmeshed for so long but I guess it's only me as I fail to relate to many other types of long-term interpersonal enmeshment and dependency also reported on this forum. I've grown to accept that it is just something I will probably never fully comprehend but can be very real/serious for many people (just like my substance addiction was for me).
I can't say how far the vulnerable, younger me would have followed Dr. Ike down the rabbit hole in the cause of "healing." I thought too long that others had a life wisdom I lacked, and my therapists played guru roles to the hilt.

Fortunately, friends' guidance saved me from my bully therapists, so, unlike Marty, I wasn't isolated. Marty also didn't have the internet when the relationship started. Reinforcement is critical when disentangling from a cult, I think.

Then there's the unsourced quote:
"It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Many people want divine figures and strong men.
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I can't say how far the vulnerable, younger me would have followed Dr. Ike down the rabbit hole in the cause of "healing." I thought too long that others had a life wisdom I lacked, and my therapists played guru roles to the hilt.

Fortunately, friends' guidance saved me from my bully therapists, so, unlike Marty, I wasn't isolated. Marty also didn't have the internet when the relationship started. Reinforcement is critical when disentangling from a cult, I think.

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"It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Many people want divine figures and strong men.
What I bolded is so critical, I think, and an area where many Ts are definitely in the wrong, for example when they try to enforce that clients don't see another T in parallel (so a second opinion) and don't take the content of therapy elsewhere. It can serve them well when they try to manipulate and dominate but blocks reality checks. My 2nd T was very realistic in this sense and never told me not to seek feedback and help elsewhere, he more encouraged the opposite and that was also my opinion. I got into some crazy and useless fights with my 1st T over this though, who definitely tried to play the authority and dominance games. I refused to engage in that pretty shortly though and told him bluntly that I was not interested and did not see the point, especially if the feedback and advice he gave made no sense to me and some could have even been detrimental (e.g. not to seek other support when I was stuck in a nasty addiction relapse) if followed.

I think many of these dictator-like Ts are deeply insecure deep down and often are drawn to the profession because they learn they would be able to manipulate and take advantage of confused and vulnerable clients. I am pretty convinced that anyone who want to be cult leaders and dictators fall either in that category or have psychopathic tendencies.
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I think many of these dictator-like Ts are deeply insecure deep down and often are drawn to the profession because they learn they would be able to manipulate and take advantage of confused and vulnerable clients. I am pretty convinced that anyone who want to be cult leaders and dictators fall either in that category or have psychopathic tendencies.

A therapist I know non-professionally started to use interrogative protocol with me, posturing as if I were accountable to her. I no longer seek a guru, much less her, and I stopped her right away. I can imagine her with a vulnerable client.
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