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#21
I just wrote an email at work and didn't use a comma when I should have! Doh! I wrote, "In the meantime we will do xyz." It should have been, "In the meantime, we will do xyz." I was very annoyed while writing that email so my annoyed self did not take note of where the commas should be.
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I had to take a transformational grammar course for my degree (some professor's pet course). My big memory was being called out for a perfect score on a test. He said he tried to find even a minor spelling error and had no luck. I don't think the other English majors in the class were pleased with me. For some reason, people struggled with the course. I found it stupidly easy but not particularly practical for actually teaching English.
My issue isn't so much with grammar as with typos. I think and type faster than my brain proofs at times (and I suck at typing on a phone or iPad). I used to do some diagramming with my students back in the days when I taught middle schoolers. They would diagram on individual white boards. I fondly remember students turning their white boards into protest signs: NO MORE DIAGRAMMING! LOL! One of those students is now a news anchor for a major station here, and he is a frequent supporter of our high school (his alma mater). I always have to give him a hard time. I remember him in MC Hammer parachute pants. LOL! |
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#24
SlumberKitty, the fact that you even thought about it puts you in a proud--and rapidly shrinking--pool!
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#25
I found transformational grammar very frustrating in many ways. But the biggest problem for me was that I can't see spatial relationships in my head. I can create them on paper, and evaluate them as drawn, but I have to see each step on the page before I can assess it. So when I had to create transformative diagrams, I couldn't know how much room on the page I'd need, and where, until I drew it. I personally killed more trees that semester than in the rest of my life!
I don't think I'd find it useful for teaching high school English, either; but I found it very informative for teaching non-native speakers. |
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I'm not entirely sure I even know what transformational grammar is. Also, I'm sure I've never had to diagram a sentence.
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#28
I'm bored. Coworkers are bothering me today. I want to put on my headphones and just pretend I'm not here and that I can't hear them. I want this last half hour of work to be over so I can be in weekend mode. Just grumbling. Don't mind me.
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#30
Not that I'm actually working....
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Does anyone have some awesome plans for the weekend? I have to read a chapter of a book tonight so I can be ready for book club tomorrow morning, but I don't have anything planned that is out of the ordinary.
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I want to live vicariously through someone else's awesome weekend plans!
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#33
Yes, I am spamming the couch a little.
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#34
Sorry everyone. I'm not usually so chatty.
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Oh goodness! I made it to the weekend! Yippee!! So ready....
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I'm going to a bridal shower tomorrow. Should be fun.
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Artley, I'm sure it was dropped. It's usually offered in grad linguistics programs, and even then, only programs that are theoretical in their orientation. And I remember very few specifics from the course; it was more that it informed my thinking about grammar at a foundational level.
SlumberKitty, Transformational or Transformational Generative Grammar is a paradigm developed by Noam Chomsky as a way of conceiving of grammar not prescriptively, like we all learned in school, but as a conceptual framework to understand the structure of language as an inherent capacity, comprised of both an internal awareness and an externalized influence. So it assumes that language has inherent structure and relationships between parts that are reflective of both internal capacity for language and external usage input from the environment. Sometimes it's described as the "deep structure" of all language. The sort of rules we associate with prescriptive grammar are only descriptive of externalized language. TG helps explain a lot about the gap between what native speakers of a language intuitively understand about the relationship between form and meaning, and what non-native speakers find contradictory and experience as "exceptions to the rules"--which English is full of! But I don't think this^ will fit on a pillow! |
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