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Default Sep 16, 2019 at 02:41 PM
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They shouldn't ideally but some therapists' actions (e.g. pattern of giving in to clients or allowing too much) inevitably seem to lead to client dependency.

I am really surprised at how many Ts allow outside contact... It leaves no agency or personal responsibility for clients who are all too keen to run to T without trying to self-support (or self-soothe). It used to be: therapy - clients process for a week - therapy which would lead to clients to manage their lives and/or emotions.

Scarily enough, for many clients, instead of focusing on one's own life, patterns, coping etc. (which fosters independence), the main focus seems to be on their relationship with their T. This is not the purpose of therapy. The T relationship ought to enable changes in one's life outside the therapy space.

It all seems to have been distorted into some sort of over-reliance on T and/or power struggle to get Ts to change. Again, it is not a T's job to accommodate every client need or whim. Therapy is meant to be a safe space but it does not mean that everything goes. We are bound to hit boundaries, which is a good (if painful) thing as it helps shine a light on some aspect of ourselves we need to work on. Or at least informs on how we come across in the 'real' world.
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Default Sep 16, 2019 at 04:52 PM
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I guess accountability is in the same neighborhood as dependency? I feel like I am more accountable to my t than I am to myself, and that's part of the reason I'm taking a break from seeing her right now. I need to practice being 100% accountable to ME. She didn't agree with me on that concern, of course, but tough toenails. It's how I feel. She is also very focused on the relationship being super important, says that "this doesn't work" without the relationship, etc. But I feel like we are too close in some ways, I dunno. I just needed to pull back for awhile and try to look at this 'relationship' objectively.
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Default Sep 16, 2019 at 11:01 PM
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They shouldn't ideally but some therapists' actions (e.g. pattern of giving in to clients or allowing too much) inevitably seem to lead to client dependency.

I am really surprised at how many Ts allow outside contact... It leaves no agency or personal responsibility for clients who are all too keen to run to T without trying to self-support (or self-soothe). It used to be: therapy - clients process for a week - therapy which would lead to clients to manage their lives and/or emotions.

Scarily enough, for many clients, instead of focusing on one's own life, patterns, coping etc. (which fosters independence), the main focus seems to be on their relationship with their T. This is not the purpose of therapy. The T relationship ought to enable changes in one's life outside the therapy space.

It all seems to have been distorted into some sort of over-reliance on T and/or power struggle to get Ts to change. Again, it is not a T's job to accommodate every client need or whim. Therapy is meant to be a safe space but it does not mean that everything goes. We are bound to hit boundaries, which is a good (if painful) thing as it helps shine a light on some aspect of ourselves we need to work on. Or at least informs on how we come across in the 'real' world.
Geez. I think you're wrong.
I can contact out of session.
Most times I don't.
But all this self sooth rubbish.
Have you rea that out off "client no no's, 101"?

I always, feel when I read rigid posts, like this that the person is, cut off from they're own desires, to have a, T email out if session and reveal more about themselves.
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Default Sep 17, 2019 at 01:26 PM
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I can't help the assumptions you make about me. That's your prerogative.

Feel free to indulge in your rudeness.
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Default Sep 20, 2019 at 11:10 PM
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Well... what ever is happening in therapy. Is making me worse.
1) increased anxiety
2) pain attacks. To the point I have to put my face in old water
3) cant sleep. Have werid vidi dreams. Nightmares.
4) constantly worrying I can't have a break. Incredible ruminating.
5) increased OCD thoughts to the point I think people cursing me. I have to do my OCD rituals.

So there. What ever happening therapy is making me worse.
I just want to ran away from therapy. Just accept well...I will never get a job cause I'm mentally retarded.
I'm feeling very hopeless and powerless.

I dont expect you to understand. Cause not alot of people understand people with BPD anyway.
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I can't help the assumptions you make about me. That's your prerogative.

Feel free to indulge in your rudeness.

But you're assumptions are allowed.
Get real
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Default Sep 21, 2019 at 09:18 AM
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I believe, and think it is fair to say based on my history, that I became dependent on therapy, and for me it was the idea of therapy more than the therapist per se. But that's because I think I had OCPD. I was diagnosed with PDNOS 10 years ago, but that's after I had fallen apart. Never diagnosed with BPD.

There are some theories out there, and they make sense to me, that all people with PD's lack a strong, consistent sense of self. And that's part of what made me vulnerable, I think, to becoming enamored with, addicted to, and dependent on the idea of therapy -- both as part of my identity (a"mental patient") and as my (unrealistic?) hope as a way to become an OK, better person.

I also believe It's fair to say that the therapy establishment encouraged the idea of trust and dependence on the therapists, not recognizing situations like mine where that would be a bad idea. nor did I recognize it, because of the absence of a good sense of self.
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Hi. Me as a person of interest believe it can be done, if you are open to it. I have had this lovely illness for 30 years Fought this demon many times ups, downs and in between. I woke up about 12 years ago and realized I refuse to hide anymore I am no different then society.

Why would I be what do they have on me to fear me? Is it because I think alot is it because I stand my ground and see through there ignorance? Is it because I am quick to place a fact to them instead of non reality truth. Is it because I do not sugar coat my words, I will never know. So what I have alot of Mental illnesses combined and it gives me many emotion, in all reality I am no different no one can tell me they have never felt an emotion of grief, worry, stress ect.

So that's where I changed And got better I had a happy life, even was learning to love me, In remission no pills for 3 years now because I choose to allow this change with help in my life i accepted it fully. So yes they can and it will be over night, it is a process, and will be a life long process to keep your knowledge to help you stay where you get or got in life that makes you complete. I had all of it, and in a blink a inhale It was all ripped from my soul.

In 6 weeks my life was stolen from me It brought all my mental illnesses back out all at once and combined together very not pleasant feeling and hurts. I have been forced to be imprisoned in my home, I have lost wages, lost my freedom, my schooling has been greatly affected, because I reached out for help multiple times to my park managers for help to fix the problem of being timed by a neighbor nothing was done so instead of retaliating the way I could have I choose the logical way to go outside the box.

I filed a complaint to the authority which gave my neighbor a trespassing warning. You think you did the right thing trying to protect your home and family, I found It was not I guess you would say, because the next day they went down to the office 15 minutes after I talked to the office about the report I made on them and the outcome of the report. When they went down there these people aloud my stressor to retaliate on me, which has provoked my Sckizoaffective bipolar disorder, manic depressive mixed disorder, sever borderline personality disorders and PTSD, Panic and anxiety all relasp in one.

now I have been imprisoned in my home fear, lost all trust in people and now I am on the verge of losing my home, somehow the stressor had got it turned around on me and I am being evicted for failure to comply to community rules, not allowing my neighbors to live a peaceful enjoyful life without nuisances, and for not being reasonable and complying to resolve this, and I do not understand how all this is, how I did this, and the sad part I tried Been trying sense Aug 29th the day of my imprisonedment of my own home do to all this, and they have yet responded to me, but they have to them, and they have, aloud there employees and this neighbor to taunt me.

So Like I said you can they can, its a life time fight.
Just please do not end up like me, keep your eyes open at all times, so you never get a surprised uppercut, and all your work, down the drain.
Good Luck on this Journey Keep all Faith in yourself and you will go to your most effective desire in your life and beyond.

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