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Old 11-08-2019, 02:25 PM   #11
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I find it really hard to imagine that any T would say something like "God, I can't stand you" to a client, especially without any provocation. I agree with the others that you need to consider that what you're hearing isn't accurate.

Rather than firing your T, you should probably talk to her about this. She may be able to clarify what she actually said, and she may be able to help you with your feelings around this, about trust, etc. It sounds like a very difficult experience.
Hi Salmon77,

While I agree that it is hard for most people to comprehend a therapist saying such nasty things, I have experienced it many times... Behind closed doors - you'll get everything... I've even been threatened.

I mean, this world is so scary and dark and yet we still somehow doubt that those in power could ever harm someone.

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Hi Salmon77,

While I agree that it is hard for most people to comprehend a therapist saying such nasty things, I have experienced it many times... Behind closed doors - you'll get everything... I've even been threatened.

I mean, this world is so scary and dark and yet we still somehow doubt that those in power could ever harm someone.

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This is an inflammatory comment to make to someone who is struggling with intrusive thoughts (at best) and paranoid delusions (at worst). You need to reign yourself in and understand that your personal experience of abuse in therapy does not operate as a blanket interpretation.

OP; This post reads as someone who is experiencing a break from reality. It might be useful for you to engage with some reality checking. Is there someone who you trust who could listen to the recording and tell you what they hear? How about showing your therapist this thread? Something like The Helicopter View might be useful for you at the moment https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/docs/H...rWorksheet.pdf
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:20 AM   #13
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I believe it can happen. Whether it is happening here or not, I don't know. I suggest taping the therapist to find out
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Maybe give the recording to someone else and ask what they hear in it.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:00 AM   #15
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Maybe give the recording to someone else and ask what they hear in it.

This is a good idea.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:14 PM   #16
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Let someone else listen to a record and see what they hear. Make an apt with psychiatrist. Talk to your therapist about your concerns.
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OP only ever hears the therapist saying these things when listening back to recordings and it's also always when OP has happened to look away from the therapist for a moment. OP has never heard the therapist say any of these things in person. I am not someone who thinks it is inconceivable for a therapist to say these things to a client. However, from the description, it is clear that OP is struggling with paranoia induced delusions. OP identified paranoia as an issue for them in the previous post discussing this; it is not just an idea with no basis that is being used to explain away the situation. This is not a matter of people gaslighting OP because they can't imagine a therapist being abusive.

I think it's really harmful to OP to ignore the context of their post and their specific circumstances in favor of advancing one's own agenda. It's like if someone with paranoid schizophrenia thinks they are being followed by government agents and somebody tells them that yes, the FBI or CIA might be out to get them. Sure, the FBI and CIA do follow people, but it is exponentially more likely that the schizophrenia is behind the person's beliefs, not reality. It's not helpful and can be extremely harmful to reinforce delusions.

OP was doing well when they did not record the sessions, and does not do so well when they record them.

I support the idea of having someone else listen to the recording. I do not, however, think this should be an ongoing arrangement. I don't think recording the therapist is helpful for OP due to the paranoia issue.
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OP I really hope you can let someone listen the recording and see if they hear what you hear (like a family member), I also very much recommend to make an appt with a pdoc ASAP.

Several of your posts are concerning:as you don’t hear any of it in person and only hear it on the tape but even then it’s unclear and makes no sense, you also see things in therapists room like a condom in a corner

There are bad therapists out there who are maybe saying bizarre things only audible on tapes and not audible in sessions and maybe have condoms laying around in their office, but people making this thread about “evil doers” therapists and how to catch them instead of focusing on OPs well being is counterproductive

To OP, please seek help and I hope you feel better soon

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OP only ever hears the therapist saying these things when listening back to recordings and it's also always when OP has happened to look away from the therapist for a moment. OP has never heard the therapist say any of these things in person. I am not someone who thinks it is inconceivable for a therapist to say these things to a client. However, from the description, it is clear that OP is struggling with paranoia induced delusions. OP identified paranoia as an issue for them in the previous post discussing this; it is not just an idea with no basis that is being used to explain away the situation. This is not a matter of people gaslighting OP because they can't imagine a therapist being abusive.

I think it's really harmful to OP to ignore the context of their post and their specific circumstances in favor of advancing one's own agenda. It's like if someone with paranoid schizophrenia thinks they are being followed by government agents and somebody tells them that yes, the FBI or CIA might be out to get them. Sure, the FBI and CIA do follow people, but it is exponentially more likely that the schizophrenia is behind the person's beliefs, not reality. It's not helpful and can be extremely harmful to reinforce delusions.

OP was doing well when they did not record the sessions, and does not do so well when they record them.

I support the idea of having someone else listen to the recording. I do not, however, think this should be an ongoing arrangement. I don't think recording the therapist is helpful for OP due to the paranoia issue.
I got tired of listening to the tape, so I deleted the file AND the app.

I have someone who could have heard it for me, but I thought that it was too much

I'll rely on my memory and my journal. More than paranoid delusions, I guess that I'm just looking for a reason to stop therapy altogether, and that makes me sensible to this sounds that seemed like harmful words to me.

Sometimes, I do think that she is gaslighting me. I told her that there are these occasions when I feel she is saying things with double meaning and hurting me. She said that wouldn't that to me, in my face, that wouldn't be ethical, and what she says it's a reflection of the stuff that I bring to therapy.

Last session, like some previous ones, I stated the fact that I've never been in a romantic relationship. Like other times, I heard her (or thought so) saying "...because you're not getting laid". I thought "I should just ask her what she said, get a clarification", but I've let it slide. This was "on site". I didn't make a recording.

There was another thing, and this was less ambiguous, I think. We were talking about external appearance. She said "I don't like my nose, it's awful". I glanced to her nose on purpose, so I could say to her "It looks normal to me (it does, a little)" and I said it to her. When I looked at her, she said "Hey, don't stare at it" with what seemed an honest smile. Inmediately after that, she blatantly stares at my chest. I have a bit of moobs and I took it as "Would you like that I look at you like this?" It's a physical aspect that I didn't mention but it troubles me a lot. I dunno...maybe I'm overthinking things too much??
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OP I really hope you can let someone listen the recording and see if they hear what you hear (like a family member), I also very much recommend to make an appt with a pdoc ASAP.

Several of your posts are concerning:as you don’t hear any of it in person and only hear it on the tape but even then it’s unclear and makes no sense, you also see things in therapists room like a condom in a corner

There are bad therapists out there who are maybe saying bizarre things only audible on tapes and not audible in sessions and maybe have condoms laying around in their office, but people making this thread about “evil doers” therapists and how to catch them instead of focusing on OPs well being is counterproductive

To OP, please seek help and I hope you feel better soon
About the condom...I guess it could be anything. I was very tired and it was a quick glance. Besides, it seems that the offices there are being rented by many therapists. Anyone could've left or dropped that package

There are some things that I've heard without recordings, like I stated on my last reply. I've sought clarification by hearing on tape what I wasn't sure that I've heard in person
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