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Default Mar 30, 2018 at 09:58 AM
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I have a similar friend. I’ve been trying to keep her at arm’s length. This one is worse than a complainer, she attacks me for no reason that I deserve. Yet, I feel that I don’t want to defriend her again like I’ve done in the past several times.

It sounds like your friend is very depressed and can’t contain it, even in an Easter letter.
I had a similar friend. I wonder if I was the complainer but even though I knew that I had unintentionally was a complaining too much I tried my best to stop. I reevaluate something and realizing after asking for feedback so I would know what to improve it wasn't something that i was doing? It was how controlling my friend family was so she took her abuse out on me. I had to end my friendship with her. Nothing that I did was ever right to their standard.
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TB, you are so very clever, and intuitive. This person is a life-long depressive. She had one suicide attempt as a teen. OK. So in this Easter letter she said she has felt suicidal since her mother died. Well, her mother was 96 and had a long and full life, and was not a depressive, and I am certain she would not want my friend to grieve on. It has been three years. I told my friend she probably had complicated grief and she should seek out counseling at a grief counseling center. This is one thing that really irked her and got her dander up. Well, I am really not going to just sit there and hear her say she wants to commit suicide over her 96 year old mother's very peaceful passing. I mean she has a new beautiful grand child, and many other joys. She has a beautiful home, a lovely family blah, blah, blah. However....however....she is a depressive. Yes.

I can put up with her being a depressive. But I can't put up with vitriolic attacks. No, TB, I can't and I won't. I mean we have our own difficulties in life and we need to prioritize our self-care. I know (from your posts) that you treasure friendship, and so do I. But we must weigh the costs, too.
I myself suffer from complicated grief and it not fun because you want to enjoy life but can't because of the pain. Maybe she just really depressed and don't understand how that can affect other people. I lost my brother in law to suicide and had two brother myself include attempt suicide. Grief can affect a person in many ways.
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I did that exactly. Exactly. She got angry because she "has it so bad."
Perhaps you can tell her look I can't take the way that younare talking to me. When you are in a better mood. Than we can talk.
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Sometime people don't or aren't always aware of what they are doing so they don't always know how they are affecting other people. Sometime what is meant to be venting out their problem may turn into something else that is not intended on their part. She may have felt that you were attacking her in many ways. She may have felt hurt by what you had said to her without realizing her action and she said things out of anger.

Is it possible that the environment she grew up in where everyone complains all the time as a way to talk and this all normal? She may not realize how this affect other people? Or is possible that you and her may have completely misunderstood both intention? Maybe she meant to explain how her day went or how frustrated the holiday is without realizing how it came out in contexts? Perhaps you may have unintentionally snapped at her due to something you are going through without realizing it?

Try taking a deep breathe and relax. Ask yourself what you are willing to live with and what your not willing to live with? Once you know that answer then the rest will be easy. You can start out by saying! I really feel bad about what you said because I felt that you had attack my character because of something that I had said to you that had unintentionally upset you. I acted out in good faith with good intention when I suggestewhatT workbook it was just suggesting and you don't follow my suggesting but I really value our friendship. Right now I am really going through some things and I feel like you are not there for me like I am there for. I feel like you are complaining about everything every time we hang out and it is taking a toll on me. I can't take anymore of the complaining right now because i just have too much going on. Have you thought of asking someone else how they are feeling and how you might be able to help them so that you can take a break from your problem? I may have said something out anger and frustration without realizing it but we need come to some kind of mutual agreement about this problem.

This way your not attacking her but the problem. I too have the same problem myself. I try to make sure that I take time out to ask other people how they are doing and how I might be able to help? Sometime people don't realized what they are doing or how their action may affected other people. I hope this help you out and known that these are only suggesting and you don't have to do anything that make you feel uncomfortable.



OK, I know this person very well. This kind of discussion can never happen. She blames everyone around her. She blames her husband, her children, and now me, of course. She is not one to "drop down" into honest discussion. That is why I call her a Prima Donna. She elevates herself above others.

When my friend was younger these bad traits were balanced out by her creativity, humor, and generosity. She has allowed many of these to fall by the wayside.

Also, I am not interested in friendships as therapy anymore. I am not into trying to dig out the reasons why she said this or that. It isn't my job to try to figure out her moods, the meaning behind her words, blah, blah, blah.

On holidays I send her beautiful cards with lighthearted messages and nice gifts. I refrain from droning on about all my problems.

My friend does not accept criticism well at all. This is because she allows herself to be abused verbally by her partner and I guess, does so in return.

I don't have this in my life. I don't settle conflicts with nasty words. I don't have to "set a good example" with my adult friend to teach her how to behave.

She also defended her loyalty and how much she has been there for me. I thought about it and realize she has deluded herself. She believes she gives much more than she does. Months and months will go by where she does not contact me or does not return my phone calls because she is self-absorbed and depressed.

I am really thinking she has evolved into a not very nice person.

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Perhaps you can tell her look I can't take the way that younare talking to me. When you are in a better mood. Than we can talk.

We were emailing. Things got a bit out of control. You know we were shooting emails back and forth. Then she just shut down. After that I directed all her emails to my trash file. I was so angry and hurt.

So I don't know if she sent me any more emails because I just did not want to get an email with abusive type language.

This is a very old friendship. Decades old. More like sisters.

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Default Mar 30, 2018 at 10:21 AM
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Sounds like it's time to sit back after your nice little email to her & let her be the next to apologize. If she doesnt then I would definitely accept that there is a time & a season for everything under the sun. Sometimes long time friendships just do disolve because we do change & grow over time....even growing out of friendships that were able to be tolerated in our younger years.

Let her make the next move if there is to be one. That term....."the ball is in her court"would be appropriate right about now.

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Is she in therapy? I would strongly encourage her to be in therapy, group therapy too.
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When my friend was young she was very beautiful, like movie star gorgeous. She had long strawberry blond hair, piercing blue eyes, and a graceful figure. She had a lovely devilish sense of fun. She was very creative, and was a painter. So my memories of her kind of cloud my perceptions. Now she is pretty brittle and bitter and nothing makes her happy. It drives me nuts because she has a lot to be happy about. She dwells on the negative all the time. I guess I don't recognize who she has become.

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Is she in therapy? I would strongly encourage her to be in therapy, group therapy too.

She says she cannot afford private therapy. I suggested grief counseling because often this is offered free but she won't go to any group activity.

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I have a friend I always vent complaints with regarding meds, MH professionals, etc. She always responds than says "Keep in touch". I can't tell whether it bugs her or if I'm a burden or not.

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Sounds like it's time to sit back after your nice little email to her & let her be the next to apologize. If she doesnt then I would definitely accept that there is a time & a season for everything under the sun. Sometimes long time friendships just do disolve because we do change & grow over time....even growing out of friendships that were able to be tolerated in our younger years.

Let her make the next move if there is to be one. That term....."the ball is in her court"would be appropriate right about now.


Yes, I completely agree with you. If she doesn't want me in her life, so be it. I also believe you can't push the river. If someone doesn't want to be your friend...you cannot convince them of it. On today of all days I don't want to dwell on negativity but rather stay on a more spiritual plain.

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I myself suffer from complicated grief and it not fun because you want to enjoy life but can't because of the pain. Maybe she just really depressed and don't understand how that can affect other people. I lost my brother in law to suicide and had two brother myself include attempt suicide. Grief can affect a person in many ways.


Yes, yes, yes. I agree. But we all need to seek out help if possible.

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Big hugs to you. I am sorry to hear that. You could tell that she need seek counseling for herself and a marriage counselor.


Okay. So they refuse a marriage counselor and torture each other. I don't understand it.

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I have a friend I always vent complaints with regarding meds, MH professionals, etc. She always responds than says "Keep in touch". I can't tell whether it bugs her or if I'm a burden or not.


Does she complain back? Then it becomes like therapy without resolution. Or does she just listen? That is kind of still like therapy without resolution, I guess. I am guilty of same but I try not to do it.

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It has been soooooooooo helpful to talk this out. For a few days my energy has been stuck. Now I feel a bit free. Thank you, everyone. The situation is sad but I feel more prepared to face it honestly. From discussion here I see that it is a complicated relationship and I should not expect too much from it. It will also be sad to end the friendship after a long life of being friends...but if that is the outcome I will try to accept it.

I think friendship needs respect and I am going to try to remember that above all else.

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NEWS FLASH! MY FRIEND JUST RESPONDED TO MY EMAIL.

Did she apologize? Are you kidding? I realized something about her. She NEVER apologizes. She just went on about how dire and bleak her life is. Okay. So I have to accept the fact that she is a dyed-in-the-wool depressive for life. If you gave her a castle she would find it drafty. If you gave her a crown it would be too heavy. If you gave her jewels they would be too sparkly.

She needs CBT and some serious cognitive re-structuring...which was my original advice to her. She scoffed at the idea of "self-help" books.

Do some people really just want to suffer? She said her husband said she has a martyr complex. I wonder...

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How infuriating. My friend simply doesn't see a glass half full. She only sees a glass half empty.

She is just an anxious depressive. I don't think I can handle her in my life.

But THANK YOU TISH B...because I followed your advice and I am glad I did. My friend and I are again speaking. Thank you, all, for your kind words and advice.

But at this time I must keep this friend at arm's length as her "aura" is too toxic for me.

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If you want keep being her friend. You should definitely tell her to get professional help and get her a journal to vent in.

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If you want keep being her friend. You should definitely tell her to get professional help and get her a journal to vent in.

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Some people can't afford professional help. When she can afford it she does a little therapy which helps. But if she cannot afford it all the time it is painful.

She doesn't like to write. Would never keep a journal.

She doesn't take suggestions easily. That's how this latest argument started...because I made some suggestions like finding a grief counseling center and doing group work because she has complicated grief.

I can't serve as her long distance case worker. I have enormous problems of my own. I can only just keep being her friend on whatever level I am able.

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