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No you're right, some of us give out our "love" more freely than others. I'm also not very clear with them about what I want. I don't go in saying "I'm looking for a longterm relationship" because 1) that's gonna scare them off and 2) I also don't know if that's what I want with this particular guy. I think a relationship should develop organically over time.
Hey TheNightWhistle,

My advice about postponing sex still stands. There's a great article in GQ online about your conundrum, "Not Every Gay Man Is DTF." Because it's true, isn't it? You're battling with perceived stereotypes about gay men, in addition to the social pressures and expectations of being a gay man -- to have sex casually with every guy you meet.

Go against the grain and just date without sex on the table. Sure, that will totally feel awkward and even uncomfortable for you. BUT, the upside is, it takes the pressure and expectations OFF you to just enjoy the other guy's company. And if he runs away b/c you won't get DTF within minutes of meeting each other, well, wave goodbye to the guy.

Classy guys -- even the gay ones -- have standards and will wait for the right guy.

So, relax, don't do it, when you wanna go to it. When you want to ----, as our friend Frankie Goes to Hollywood sings. Don't listen to me. Listen to Frankie!
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If it is the common custom for sex on the first date, it makes it harder for you to stand up for your values. But you are not a piece of meat! Who made the rules that you are obligated to have sex because someone takes you out for a lamb chop? Someone who also wants a meaningful relationship will find your values refreshing.
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All I know is I have heard WAY too many real life horror stories about online dating. It would not be for me.
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@Have Hope...I sure YOU are a very nice person. But, dating sites are rife with those who are not. I could tell stories about it by seeing others and their fiascoes.
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Ok. I am going to give my honest opinion here. I KNOW that you of the younger generation basically live online, and I realize that perhaps online dating is a quicker way to meet people, and also it broadens your "field" a bit. However... I grew up with no such things. We all did. We all met people and dated. You dated people you knew or met through people who knew them, and could tell you about them, at least basically. Online, you can basically be anyone, and sell anyone on anything. I know a guy around here who brags online to be a big cowboy, that has used a Youtube video, saying that it is HIM riding a bull. My attitude about online dating is, if you have to use it, there is something wrong with you. You have exhausted your opportunities locally and need to reach for those who don't know you or know anything about you. Just my opinion.
I would hesitate to over simplify and say that if someone uses a dating app that there is something wrong with them. There is quite a broad variety of dating apps and with it being online a variety of types of people that use them. Some of them are pretty much for hooking up with others and others are more tailored to finding lifelong relationships.


I will agree that in many cases its not ideal as the sole method for finding dates and agree with some of the points you make about being able to sell anything online. While that's true, one needs to be careful with how they approach people and take security very seriously, not believing everyone is what they say they are, but those things considered, I think it can help people to find the right person, just not, in every case.

@TheNightWhistle: you said that the guys that you get intimate too soon "hit it and quit it" and those that you don't let that happen get bored and leave anyway. Seems to me that it's the quality of men you are meeting. Likely the ones that didn't 'get it" from you and left would have been in the same category as the first that would just be gone afterword anyway. Find better men, and take your time actually getting to know them first. Sex will never be a good basis for a lasting relationship.
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Here are two examples of people close tome who have been the liars. A female friend told men that she was "voluptuous in a Kate Winslet" sort of way. The woman weighs 300 lbs. I asked her outright if it bothered her that she was going to look like a fool when or if she met anyone. I have nothing against overweight people and never have, I am currently overweight myself and have battled the spare tire all my life. I have dated fat guys. It's no big deal. But don't lie about it. Sure enough... it didn't not workout for her. Now for our ex-room mate. After his 2nd divorce, which left him penniless for a long time, he decided that he was going to, ummmm.....make up for lost time, so to speak. Now this is a close friend of ours. A GOOD one. but here goes. He went on a "lie journey" of epic proportions. He would have several women going at the same time...citing work as the reason why he could not be with them at certain times. What blew it was when one certain woman found out where he was living and came to my house and started questioning ME about who I was. Long story short, THAT did NOT go over well, I am extremely territorial and when you are on my turf, you don't come demanding anything from me. Mind you I had NO idea he was doing this at the time. He had one girl he was officially seeing, and she had been a co-worker of ours years before. She was very busy with her grandchild so she did not want a 24/7 relationship. Understandable. So, his little BS fest caused trouble for people not even involved. Lots of people got hurt. But this is not an isolated incident. One of my girlhood friends met a guy online years ago and went out to see him at his request. He was all excited about seeing her, blah, blah,blah. Well, she flew to see him and when she got there he acted like he did not even know her. His room mates had to take her back to the airport, etc. So, that is my stance on it.
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Guys use dating sights as hook up sites. Often a guy just wants sex with different women, is not really interested in having an actual relationship.
I am sorry in that I did not know you were a gay male. However, I suppose that the same may ring true for gay males as well. Perhaps you might try not having sex right away with other males and let them know that you want to see how you get along first before you just begin getting physical with them.
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I think that this comes down to a deeper issue I have. I think that I'm worried that if I don't put out, then I won't be interesting enough for the guy to keep around. I don't think I'm charming, funny or cool enough to fall in love with, so I just have sex as a way to make sure that they have a good time with me. Maybe I need to learn how to love myself before somebody else can love me.
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Ok. I am going to give my honest opinion here. I KNOW that you of the younger generation basically live online, and I realize that perhaps online dating is a quicker way to meet people, and also it broadens your "field" a bit. However... I grew up with no such things. We all did. We all met people and dated. You dated people you knew or met through people who knew them, and could tell you about them, at least basically. Online, you can basically be anyone, and sell anyone on anything. I know a guy around here who brags online to be a big cowboy, that has used a Youtube video, saying that it is HIM riding a bull. My attitude about online dating is, if you have to use it, there is something wrong with you. You have exhausted your opportunities locally and need to reach for those who don't know you or know anything about you. Just my opinion.
I feel like this is really unkind. Technology is here-like it or not. The world has changed. I too met my husband the old fashioned way and it was love at first sight and we are married 23 years. If I hadnt met him and was still single I guarantee I would have used online dating. It may not be perfect and sure people can lie but so can people in real life. (ever seen Dirty John?) I think it can be a way to cut through some of the pick-up BS at bars- and for someone like me who cant drink- I wouldnt be at a bar anyway. Some people do not want to complicate their work lives by dating coworkers which is understandable. My mom met someone who was very much in love with her through eharmony. It didnt work out because she just wasnt feeling it but it worked while it did. I think that its natural for humans to want the love and comfort of another human and if online dating helps mitigate that then its a good thing. The other thing I thought of.... I am not gay and not an expert but nearly all of my gay friends have met their partners with online dating. They all tried the conventional way with bars and hobbies but they couldnt seem to find the right person. With online dating they have told me that they were able to find people that had common goals. In fact my BFF is getting married to his partner in July and he thought he would be single forever.

You are right that online dating isnt for everyone but its really really unkind to say that something is wrong with someone because they use it.


EDITED TO ADD: I wanted to say that there is also nothing wrong with doing the real life meet-ups. I am 44 and met my husband that way. I do not think there is a right or wrong way about meeting people and its very much influenced by your experiences. I do not know if my mom (who is 66) will use online dating again because she was a bit hurt after the last guy and like Blanche said it was the worst 5 years of her life and I just want to validate that. My main issue was saying that there was something wrong with a person for using online dating.
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I think that this comes down to a deeper issue I have. I think that I'm worried that if I don't put out, then I won't be interesting enough for the guy to keep around. I don't think I'm charming, funny or cool enough to fall in love with, so I just have sex as a way to make sure that they have a good time with me. Maybe I need to learn how to love myself before somebody else can love me.
Now you’ve touched on two different issues. The first is putting out too soon. The second is self doubt. You do want someone in your life who loves you and who you love and have every right to that.

Maybe it will help to take inventory of your self. Make a list of all the qualities you have and of all the qualities you want in a mate.
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