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Default Apr 13, 2019 at 05:28 AM
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It doesn't shock me because i thought/think the percentage was/is higher. It saddens me a great deal though because of the damage and devastation that a patient/client will have done to them but a professional who knows better but doesn't care. I actually get furious over it. Its a profession that is supposed to have strict boundaries and violations of those boundaries can literally kill someone.

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It doesn't shock me because i thought/think the percentage was/is higher. It saddens me a great deal though because of the damage and devastation that a patient/client will have done to them but a professional who knows better but doesn't care. I actually get furious over it. Its a profession that is supposed to have strict boundaries and violations of those boundaries can literally kill someone.
I agree the actual numbers are likely higher than those found in this one study.

These numbers are merely percentages of mental health providers who admit to sexual contact with patients/clients. I’m certain it’s an underreported offense and there are many mental health providers who commit this offense but never admit to it. The actual percentages are unknown.
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Well that’s disturbing Nine to 12 percent of mental health professionals have had sexual contact w patients
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Do you think they understand how damaging it is? do you think they just try to ignore it because they are selfish? I’m sure some are psychopaths but some must have empathy right? It’s confusing
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Glad I always look for doctors of my own sex, tho it is because I am more comfortable with women.

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Thought this was interesting-

Sex Between Therapists and Clients

Table 2 presents the results when participants were asked to try to identify the most attractive characteristic of the client to whom they were attracted. The hundreds of characteristics were sorted into about 20 major categories. With the following two fascinating exceptions, there were no significant gender differences between the male and female therapists in mentioning the various characteristics. However, female therapists were overwhelmingly more likely than male therapists to mention "successful" as a sexually attractive quality. On the other hand, male therapists were overwhelmingly more likely than female therapists to mention "physical attractiveness."

Table 2 - CHARACTERISTICS OF CLIENTS TO WHOM THERAPISTS ARE SEXUALLY ATTRACTED
Characteristics of Clients to Whom Psychotherapists Are Attracted
The first number is for Social Workers . The second represents Psychologists

Physical attractiveness 175 296
Positive mental/cognitive traits or abilities 84 124
Sexual 40 88
Vulnerabilities 52 85
Positive overall character/personality 58 84
Kind 6 66
Fills therapist's needs 8 46
Successful 6 33
"Good patient" 21 31
Client's attraction 3 30
Independence 5 23
Other specific personality characteristics 27 14
Resemblance to someone in therapist's life 14 12
Availability (client unattached) 0 9
Pathological characteristics 13 8
Long-term client 7 7
Sociability (sociable, extroverted, etc.) 0 6
Miscellaneous 23 15
Same interests/philosophy/background to therapist 10 0

The data about psychologists in the above table come from a national study published as "Sexual attraction to patients: The human therapist and the (sometimes) inhuman training system" by Kenneth S. Pope, Patricia Keith-Spiegel, and Barbara G. Tabachnick, American Psychologist, vol. 41, pages 147-158

The data about social workers in the following table come from a national study published as "National survey of social workers' sexual attraction to their clients: Results, implications, and comparison to psychologist" by Ann Bernsen, Barbara G. Tabachnick, and Kenneth S. Pope, Ethics & Behavior, vol. 4, pages 369-388.

The findings of these and subsequent studies suggest that a significant proportion of therapists carry in their imagination sexualized thoughts, images, or fantasies of their clients, and focus on them when the client is not physically present. For example, in the 2 studies summarized in Table 2, 27-30% of male therapists, compared with 13-14% of female therapists, reported that while they themselves were engaging in sexual activity with someone else (i.e., not the client), they engaged in sexual fantasies about the client.
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Do you think they understand how damaging it is? do you think they just try to ignore it because they are selfish? I’m sure some are psychopaths but some must have empathy right? It’s confusing
“Do they understand how damaging it is?”
That’s a question I’ve tried to work out. Over time I’ve asked, didn’t the abusing Pdoc in my case have an Ethics course in Med School? He was asked this during deposition and responded that no, he’d never taken an ethics course. Probably a lie. At the very least he had to have known about or taken the Hypocratic Oath.

There are many possible reasons questionable therapists disregard the damage this does to clients/patients. They certainly disregard how damaging it can be for themselves and their own families if they are discovered. Some therapists are sociopaths, and think only about themselves. I know of a few instances where the therapist not only exploited the patient sexually, but frauded them out of their money, as well. Some questionable therapists disregard the harm to patients because it’s a power trip for them. There are also questionable therapists who really believe they are ‘in love’ with the client/patient. I’ve read the term, ‘love-sick therapist.’ Some questionable therapists are ‘risk-takers.’ Then there are therapists who have impaired judgment due to substance abuse or mental illness. I think there are a multitude of reasons- sometimes the reasons are overlapping.
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Reasons Offered for Refraining from Sexual Intimacies with Clients

Table 3 lists the major reasons offered in order of frequency mentioned. Patterns were proportionately similar for male and female therapists except for two categories, fear of retaliation by clients and the illegality factor, which were offered only by male therapists as reasons for not acting out sexual feelings toward clients.

Table 3 - Reasons Offered for Refraining from Sexual Intimacies with Clients

Content category // Frequency

Unethical 289
Countertherapeutic/exploitative 251
Unprofessional practice 134
Against therapists' personal values 133
Therapist already in a committed relationship 67
Fear of censure/loss of reputation 48
Damaging to therapist 43
Disrupts handling of transference/countertransference 28
Fear of retaliation by client 19
Attraction too weak/short-lived 18
Illegal 13
Self-control 8
Common sense 8
Miscellaneous 32

Sexual Attraction to Clients - The Human Therapist and the (Sometimes)
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This is no surprise to me. All three theripst I had convince me do sex for them to get good reputation with my probation officer and court. I changed twice to avoid sex with old doctors every week but third one was same as other two.
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This is no surprise to me. All three theripst I had convince me do sex for them to get good reputation with my probation officer and court. I changed twice to avoid sex with old doctors every week but third one was same as other two.
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Who is the most likely target of sexual exploitation ?People with past sexual abuse? How do they decide who is “safe” to do this with
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Bergen County psychologist charged with repeated sexual assaults of a child - nj.com ( trigger)
I am not trying to equate therapy abuse or sexual assault with pedophilia or imply one is better than the other but it got me to thinking about the power imbalance that exists between any therapist and a client. I suspect that the sometimes those who are meant to help us as "professionals" are the sickest of all.

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Precaryous, could you tell us how you sued a pdoc and how court ruled on it?

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Precaryous, could you tell us how you sued a pdoc and how court ruled on it?
I was involved in several cases against him.
- Criminally- Even though he had just been arrested for doing something similar with another female patient and was released on $10,000 bond, I was told my criminal case was dropped due to lack of evidence. I have no knowledge that he was ever criminally prosecuted for anything.

-Civilly- My civil case against him went on for more than a year. It was a long drawn-out traumatizing deal. I believe the other side hoped I would give up. I didn’t. It ended when it was shown he did not carry malpractice insurance for the time when he did the most egregious acts against me. He also claimed bankruptcy several times. There were no assets to attach.

-Medical Board- The Medical Board case used testimony from three of his victims. The Medical Board ended up believing us.

In the care of each of the three patients the Pdoc’s medical license was revoked due to gross negligence, incompetence, and sexual misconduct;

In the care of each of the three patients he had engaged in repeated negligence , and; in his filing of false declarations in an Interim Suspension proceeding, he engaged in dishonesty.

The Medical Board ordered his medical license revoked based upon each and every violation found.

Having been found guilty of professional misconduct in another state, his medical license was revoked in a second state.

States do not always have reciprocity. The second state revoked his license only after I found that second medical license and contacted that second state medical board. His second medical license was only revoked because *I* notified them of his first revocation. If something like this happens to you, you may have to search for all of their licenses throughout the different states and notify them.

-Medicare- I contacted Medicare and Medicare revoked his ability to bill through them.

-Medicaid- I contacted Medicaid and Medicaid revoked his ability to bill through them.

In recent times, I found him listed as an ‘online psychiatrist or therapist’ through a few online therapy sites. I notified them of his license revocation and they responded by saying I must have read old information as they have no dealings with him. Sure. They listed his name and information on their online doctor website *for free* and didn’t know anything about it. Anyway, they removed his name.

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Wow, Precaryous, you are a warrior! I keep telling people in terms of regular medical doctors as well that we have to speak up and fight back in situations of inadequate care that have nothing to do w this kind of horrific abuse. However w regular medical doctors, rushing in those 15 min appointments enforced by many ins companies can cost patients their lives, or simply make their lives miserable w unresolved medical situations.

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I agree, we have a right to speak up about inadequate care we receive from Health Professionals. In recent times I’ve heard some hospitals have a ‘Patient Experience ‘ Department. I’m not sure if they really want to be helpful or if it’s just a fancy name for the providers to circle the wagons and cover their a**es.
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