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I don't need this site for my 'religion'. I do have issues I am working through that involves my 'religious roots' and how my PTSD interferes with and affects my connection to my spiritual community now.

This is what I'd like to be able to discuss here, without having to worry about anyone thinking I want to 'debate religion'.

There are cultures within spiritual communties, and if I am not free to discuss how mine worked in the past and works now in the present, then I have one less resource for exploring something that is key to my healing.

I doubt I'm alone in this.

I have started a Seekers of Truth support group and everyone is invited. I'm hoping the rules are relaxed enough in that part of the forum that I and others can discuss topics related to our healing that touch on our past and present experiences, and either help or harm.

I agree with you sky. I also have religion issues because of my childhood upbringing, it is honestly a shame that its not allowed to be discussed here at a board that promotes mental wellbeing. Religion is a huge issue for people whether its giving them peace now in there recovery or whether it caused them much pain because of its limitations in childhood and the shamebased feelings it can cause. Whatever the case the lack of discussion leaves a huge emptiness for some folks who need to discuss the effects religion in general has on them positively or negatively. I understand the anguish and perhaps heated debates in the past it may have promoted yet that is the very point to me. It IS such a powerful emotion on everyone that is certainly warrants disccussion on its long term impact individually. I look forward to your social group discussions sky.
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And let me be very clear here -- spirituality discussions are most definitely allowed on the Spirituality forum.

Religious discussions are not allowed because when we allowed them, many of the moderators and admins spent a great deal of time trying to smooth over the hurt that was caused by some people who couldn't let others be with their own religious beliefs and felt they had to try and "convert" everyone to their belief systems. Sadly, not all religions are compatible with one another (especially when they suggest that non-believers in their particular religion need to be "converted" or otherwise suffer).

Being that we're primarily a mental health support site -- not a spiritual or religious support site -- we changed the guidelines to emphasize the spirituality component and de-emphasize the religious component. That doesn't mean you can't say, "Oh, I was raised as a Catholic but am now a Buddhist." It just means you can't have in-depth discussions about the pros and cons of the two religions.

As others have pointed out, however, we do have social groups that do not fall under this restriction, and so we have a few religiously-oriented social groups that anyone is welcomed to join and discuss religion until your heart's content. But we will not moderate any interpersonal differences that arise from such discussions, so you're on your own if you find someone who vehemently disagrees with your own religious beliefs.

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PS - For the record, I've been accused of being a heathen, atheist, Christian-lover, satanist, and worse throughout the years because of the various religious arguments that have gone on here. I find it amusing that no matter what I say or do in this regard, nothing seems to be good enough or sufficient for some members here. Luckily, I've also received a lot of positive feedback for our policies in this regard, so I guess it all evens out in the end.
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I do have issues I am working through that involves my 'religious roots' and how my PTSD interferes with and affects my connection to my spiritual community now.

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no, you are not alone in this. I just wanted to let you know this. You are not alone, and you are not misunderstood.

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you can check out social groups that are in place to talk about religious stuff here at pc. you can join them too. if you don't see one you like you are free to make your own and invite people to join in as well.
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I don't know how valuable my opinion is, but I am very very glad that religious topics are contained within social groups and are not permitted at all on the main forum.

This means that you can have a generic spiritual area where people can talk about matters of the human spirit.. subjective personal things.. without getting into specifics. Religion is different from "normal" beliefs/opinions imo because it seems to be sort of a natural defense against existential angst. Consequently, people seem adamant to defend this natural defense to the death and it oftentimes results in violence or hurtful actions.

It is great that social groups are permitted and that people can use these groups to discuss religious/spiritual topics with like-minded people. It is great that you are seeking a path to be a fully realized human, and I think that you are completely correct in saying that you have a lot to offer to everyone, I would personally be very interested in your teachings. In saying that, the spiritual journey is a personal one.. Everybody should feel absolutely free to wander in the spiritual direction that they wish...without feeling fear about how a particular rhetoric frowns on that direction.

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Anyone interested in checking out the social group section, and the Seekers of Truth in particular is welcome.

May all find help and healing wherever you seek it. May the power of facing 'how things truly are' free all beings.
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Ok, I'm not understanding why all the discussion and problems when HERE, ON SITE, we have these available to us:

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=2

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=1

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=47

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=38

Open discussion of all types of faiths and RELIGION is available on PsychCentral in these Social Groups.

If you don't find a group that suits you, you're free to start one of your own.
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Ok, I'm not understanding why all the discussion and problems when HERE, ON SITE, we have these available to us:

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=2

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=1

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=47

http://forums.psychcentral.com/group.php?groupid=38

Open discussion of all types of faiths and RELIGION is available on PsychCentral in these Social Groups.




If you don't find a group that suits you, you're free to start one of your own.
Pardon me. I'm new. I've got it sorted out now thank you. I started a social group.
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Generally it's best to PM a Community team member with such questions and mini-rants...but then, being new... how would a newbie know this unless reading it here? TC
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Locust: Sometimes certain mental illnesses revolve around religion a lot, such as delusions, paranoia, and OCD. In fact, I don't know how it is possible to avoid it when discussing the third.

A few weeks ago, in the Schizophrenia topic, I had made a book recommendation titled Archetype of the Apocalypse. The subtitle of the book was: A Jungian Interpretation of the Book of Revelations. Apparently the book has been recently re-released with the subtitle Divine Vengeance, Terrorism, and the End of the World. This is how a schizophrenic experience can feel -- one's sense of self-identity is shattered, blown apart, annihilated; what amounts to an "Inner Apocalypse" and may include all the attendant characters one might expect if they were dead.

I'm not certain how anyone could read that thread and arrive at the conclusion that I was discussing religion but all it took was one individual to make the accusation that the "schizophrenics were getting to do something others couldn't" and suddenly... schizophrenics could no longer freely discuss schizophrenic experiences in the schizophrenia topic.

I've not posted in the schizophrenia topic since then although I do continue to speak openly and candidly with other individuals who carry a diagnosis of schizophrenia -- I just don't do it here.

I have also, with a bit of coercion, been having what I think is a very interesting and intelligent conversation in the social groups area. The bulk of that conversation has taken place between myself and another individual who I believe was also once considered schizophrenic. That discussion is largely hidden away where the world can't see it although certainly, the world at large will have ample opportunity to see other aspects of schizophrenia and form some conclusions accordingly.

Oddly enough, no one outside of that social group seems to have felt the need to come into that discussion even though we have used all the bad words at least once. I fail to grasp why the same degree of respect and tolerance that seems to be extended to other members in the social groups area could not find a place here, in the main discussion area.

I do know this much though -- failure to do so is damaging and produces harm.

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See also: Fight Club: A Schizophrenic Process?


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