Well I think I am done with the law of attraction...

Ok, I am soooo with you on being done with this. Someone recently told me, based on this whole insane theory, that if I keep thinking the worst, that it will manifest itself!!!!! What the heck is that?????? That just makes me FEARFUL of my own thoughts! That what, the worst WILL actually happen because it's my worst fear that keeps replaying itself in my own head? That made me SO angry at this person. I think it's a ridiculous new age theory that has no merit and is dangerous thinking. Oh and yeah, we can each manifest through our thoughts financial wealth for ourselves too, even if we're totally broke, poor and starving. BS.

I'm not longer sure about some of the teachings. I'm like you Have Hope, I think it's just crazy to believe that thinking about dreadful things will make them happen. Someone gave me a good example of how ridiculous this is. Most people have some sort of fear about flying, yet planes are safer than cars as far as travel goes. The planes manage to stay in the air despite all the fearful thoughts. Even when there's turbulence, it still flies.

I've done a lot of things to try to get Law of Attraction to work for me. It just doesn't. I do think it's important to focus on the positives. And visualization is good for achieving goals. I think there's some good stuff as it relates to 'common sense'. But all this stuff about "raise your vibration" or you'll end up having bad luck is just crap! I struggle enough with my moods. I don't want to live my life like I'm causing misery for myself. I'm trying and there are things beyond my control. No matter how hard I try to believe it's in my so-called Vortex to have good fortune, bad things keep happening.

Also, I notice only in the metaphysical books does LOA work. When I go to forums, I see tons of people struggling. I think the authors are just trying to sell their books. It's all BS.

There are things in our control and things outside of our control. The things outside of our control will continue to frustrate us if we mistake those things for being in our control.

I haven't read any entire books based on the Law of Attraction; however, in the fragment I read of one, (The Secret), the author advises an inconsistent approach. The advice is that our belief that we shall experience positive outcomes will cause those outcomes to occur.

The most extreme case is that I could wish away my mental illness. That is not possible and is a counterexample to the Law of Attraction.

A more nuanced case is that I could wish that a woman like me. Although I have wished that many a woman like me, my wishing that she like me has not caused her to like me.

Our thoughts don't always reflect reality.

I will say that I have seen manifestations of wonderful proportion happen in my life. Like this past year... I woke up one day and decided I wanted a new cat as a friend for my current cat. Within a few hours I had such a cat. It was synchronicity. It was like a miracle cause that same morning my mom called to say she found a cat walking along a busy highway. I gave her a pretty name. Little Miss J is my miracle cat. So this story makes me feel like LOA could be possible. Yet the times I needed money, a favorable outcome, a friend, assistance, weight loss, good health, good mood, freedom from suicidal thoughts, etc., none of that happened. And I did all kinds of voodoo magic to try to get it to work. It just makes me angry. I don't know who I'm angry at. Maybe God. Like WTF?

I do think the LOA has to be more than a wish. It has to be a deep down conviction. Those who practice the LOA by suggesting you can accidentally activate it are full of it. The biggest issue I have with it is that deep down conviction.

Recently I tried to win the lottery. I tried hard, I purchased tickets with good odds. But I knew in my heart I didn't believe. I didn't win. I also didn't act like I really believed it. Being conservative with the ticket buying.

I think the LOA stands most for the idea that if you do believe something... strongly in your heart.. go for it because the universe has your back. The nuns used to give me this concept when I was in school... they said, if you have done the studying for your test and you know the material... don't worry, god will clear the way for you to get a good grade. But just thinking that it helped me do the deed.

I do think you can "accidentally" bring negative things with the LOA if you are not careful. For instance I believe that the Titanic was the world secretly thinking "unsinkable huh" I hope it sinks... and, guess what, it did. And when you find out the truth, the ship hit the iceberg in the ONLY way that could have sunk the boat. I think this is something you can see happening in the 20th century due to communication. When the eyes of the world have the opportunity to get on a tragedy (as it is happening) it almost always resolves better than expected.

One reason I stop pursuing LOA is there are too many stupid people holding themselves out there as experts. Too many bad books. I think this is a new concept and unfortunately a ton of junk is being produced.

For me, what doesn't work with this concept is that it makes one responsible for absolutely everything that happens to them, negative or positive. So I am therefore responsible for attracting several toxic work environments and toxic bosses simply, why? Because I am toxic myself? Unhealthy myself? And therefore, it's my own negative energy that attracted all these terrible situations to myself? How can one even function in life by going along with this belief system? SO many people struggle with negative thoughts and with negativity in this world. For many, it's a daily and constant struggle and battle. So that means that we're only going to attract more negative things, people and circumstances into our lives if we battle negative thinking? I don't know. I just don't like this belief system. It makes me scared and fearful of my very own thoughts, and I don't like that one bit.

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Originally Posted by Have Hope For me, what doesn't work with this concept is that it makes one responsible for absolutely everything that happens to them, negative or positive.

I don't think it does say that. After all it is "attraction" there may be people who suggest it can happen with a snap of the fingers but clearly it takes sustained effort. A stay single thought will not do it.

I would suggest going a bit deeper into it. Some of the books like "the secret' are meant to be broad stroke brushes. But when you really get into it it is much more complex and trippy.

Though I am done with it... I still feel like on some level it is right. The problem is at the moment I haven't heard anyone who does have a good handle on it.

Yeah, I've heard the same. No one I've seen has a good handle on it. Nonetheless, it's not for me. I don't believe in it and I don't adhere to it.

I struggle with this concept too. Some people find the idea that they are "responsible" empowering. But I just freak out. I'm not talking about taking personal responsibiluty for my life and behaviors. I do that well. Thoughts seem different to me.

That being said, there are a couple LOA podcasts I follow. One is "Unf*ck your brain". The other is "love your life + law of attraction" with Jennifer Bailey. I listen for fun. Both are on Spotify, and other platforms as well.

I do find my own self, rather parted about LOA. When I first posted in this thread, I was like, no its probably not real. Now, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it isn't the only law or important thing in life if it is true. Learning to cope with our troubles and problems, is truly helpful too.

And...yes I have issues with some of the LOA. Like other religions and spiritual things, we cannot know if it works for real, unless...it WORKS FOR US. Just do what works for you, I say.

One thing I notice, is a lot of LOA info out there, to get maximum benefit and help and clarity on things, coaches are available. But it seems rather unfair to those who don't have the finances for coaching, and may possibly need it most!

@Emily Fox Seaton tagging you bc of the podcasts I mentioned. You may be interested.

if you know why do you need someone to do research?. Not a smart comment

if it works why do the coaches have to charge or sell books?

The problem with these watered down metaphysics like the LOA is that people are given to believe there is no effort results. This is nonsense. If you want to become good at manifesting you have to work hard at it. Most people will work at it for a short time and then give up saying it does not work. And LOA as presented does not. No would woul expect to be adept at a profession without effort or overnight but self help books are peddled as easy.

People have all sorts of blockages in them which are deeper that they things they think they desire. Their true will will come true. Frequently people say they want something but this is contrary to deeper desires they have. First they have to deal with the blockage but they do not want to do that as they are too impatient. Forget anything that says you can have success with no effort that things will just come to you. We live in a physical world so material things have to come through a physical channel. If you want money and do not make any effort to educate and train yourself and take advantage of opportunities then you will block any abundance. It has to flow through some channells. Forget the coaches. If they knew how to make money through LOA why do they have to sell books? There is no succcess without hard work in metaphysics or any other area. An adept magician told me magic is " bloody hard work".

I am reminded of the story of priest and two men in a leaking boat. One said "will I pray father." The priest said "do - but keep rowing"

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Originally Posted by LonelyMan The problem with these watered down metaphysics like the LOA is that people are given to believe there is no effort results. This is nonsense. If you want to become good at manifesting you have to work hard at it. Most people will work at it for a short time and then give up saying it does not work.

I think the LOA right now, is not capable of being used correctly or effectively.

We have the people who don't want to accept it because it means they have personal responsibility.

We have people who don't want to accept it because they think it is bunk.

We have scam artists trying to make a living off knowing something about it.

We have people who want to accept it so they don't have to anything.

We have people who want to accept it because their lives are so poor they use this to feel better.

Some day, I hope... humanity gets serious about this and other "out of the box" concerns. But I feel I won't live to see that day.

Until that time I will have it in the back of my head and use it to the best of my ability but I just do not have time for another thing to "work" at.

I think the people selling it are scammers who over simplify it for profit. I also do not believe everyone is reponsible for everything in their lives. Are starving children responsible for being hungry?