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Old 11-26-2009, 12:05 AM #11
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The Self in Exile front page is here. The quadrant diagram (and discussion of it) is on the Characteristics 1 page.

"Psychotherapy of the Schizoid Process" by Gary Yontef (Transactional Analysis Journal, Vol. 31, No. 1, January 2001) is here in PDF format (17 pages) or here as a blog repost (html).
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The Self in Exile front page is here. The quadrant diagram (and discussion of it) is on the Characteristics 1 page.

"Psychotherapy of the Schizoid Process" by Gary Yontef (Transactional Analysis Journal, Vol. 31, No. 1, January 2001) is here in PDF format (17 pages) or here as a blog repost (html).

Hi, Fool Zero, I just read some of the Self in Exile page. Someone else had referred me there once but I just wasn't very interested at the time; but I just read about "The Exile" and the hair stood up on the back of my neck. It put some stuff in perspective for me, let me tell you.

I had to stop reading after awhile, too much info!

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... I just read about "The Exile" and the hair stood up on the back of my neck. It put some stuff in perspective for me, let me tell you.

I had to stop reading after awhile, too much info!
It's interesting how that Self In Exile site seems to be using a somewhat different perspective from the canonic one represented in, say, the DSM. Then again, when Yontef goes past the DSM-speak and gets down to the experiential nuts and bolts of working with his clients, his perspective sounds very different too.

I don't know if I'm schizoid or not. I've been in therapy (a long time ago) but never officially diagnosed with anything that I know of. A shrink whom I once worked for (in research) suggested I might be, and based on how I remember being in those days I'm inclined to agree with him. I avoid many of the same kinds of activities that schizoids are supposed to be afraid of but it doesn't feel to me as if I'm afraid of them, more like there's nothing there that I'm interested in. For instance, I generally have no use for parties but one friend of mine occasionally throws parties that I do enjoy, with guests I do like being with, and I'm always happy to go to hers.

People who self-describe as schizoid seem pretty real to me. When I read about schizoid process (Yontef) or self in exile or the false-self system (Laing) I find myself going, "Doesn't everyone do that to some extent? Don't some people get stuck doing it, unable to stop, while a lot of others get stuck doing other stuff to avoid it?"

Being schizoid (if I am) doesn't seem to get in my way at all; I like my friends, my friends like me, and in most areas of life that I am interested in I seem to operate a notch or two above average.

I do have one friend who, I suspect, has been working to overcome shyness or something. It used to be, maybe still is, an effort for her to work her way up to something like performing before an audience but once she gets there she gets a big kick out of it. She's sometimes invited me to participate in some of these activities with her; as with most things like that, I usually haven't been quite interested enough to bother. I often seem to see her projecting some of her own resistance onto me: "I'm not afraid, you are. Come on, go for it! Oh well, what could I expect from someone like you..." Actually, on the rare occasions when I do feel inspired to show off I seem to be comfortable doing it and pretty good at it; I just don't feel like it very often, nor miss feeling like it when I don't.

But enough about me -- unhijacking ripley's thread now, lol!
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The parts of all the descriptive materials that ring most true for me are those that deal with one's internal environment. I am sure to most people I appear quite normal, if not very sociable. I have developed a very adaptive 'functional self' that carries me through daily social contacts. And I have been around long enough to know that temperamentally there are those of us who just don't need a lot of group social time in order to feel OK. Plus, I am smart, and I get bored with most mundane conversations. (Sounds arrogant, but it is a fact of life) But it is the inner sense of loneliness and disconnection that can be almost intolerable at times. And, sadly, my most emotionally fulfilling relationships are with characters on dramatic TV shows. Still, I get by for the most part. I can go for months on end without noticing how lonely I am. Just when it hits...as in when I connect to my own emotional centre...then I know I need help.

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To give credit where credit is due, others (in this thread and and elsewhere) had mentioned the Self in Exile site before and I found I already had it bookmarked. Ratanddragon mentioned Gary Yontef's paper. All I did was track down both and post the links to them.

I made a point of saving copies of those pages in case they disappear or something.
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[quote=cypher;1175654]Hello Ripley. I looked for the Self in Exile page and couldn't find it.

I don't think that having Schizoid P/D is so bad (but of course a schizoid would feel this way!). Just because we tend to be loners and disdainful of phony social games does not make us bad people. Indeed, I think that schizoids are really just radically authentic people who have a talent for 'being real' in a plastic society that fears honesty.

I liked the way you put that, I'd like to quote this, I think its often true can I use that as a quote??

try www.selfinexil.com
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