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Grand Poohbah
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I've noted previously that I tend to be active in a number of online environments and prefer to go where the conversations take me. More recently, I've been active on facebook where I encountered an individual known as DJ Jaffe who posted the following:
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I wasn't sure what to make of Mr. Jaffe. He presented himself as an advocate of the mentally ill but his article contained such a mish-mash of half-truths mixed with speculation. I went looking for some information and found this article... Quote:
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Grand Poohbah
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A few days later, Mr. Jaffe posted a link to another article he'd written. I was surprised to note that this one was posted at a site that contained this banner: FAMILY SECURITY MATTERS: Engaging American Families in our Nation's Security. I wondered, 'Since when was schizophrenia a matter of national security?' and then began to read through the article... Quote:
I was curious about that 5000 people figure so I clicked on that link too. It lead to a page from the Treatment Advocacy Center -- pay careful attention to the wording... Quote:
Secondly, the data was arrived at by speculation -- If that percentage, admittedly conservative, was true in 1999... Third, did anyone else happen to catch that in the initial article Jaffe stated that 5000 of the "mentally ill" kill themselves. The implication is that he's drawn his data from a pool that includes all known classes of mental illness -- depression, Apserger's, anxiety disorders, etc. However, by the time we get to his source, those "5000 suicides" have all become the territory of the "psychotic". I noted then that I wasn't feeling the love and had begun to seriously doubt any claims to advocacy. __________________ ~ Kindness is cheap. It's unkindness that always demands the highest price. |
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The information I'm aware of as related to suicide and schizophrenia. This data is from 2005 and there may well be more current information out there. These are the facts as I know them to be, without speculation. Note that the rate is higher among young men who are most vulnerable in the period immediately following their initial treatment and diagnosis.
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Meantime, Mr. Jaffe continued to share his articles through facebook and the Huffington Post...
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Ms. Well's criticism seems to be that Paul was transferred to facilities that offered less supervision than that offered in state hospitals. She seems to feel her brother would have benefitted most in an environment of high supervision, expressing concern at one point for a time-frame when he was living independantly and not eating adequately. She questioned how officials could say on the one hand that Paul was so ill he would never recover and on the other, set him up in an independent living situation. Meantime, if you also click on the link Mr. Jaffe provided for information on the Institutes for Mental Disease Exclusion (IMD) it leads to another article Mr. Jaffe wrote back in 1999 in which, once more, he singles out schizophrenics as a particularly menacing force in society... Quote:
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Admittedly, by this time I'd read the following article and I couldn't help but believe it because it verified my own experience...
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Grand Poohbah
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Over at facebook, Mr. Jaffe had started a new group to promote Kendra's Law. I hadn't know much about it initially but I joined the group so I could find out more. I discovered that the premise of Kendra's Law is rooted in the assumption that people who are mentally ill are too ill to know as much and for this reason, society should put laws into place that will allow them to be treated by force. I became quite disenchanted with the group when Mr. Jaffe (or his chosen moderators) removed some of my posts as related to the truth about Andrew Goldstein, the young man who had pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in a subway station. What follows are some of the links I had posted to that discussion which were promptly removed... Quote:
If you find yourself scratching your head at the moment and wondering who is delusional and unable to discern fantasy from reality, I could hardly point fingers for I found myself doing the same thing. __________________ ~ Kindness is cheap. It's unkindness that always demands the highest price. |
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Earlier today Mr. Jaffe shared yet another article he'd written about the violent mentally ill who are just too sick to know how sick they are. Quote:
Meantime, in the course of these various discussions that have taken place from facebook I've heard some very important points that are relevant to forced treatment such as... - A young man who was extremely reluctant to accept treatment until he found someone he could trust. - A young woman who was grateful her family had the $60,000 dollars it cost to place her in a 28 day rehab program she personally identified as helpful. - A male who cannot afford the cost of his medications. It was his comments that prompted me to go looking for the link on free meds that I posted earlier today in the resources area. I remain of the opinion that the need for forced treatment is very slight. Rather, we should be focusing on creating forms and places of treatment that people will willingly choose if only for the simple fact that they're hurting, they're frightened, they know it, and they will gladly accept the kinds of help that actually help them. I wouldn't recommend lying to them. Lies destroy trust. __________________ ~ Kindness is cheap. It's unkindness that always demands the highest price. |
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A little more info regarding DJ Jaffe and the Treatment Advocacy Center... Quote:
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During my brief period of rubbing elbows with Mr. Jaffe at facebook I noted it was not necessary to distort data related to mental illness and violence and the need for timely, safe, human, affordable and compassionate care. There are problems and I was initially open to the idea that Mr. Jaffe might be sincerely interested in addressing them. Here's an article that provides a bit more background on Kendra's Law. Note that this law doesn't affect only the citizens of New York state but rather, helps to shape the thoughts and beliefs surrounding forced treatment regardless of state. Quote:
Web Page: Kendra's Law Controversy 2005 __________________ ~ Kindness is cheap. It's unkindness that always demands the highest price. |
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