"This is what schizophrenia looks like" ridicule video.

MickG · Jun 25, 2012 at 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by costello

I think some sensitivity training is definitely in order. Someone made a comment criticizing the laughter, and the poster responded they were just laughing because they're used to seeing their instructors acting more "straight faced and professional."

Thanks costello. I think if the instructor had been role-playing a true member of a crisis team they would have been more straight faced and professional.

The laughter here was more than nervous laughter--that I could understand. This video was more of a statement on the lack of compassion and rampant incompetence in the mental health field than it was a statement on what schizophrenia is.

costello · Jun 25, 2012 at 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pachyderm

I did not watch the video, but I think usually these things are because the subject makes the viewers nervous and they do something to cover up that nervousness.

I think the first titter of laughter from the class may have been nervousness. Everything after that was shear slapstick. On the other hand, there were apparently earlier "role play" demonstrations in this class which had the class laughing, and that probably set the tone for this one.

Furthermore I can't understand why the student posted it to youtube at all. I think she thought it would be entertaining.

I don't think that anyone could possibly come away from that class with a deeper understanding of sz or with any tools to help them in actual practice. I'm going to take a guess that many of these students are afraid of the mentally ill, and they wouldn't have a clue how to talk to someone in a psychotic episode. If anything, this educational experience will only deepen their fear and ignorance.

newtus · Jun 25, 2012 at 08:36 AM

heres a mirror image

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1D60Ne6UZo

costello · Jun 25, 2012 at 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by newtus

heres a mirror image

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1D60Ne6UZo

Thanks, newtus. I've emailed this link to the people at UNCC.

fishsandwich · Jun 25, 2012 at 08:53 AM

In the social work courses I took, we were told outright that any mocking or stigmatising mental illness would lead to us failing the course. That's how it always should be.

fishsandwich · Jun 25, 2012 at 08:54 AM

They also didn't use role play, which frankly sounds like a **** way to teach this stuff. How can somebody who has never had psychosis role-play it sufficiently accurately for it to be a good teaching method?

costello · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fishsandwich

They also didn't use role play, which frankly sounds like a **** way to teach this stuff. How can somebody who has never had psychosis role-play it sufficiently accurately for it to be a good teaching method?

I think role play is used pretty commonly in classes here. It appears to me that both of the actors here are instructors. I could be wrong. Maybe one or both are students. If they're both instructors, then it's more of a demonstration than a role play - in which case it might have been better to show a film with actors playing the roles. If those are students then a teacher should have intervened.

Erti · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:06 AM

Honestly I do not know what to make of the video. I've taken a psych class before and found myself disagreeing with what my professor said about those with schizophrenia and other different psychiatric illnesses. Having to live through mental illness I see a whole different side of it. Maybe his idea's are outdated? As for this video I'm not sure what the professor is trying to accomplish. Psychosis is a reality to some people... including myself. It's not something to laugh about.

newtus · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:07 AM

the class is filled with all different ages but i believe the man was the instructor. who knows. i guess.

costello · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by newtus

the class is filled with all different ages but i believe the man was the instructor. who knows. i guess.

She comments that their instructors are normally so straight-faced and professional - that's why they're laughing. Since she used the plural, I assumed both were instructors.

The woman is the one doing all the dramatics, but the guy is laughing too. If he's an instructor and this is an attempt to prepare these students to work with mentally ill patients in their clinic, he needed to stop the role play and get it back on track.

fishsandwich · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by costello

I think role play is used pretty commonly in classes here. It appears to me that both of the actors here are instructors. I could be wrong. Maybe one or both are students. If they're both instructors, then it's more of a demonstration than a role play - in which case it might have been better to show a film with actors playing the roles. If those are students then a teacher should have intervened.

It's not very common here -- we either go watch the real thing (with the person's permission) or we watch films with actors.

When I was in the hospital they used to always want to bring in nursing students to watch me with the doc. I only agreed the first time. Like, fourteen people staring at me while I tell a psych to go **** himself because I'm not crazy? No thanks.

newtus · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by costello

She comments that their instructors are normally so straight-faced and professional - that's why they're laughing. Since she used the plural, I assumed both were instructors.

oh i frgt. she had deleted it too.
i shouldve mirror imaged the whole page

Erti · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fishsandwich

It's not very common here -- we either go watch the real thing (with the person's permission) or we watch films with actors.

When I was in the hospital they used to always want to bring in nursing students to watch me with the doc. I only agreed the first time. Like, fourteen people staring at me while I tell a psych to go **** himself because I'm not crazy? No thanks.

Boy... I wish I had the guts to tell the pdoc to go **** themselves. Not the best of ways to handle things but some deserve a little F U.

fishsandwich · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Erti

Boy... I wish I had the guts to tell the pdoc to go **** themselves. Not the best of ways to handle things but some deserve a little F U.

Well, I did it in slightly nicer terms . . . not much nicer, mind

newtus · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:37 AM

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Boy... I wish I had the guts to tell the pdoc to go **** themselves. Not the best of ways to handle things but some deserve a little F U.

i wish i could do it more often.
it only makes things worse though.

i watched this one movie about rebellion and how things spiral. but it was a teenager. still though the movie had a message to it. the kid skipped school and went and did violent stuff, he ended up in a halfway house, and it follows him to eventual jail. but the kid was very very wise about how society kept us all locked into place. its called Made In Britain. it was filmed in britain too. it was Tim Roths first movie, he's in the Lie To Me tv series. he was in his early twenties but played a teenager. it got really good ratings.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084287/

costello · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:41 AM

I have some people interested in reaching out to this school and helping them change their approach - if we can confirm it was UNCC or, if not, figure out who they are. Here's their website: http://www.georgiahealth.edu/medicin...jectgreat.html

fishsandwich · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:42 AM

Oh, I loved Made in Britain and Lie to Me! And Tim Roth

I think you're right about rebellion not always being the wisest thing though, Newtus. It probably kept me in hospital a lot longer than I would have been, but damn did it feel good.

newtus · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fishsandwich

It probably kept me in hospital a lot longer than I would have been, but damn did it feel good.

same.

but i didnt say rebellion wasnt good. i just said the movie was about rebellion.

newtus · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by costello

I have some people interested in reaching out to this school and helping them change their approach - if we can confirm it was UNCC or, if not, figure out who they are. Here's their website: http://www.georgiahealth.edu/medicin...jectgreat.html

this should be a good idea

Erti · Jun 25, 2012 at 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by newtus

same.

but i didnt say rebellion wasnt good. i just said the movie was about rebellion.

I like a little rebellion here and there. F establishments and whatnot.

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fishsandwich Magnate Member Since Apr 2012 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,186 11 673 hugs given	Jun 25, 2012 at 08:53 AM #45 In the social work courses I took, we were told outright that any mocking or stigmatising mental illness would lead to us failing the course. That's how it always should be. __________________ Psychiatric Survivor "And just when I've lost my way, and I've got too many choices . . . . I hear voices!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLCfb54e_kM
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