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Cause: Cat Poop

Pet Theory: Do Cats Cause Schizophrenia?

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I’m almost going to dismiss this one as I am more then certain that we can find multiply cases where there were no cats to be found.

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Cause: Milk


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Produces exorphins, morphine-like compounds

I have highlighted the area of interest. Well ask yourself. What does this do? This is basically a stimulant.. Correct? Well if there are added stimulants to the brain, what does that do? Creates tension.. Correct? Now if there is tension during the fundamental developing stages, then that would indicate that there is increased brain activity... Correct? Well if there is increased brain activity then it breaks down the natural defenses of the unconscious leading to schizophrenic symptoms.

The only link that I can possible think of between autism and schizophrenia is the fact that stimulants are passed on to the child in the womb. Now both seem to have this enzyme deficiency, well if both have the deficiency then we have to relate what is happening to the state of the body. Well if the body basically decides to not accept any more stimulants which would be the case since it is stimulants causing the dysfunction. It doesn’t process them. Well if they don’t process them then the enzymes would hang around in the blood stream. I dont know if this is plausable though as the explanation below is better suited.

The only thing that I don’t really understand is schizophrenia appears later on in life. Which autism appears during the first few yrs. Ether these people are drinking tons of milk for this experiment or something else is a miss because people usually don’t have the same eating habits.

There is another thing that comes to mind as well. After the age of 2 people we lose the proper enzymes to digest milk. We are the only mammal on the face of this planet that drinks milk after we are supposed too and the only mammal that drinks another animal’s milk. Milk is for growth to get the nutrients we need. There is no other purpose and could be the cause of the build up. This would also explain why both groups have the deficiency.

We could also compare schizophrenia stats from other countries that don’t drink milk and see if they go up or down, that would disprove this theory right then and there.

Another way to find out if the data is correct would be to test the normal population as well and see how much of the enzyme turns up there as well.

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I don’t think soo. But if it were it would be the perception of demons in the persons mind working up the brain into a frenzy. The mind rebounds by releasing the ideas.

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Cause: Trauma


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Trauma creates bad memories; memories create cyclical activity as the mind tries to conquer the situation. Defenses break down as the mind releases the ideas creating the activity. Conscious thought is broken in the process leading to schizophrenia.

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Winter to spring. Which means they were conceived 9 months earlier… hmmmm When is that? I would say about jan – march, well what happens in this time? Partying from the new yr by somewhat dysfunction teens and adults a like, and spring time. When the pheromones are produced and animals mate. I wonder if we can correlate if there is an increase of birthrate among this time automatically bringing up the schizophrenic cases as well.

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Cause: Marijuana


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If anything marijuana brings feelings to the surface, but I doubt this as marijuana is used everywhere by people.

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Cause: Niacin Deficiency


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Ever notice that all these theories revolve around stimulants? Well if you already have a weak mind from the context of every day living. These stimulants are only going to arouse it further. I still think my idea that the mind works on a basis of equilibrium and enters schizophrenic states is the proper one.

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Cause: Stress



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Most definitely. Stress works up the mind. And the mind responds to restore the equilibrium bringing out the symptoms.

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Cause: Caffeine


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More stimulants. Speaks for itself. Leading to an active mind.

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Cause: Dopamine Dysfunction


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I covered much of this in my theory.

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The brain is dynamic machine. If you are shoving drugs down somebody’s throat to block the release that the unconscious is trying to fulfill. Then you are going to get shrinkage. Evolution works on the basis of stimulation and when something is stimulated it responds to growth, and when it doesn't it shrinks, Darwin's laws in full effect. This is one of the reasons why I am against drugs. They provide an artificial negative response that not only ages the cells used to fight against it naturally, but also screw with our ability to recover as we become dependant on them. And the symptoms get worse with time.

This is why it is so important to study other areas that relate to psychology as it offers answers in unexpected places. I came to this conclusion on my own just by observing the way things work.

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Cause: Lack of Polyunsaturated fatty acid


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Of course, no metabolism, no function. Brain shrivels and loses its ability to coup when stress is endured. Mass cell psychology is shared, just the way the body works.

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Cause: Genetics


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I don’t know. I tend to question this, is it really a genetic factor or just bad family traits passed on down from family member to family member. I covered some of this in my write up.

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Cause: Social Environment


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Huge indicator, social environment draws on all kinds of criticism leading to mental breakdown.

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I highly doubt this. But ok

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Read the full article here: The Inner Apocalypse


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I really believe in this, if schizophrenia is indeed induced by erratic emotion, then that is negative stimulus being applied. Well you would have to apply positive stimulus to counter it. Just makes sense and is really how I came to my conclusion on the subject. It’s self induced by the level of activity the brain is enduring and is just trying to get back to a state of equilibrium.

More coming when I get the chance..... I’m also going to edit the milk one.

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Default Jul 14, 2007 at 10:45 AM
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> E. Fuller Torrey

Oh boy. The bane of the consumer/survivor movement. And think of all the awards and recognition he gets.

Or has his reputation suffered in recent years?

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The cornerstone of Read's tectonic plate-shifting evidence is the 40 studies that reveal childhood or adulthood sexual or physical abuse in the history of the majority of psychiatric patients (see, also, Read's book, Models of Madness).[/b]


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Cause: Parental Exposure to Dry-Cleaning Agents

A reader (who wants me to write an article on autism and paternal age-- I swear I'm getting to it) sent me a reference to a 2007 article finding an increased rate of schizophrenia in those born to parents who were dry cleaners... The authors speculate it's tetrachloroethylene exposure.

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It's the lawsuits that enraged customers bring when the cleaners lose their pants...

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Here is stuff on E. Fuller Torrey and his TAC; excerpts from Wikipedia:

'The Treatment Advocacy Center (TAC) is a United States nonprofit organization founded in 1998 by schizophrenia researcher E. Fuller Torrey and was originally part of the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI). TAC's focus is on promoting laws allowing Assisted Outpatient Commitment (AOC) "for individuals who, due to the symptoms of untreated severe mental illness, become either dangerous or in need of treatment and incapable of making rational medical decisions." [1] According to their website, TAC advocates "elimination of legal and clinical barriers to timely and humane treatment for Americans diagnosed with severe psychiatric disorders who refuse care." TAC seeks to expedite involuntary treatment for people with severe mental disorders who refuse treatment.'

'Torrey says, "Until we find the causes and definitive treatments for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, we have an obligation to those who are suffering to try to improve their lives. Except for biological chance, any one of us might today be there, living on the streets or in jail. TAC is the only organization willing to take on this fight, and I am very proud to be part of it."' (My comment: "it's for their own good.")

'"People care about public safety," TAC publicist D.J. Jaffee told attendees at a 1999 National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) conference. "Once you understand that, it means that you have to take the debate out of the mental health arena and put it in the criminal justice/public safety arena." Jaffe went on to point out that efforts by NAMI to enact 'assisted' treatment laws as a way to provide better care for the mentally ill had failed because the public doesn't care about the seriously ill.'

'At a psychiatrist's meeting in Baltimore, Maryland in 1993, Torrey expressed his concern that "the public stereotype that links mental illness to violence is based on reality and not merely on stigma."'

'The Treatment Advocacy Center has critics due to the human rights implications of coerced treatment...'

'Critics believe that TAC uses fear tactics to win support for assisted outpatient treatment.'

Can you tell that this subject bugs me? Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

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It's the lawsuits that enraged customers bring when the cleaners lose their pants...

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LOL!! Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis and also-- Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis I'd like to see those lost pants that the guy is asking hundreds of thousands of dollars for-- in the lawsuit.... are they made of gold? Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

oops!! sorry off topic-- I apologize! Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

carry on........... I do have some worried concerns about that "TAC"..... been reading about it in this book called, "Crazy" by Pete Earley..... part of the book is about the struggles he had with his bi-polar son and then part of the book is about how so many mentally ill end up in a revolving door, in and out of jail-- not even committing violent/ or felony crimes......it's just-- there's no where for them to go..... Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

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mandyfins: I do have some worried concerns about that "TAC"..... been reading about it in this book called, "Crazy" by Pete Earley.....

You may find the following expands your reading material...

<blockquote>May 15, 2006: Fuller Torrey Is Dangerous

I was attempting to write an op-ed tonight. It is a response to an op-ed in the May 12 Washington Post by Pete Earley, who seems to be the front man for those who argue that the mentally-ill should be forcibly medicated in outpatient settings with very little due process, acknowledgement of just how poorly meds work or regard for their human rights. Basically, I am still trying to figure out how to respond to Earley because the WaPo limits op-eds to 800 words and Earley did so much damage in his copy that it would take 3 times the space just to answer him.

Anyway, I was trying to settle my mind about one of the points Earley makes in his piece--that the mentally ill shoot police 5 times more than the general population does (whatever the general population that shoots police is) and that kinda made me do the old "Huh? What?" I've been reporting on cops for 7 years and mental illness for much of that time as well, and I have never run into that number nor have I ever had a cop mention it to me. So it made me skeptical. Where did that number come from? What's the supporting dataset? Earley had mentioned that the number came from the Treatment Advocacy Center.

TAC is Fuller Torrey's non-profit that goes around demonizing all mentally-ill Americans on the basis of the violent behavior of a few. Torrey is a controversial figure in psychiatry. He believes that a virus present in cat %#@&#! is the source of schizophrenia. I am not kidding. He has also spent much of his career accusing schizophrenics and bipolars of being John Hinkleys-in-waiting. He is also the author of the best-selling Surviving Schizophrenia. He is quoted in the press probably more than any other single expert on mental illness. He and his colleagues are powerful and argue for outpatient commitment laws before public bodies.

So I went to TAC's website looking for the data. I couldn't find it, but I ran into this press release: "NEW STUDY LINKS VIOLENCE AND SCHIZOPHRENIA." That was news to me since I am fairly up to speed on the psych journals, especially in regards to the CATIE study on schizophrenia. In the press release, Torrey asserts that violence is common among some schizophrenics, that the reason is because they weren't taking their meds, and that they must be legally forced into "treatment" compliance.

Then I went to the abstract of the study he cited. (I'll get the full paper in a day or two.) It is something of a sub-study of the full 4,000 patent CATIE study. Here the sub-group is 1,400 patients. Of those, the study authors found that 19 percent had committed a violent act of some kind in the previous 6 months. That much of the data Torrey reports before going off on his usual tirade for forced treatment. That works out to about 266 people from the 1,400.

Here's what Torrey fails to mention. From the abstract itself: "Violence was classified at 2 severity levels: minor violence, corresponding to simple assault without injury or weapon use; and serious violence, corresponding to assault resulting in injury or involving use of a lethal weapon, threat with a lethal weapon in hand, or sexual assault."

Minor violence was reported in 15.5 percent of the cases or with 217 people. Serious violence was reported in 3.6 percent of the cases or in 49 people of the 1,400 in this study. I don't know about you, but I don't feel like seeing discussions about how we grapple with mental illness in this society being driven by 49 people out of 4,000 people in the entire f***ing study.

What's interesting to me is that in his press release Torrey is wound up over the fact that most of the minor violence was directed against family members by patients being dragged off to the hospital. Having seen that dynamic play out before in the lives of patients I know, I can assure you that whatever hit mom or dad took from their son was partly driven by mom or dad screaming in their faces. I've seen this before. I wouldn't hit anyone over it, but I can understand how the supercharged dynamic gets out of hand and a shove turns into an assault turns into a crime turns into a poster child for Torrey. It's interesting to me that Torrey is so stirred up over it. I wonder if he ever had a son or daughter hit him, or if it is a result of his years working on the wards at St. Elizabeth's where John Hinkley is kept. It's interesting to me, too, that Earley seems to be tied in with Torrey--they are both in the DC area and I wouldn't be surprised if Earley leans on TAC for more than just the numbers of mentally ill people shooting cops data. I wonder, too, if Earley's bipolar son ever struck him. Anyone know?

But what's really interesting to me is that more people in the CATIE study weren't connected with violent acts, minor or major. In the original paper published last September, study authors outline the sad demographics of the 4,000 study particpants. I don't have the study with me, but from memory, my feeling was that it was like the study participants had been plucked from homeless shelters around the country, VA hospitals and the outpatient clinics with the most hardcore populations. Most of the people in the study were unmarried, a huge majority were unemployed and barely educated. The average age was about 40 and most had been schizophrenic for about 20 years. Men outnumbered women. Strangely for a public health study, there was a high percentage of African-American participants (psych studies are most often heavily tilted towards Whites).

My point is that if out of 1,400 long-term, deeply schizophrenic men and women who had endured decades of the streets and the psychological torture of their illness that the most they could find was 49 people who'd committed criminal level assualt, then I wouldn't call that quite the stirring indictment of schizophrenics that Torrey thinks it is. I would call it a victory for the other 1,351 patients and a rather stirring testimony to the strength of the human spirt. I don't say ***** like that very often. But I am proud of these people.

Read the full article here: <a href=http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2006/05/fuller_torrey_is_dangerous.html>Furious Seasons</a></blockquote>

Contrast that with the following...

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Of all the misconceptions about people with mental illness — that they lack intelligence, have nothing to contribute or cannot recover — the most common misconception is that people with mental illness are violent or dangerous.

This widely-held belief is fueled by sensationalist news headlines such as "Psycho Killer" and "Madman with a Machete" and by highly-publicized cases involving violent behaviour including several police shootings of men with mental illness in the Lower Mainland.

Mental health issues rarely make headlines unless violence is involved since violence and crime drive the content of daily news. As a result, media reports tend to perpetuate misconceptions that people with mental health problems are an especially violent class of society, when current research suggests that the level of public fear of violence from people with mental illness in the community is largely unwarranted.

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"It is unlikely that a large portion of community violence is attributable to persons with mental illness," Heather Stuart, professor at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, notes. Stuart and a colleague conducted an analysis among inmates to determine what proportion of violent crimes could be attributed to mental illness or substance use disorder. "From the perspective of public health interventions, only one in ten violent crimes in our sample could have been prevented if these disorders did not exist," she explains of the study's results. In fact, seven per cent were attributed to substance use disorders, and only three per cent were attributable to mental illnesses. "The notion that mentally ill individuals are dangerous and pose a significant risk of violence to the public reinforces social stigma and discrimination and reduces opportunities for successful community integration and improved quality of life," Stuart warns.

Source: Mental Disorders, Addictions and the Question of Violence

See also: Governor seeks to cut mental services for homeless




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A point worth pondering...

<blockquote>"From the perspective of public health interventions, only one in ten violent crimes in our sample could have been prevented if these disorders did not exist," she explains of the study's results. In fact, seven per cent were attributed to substance use disorders, and only three per cent were attributable to mental illnesses.

If only 1 in 10 violent crimes can be attributed to those with substance abuse disorders or mental illness... what does that say about the other 9 out of 10 -- that they are committed by the mentally well?

Makes you think, doesn't it?



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"It's interesting to me that Torrey is so stirred up over it. I wonder if he ever had a son or daughter hit him..."

This information may be out of date, or even wrong, but I remember reading at one time that Dr. Torrey has a "schizophrenic" sister, whose illness was never successfully dealt with, including by medications. This might explain his concern with the problem, as well as his insistence on the use of medications in spite of, or because of, his frustration with his sister's continuing decline.

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I think the original article link goes into a bit of detail regarding Torrey's sister and his theory related to schizophrenia. However, the writer at Furious Seasons isn't overly concerned about Torrey's sister or his theories -- he's concerned that accurate information be portrayed. If only 3.9 % of the individuals in the CATIE study or 3% in Queen's University study have actually committed violent acts, what is fuelling the agenda of TAC? If it's not factual evidence, what is it --bias? projection? fear?



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Yes, thanks for expanding my reading material! Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis I always appreciate finding out more.

It is upsetting how the media stereo-types people with mental struggles. Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

some states are really pushing "Kendra's Law" lately....they often portray those with mental struggles as monsters-- it's upsetting. Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

I'm not sure yet what the answer is but I'm fairly certain it is not FORCED medical intervention. Some 'presumed' causes of Schizophrenia and/or Psychosis

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