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Default Nov 16, 2019 at 09:09 PM
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Hi,

I was recalling some very odd experiences I had where I saw things happen, very clearly, visual & hearing, but it wasn't real.

I don't know why but I've always assumed that hallucinations were kind of dream or misty looking. My experiences seemed 100% real to me. I didn't sense being in a different state of mind or anything. Everything felt normal.

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They are 100% real.

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100% real?! Well that's a scary thought that I can't really tell if I'm hallucinating, or whatever it's called, unless someone said it wasn't real or if it's something that's beyond belief.
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This is for anyone who can answer: Isn't there a wide range of realness? Do the hallucinations always seem 100% real or sometimes you can tell if they're hallucinations?
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100% real?! Well that's a scary thought that I can't really tell if I'm hallucinating, or whatever it's called, unless someone said it wasn't real or if it's something that's beyond belief.
There’s something called consensus reality which basically means you’ve gotta ask someone else if it’s true. However, once you take medicine you can sorta tell what’s real or not just by probability or the way they quickly cut out or whatever. Like I had these Asian ladies in kimonos walking around and I turned my head for a split second and they were gone. This was while I was In the psych ward so it was unlikely and the quick vanishing act made it virtually impossible. But at the time it was 100% real. Part of this is that most hallucinations are combined with delusions.

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That's terribly interesting. I'll have to find out more from my psychologist but it seems other disorders also include delusions & hallucinations. A high percentage of people with BPD have both auditory & visual hallucinations. An article says the following:

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Schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder (BPD) can share symptoms. ... The difference between the two being that paranoid delusions occurred in less than one-third of patients with BPD, compared with two-thirds in schizophrenia. The study also found that auditory hallucinations are common in both populations.
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This is for anyone who can answer: Isn't there a wide range of realness? Do the hallucinations always seem 100% real or sometimes you can tell if they're hallucinations?
From my experience psychiatrist's define your level of "illness" by how objective you can remain with the hallucinations. Personally I have never had hallucinations, but I have what I call conversations, which sometimes happen all day. I suppose they have little effect on my life other than the fact that I can't really think of anything else. These seem real to me although I don't care because whats the difference. I guess its hard to explain the way I think about it. I think generally ones objectivity/distance to this stuff grows with time and medication at least in my case it did.
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If you record with your phone/camera then will the hallucination appear on the screen while you're recording? Will it appear in the video while replaying it?
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If you record with your phone/camera then will the hallucination appear on the screen while you're recording? Will it appear in the video while replaying it?

No.

Hallucinations and delusions (I've only had the latter) are phenomenological objects--they're not physically perceptible.

Do thoughts appear on a screen when you record them? No. So, similarly, a hallucination would not, either. They are mental phenomena that certainly are real to those who experience them (I cannot comment on specifics because I've never had what a psychiatrist has called a true hallucination).

I've certainly had disturbing mental experiences though.
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Not to anyone else but you can still believe it when you’re sick. I mostly had auditory hallucinations which are just sound but I thought they were telepathic. Anyway for me knocking noises are an indicator I’m relapsing. I could still hear the knocking on the recording but listening to it later there was nothing but static. This is because you can hallucinate that something is present in the recording or have that delusion.

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Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. I've always been interested in the google glass. They're lightweight glasses with a tiny camera that people use to record their life. I thought maybe one day I could wear one of those and replay it to see how often I hallucinate. Just a thought. For me it's a terrifying thought that some experiences I have could be fake.
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The person in my life takes pictures of what she sees then shows them to me. Mostly it's colors and shapes come together and resemble something. However she object completely. Week later month later, everytime she sees those objects as real.

Anything that resembles a face is a face. She has beings of all types around her all the time. One of the first things I noticed before knowing, she couldn't be startled. I've jumped out and shes just laughed, no surprise at all. I'm trying to figure what my girls up against. Can't get her to go to a doctor. Looking for help hrre.
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Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. I've always been interested in the google glass. They're lightweight glasses with a tiny camera that people use to record their life. I thought maybe one day I could wear one of those and replay it to see how often I hallucinate. Just a thought. For me it's a terrifying thought that some experiences I have could be fake.

My prior response didn't take this into account.

I think hallucinations are real experiences, don't get me wrong.

They are totally real and valid to the person experiencing them.

Oh, and also there's a theory in philosophy called the brain in a vat hypothesis (BIVH for short).


Basically it explains a form of skepticism towards reality. The argument generally tries to prove that if we don't know we're not brains in vats, then we should be skeptical about reality. That's a huge aside, but I thought it could be interesting to some people...

I don't know if that's related at all to this thread, in all honesty. But I decided to say something about it since it's interesting to me.

I guess it is related to hallucinations because we could think of hallucinations as things that lack validity. But if we're brains in vats, then we wouldn't know whether hallucinations were real or not.


I think I'm confusing myself here...

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Hi,

I was recalling some very odd experiences I had where I saw things happen, very clearly, visual & hearing, but it wasn't real.

I don't know why but I've always assumed that hallucinations were kind of dream or misty looking. My experiences seemed 100% real to me. I didn't sense being in a different state of mind or anything. Everything felt normal.

Thanks for any help!
Very interesting point being made.
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My hallucinations are usually static like..like a crappy tv.
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This is known as gang stalking or cyber torture. the subtle use of group gaslighting and NLP to assault you with street swarming or street theatre is very common amongst TI's daily experiences.

You're not visually hallucinating. It's a real assault upon your person being carried out.
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My hallucinations are usually static like..like a crappy tv.

Interesting. When I was psychotic, my hallucinations were of real objects, but had what I call auras or fuzzy wavy boundaries that made the object stand out and impossible to ignore. It went along with the entire theme of my disordered thinking. E.g., Photos of eyes in magazines looked back at me and can see inside me. It was penetrating and terrifying.

One time my psychiatrist and I discussed this. She told me this was common.

I never had an actual hallucination of an object that wasn't in front of me when I was psychotic. The only time I experienced this was in a state of delirium that was due to anticholingeric syndrome.

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Hi The-little-didgee.
When you say they were real object, was it like seeing your “water bottle” example...again somewhere else?

As I was reading your moving eye photo story, I hallucinated a haunted painting with eyes moving side to side in a movie scene in my mind...not sure what one it was but I saw it. I hope that didn’t trigger you. Just trying to connect similarity’s.

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When you say they were real object, was it like seeing your “water bottle” example...again somewhere else?


No, it was of the actual object. Here is another example that may explain my experiences better: An angel carving I had suddenly became wavy and stood out, almost like a twinkling star (the aura I described earlier). I was immediately drawn to it, since it felt like God was directly communicating with me.

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As I was reading your moving eye photo story, I hallucinated a haunted painting with eyes moving side to side in a movie scene in my mind...not sure what one it was but I saw it. I hope that didn’t trigger you. Just trying to connect similarity’s.

I hope you have a great day,
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Thoughts can definitely be visual. I've had distorted thinking that felt real in the moment, but it was more of a belief than actually seeing an object that wasn't there. Later on I realized it was the illness.

No you didn't trigger me. I don't find my experiences traumatic.

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No, it was of the actual object. Here is another example that may explain my experiences better: An angel carving I had suddenly became wavy and stood out, almost like a twinkling star (the aura I described earlier). I was immediately drawn to it, since it felt like God was directly communicating with me.



Thoughts can definitely be visual. I've had distorted thinking that felt real in the moment, but it was more of a belief than actually seeing an object that wasn't there. Later on I realized it was the illness.

No you didn't trigger me. I don't find my experiences traumatic.

Have a good day as well.
Schizophrenia | Talking about mental health - Episode 18 - YouTube
Would this short video be relevant to most of you or ring true.

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