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Default May 03, 2019 at 06:24 PM
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I agree with @WishfulThinker66.

I am very sorry that so many terrible things have happened to you. I also think that the way you are engaging with the world around you, which appears to be in a confrontational manner, is affecting your ability to complete your degree. I think there is a misperception, perhaps caused by trauma, in your ontological experience of the world. Are you seeking any professional help to help you deal with these things that have happened to you?

Getting a degree is about fulfilling the requirements of that degree. And each course required is about fulfilling the requirements of that course. From reading your interpretation of philosophers, it seems that, while you have read the texts, and even engaged with these texts, that your understanding of them is flawed (in the context of how the field interprets those texts), which is not mastery.

The way you addressed and appealed to the dean would not have resulted in a reversal of your grade. You mentioned ontology. And if you know the difference between ontological and epistemological truth, you know that the first speaks to your experience, and the second speaks to general agreement. Truth as we discuss it or objectivity, really refers to general agreement. It is generally agreed that Kant means X, and Freud means Y, etc. In a bachelor's program you learn the epistemological truth. When you pursue a graduate degree you go beyond that into challenging that truth and publishing research that would assert your theories. I am not debating this with you, I'm telling you how it works, regardless if you like it or not or if it's "right" or not. Why do you think Bill Gates, and so many other entrepreneurs and disruptors dropped out of school? They didn't want to play by the rules, and that road to knowledge didn't work for them.

If you want a degree you have to play their game. That's all there is to it.

But beyond that, it seems very obvious to me, anyhow, that you are in a great deal of pain, and I'm wondering if you are receiving any help for that. I hope so. It's very difficult to deal with all you've been through on your own.

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Default May 04, 2019 at 08:35 AM
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I agree with @WishfulThinker66.

I am very sorry that so many terrible things have happened to you. I also think that the way you are engaging with the world around you, which appears to be in a confrontational manner, is affecting your ability to complete your degree. I think there is a misperception, perhaps caused by trauma, in your ontological experience of the world. Are you seeking any professional help to help you deal with these things that have happened to you?

Getting a degree is about fulfilling the requirements of that degree. And each course required is about fulfilling the requirements of that course. From reading your interpretation of philosophers, it seems that, while you have read the texts, and even engaged with these texts, that your understanding of them is flawed (in the context of how the field interprets those texts), which is not mastery.

The way you addressed and appealed to the dean would not have resulted in a reversal of your grade. You mentioned ontology. And if you know the difference between ontological and epistemological truth, you know that the first speaks to your experience, and the second speaks to general agreement. Truth as we discuss it or objectivity, really refers to general agreement. It is generally agreed that Kant means X, and Freud means Y, etc. In a bachelor's program you learn the epistemological truth. When you pursue a graduate degree you go beyond that into challenging that truth and publishing research that would assert your theories. I am not debating this with you, I'm telling you how it works, regardless if you like it or not or if it's "right" or not. Why do you think Bill Gates, and so many other entrepreneurs and disruptors dropped out of school? They didn't want to play by the rules, and that road to knowledge didn't work for them.

If you want a degree you have to play their game. That's all there is to it.

But beyond that, it seems very obvious to me, anyhow, that you are in a great deal of pain, and I'm wondering if you are receiving any help for that. I hope so. It's very difficult to deal with all you've been through on your own.

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Default May 20, 2019 at 06:38 PM
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when you enroll in a college or university, the degree requirements are specifically laid out. you need to take so many credits to meet the standards set forth to earn the degree. if you do successfully, you earn the degree. you don't, then no degree.

having credits way over the amount needed does not qualify towards your degree. having enough credits that apply specifically towards your field of study does.

example..i had enough credits to earn minors in history, philosophy, and religion..but my major was in physical education. If I had not met the degree requirements then none of the other credits would have counted.

you can write appeals from now until the end of the time but the credit requirements are usually easy to find and follow. sorry.
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when you enroll in a college or university, the degree requirements are specifically laid out. you need to take so many credits to meet the standards set forth to earn the degree. if you do successfully, you earn the degree. you don't, then no degree.

having credits way over the amount needed does not qualify towards your degree. having enough credits that apply specifically towards your field of study does.

example..i had enough credits to earn minors in history, philosophy, and religion..but my major was in physical education. If I had not met the degree requirements then none of the other credits would have counted.

you can write appeals from now until the end of the time but the credit requirements are usually easy to find and follow. sorry.
Good point. Credit hours need to be towards the education requirements set for the degree.

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Default May 20, 2019 at 09:57 PM
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It’s the university that grants the degree. If you don’t play by their rules, then you don’t get their degree. If you want your own rules, you’ll need to create your own university. Or if the degree is simply to get a job, tell your potential employer at the job you’re applying for all of the reasons you listed in this thread why the university was wrong. The employer can decide if they still want to hire you based on your argument. Tell the employer. Not the dean. The university will play by its own rules. Your employer can decide whether or not they want to hire someone who plays by the ones you discussed.

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Default May 22, 2019 at 10:11 AM
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I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase, “jumping through the hoops”. In all phases of life we have to meet certain criteria to reach a goal,please some person, whatever. So you have to listen to the person carefully and find out,sometimes through trial and error,what they want . It may seem arbitrary, but what choice do you have? If you write your side of a dispute, you still have to please the person by convincing them. You sound like you think you are the decision maker. There is a huge disconnect here with reality. They do encourage independent thought in university,but dont get carried away. The professor still has to make the decisions. I have 4 degrees so I think I get it.

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Hello Nechayev,

I am so sorry that you experienced abuse. It was not your fault and you did not deserve it. I think now may be a good time to step back from the academic problems for a while and focus on your health: mind, body, and spirit. Do you have a doctor or therapist you trust? Health is so important...academic pursuits can be figured out later. Based on your childhood experiences, you likely need help to heal from trauma and learn strategies to manage PTSD. PTSD can sometimes cause people to behave in ways which others may find upsetting or unacceptable...perhaps that was part of the problem you experienced with professors. I'm not saying that was the case since I wasn't there and obviously do not know you. Just something to think about. Our brains are beautiful and complex organs but sometimes they need some help to regain balance.

I wish you peace, hope, and a bright future. You deserve to feel happy.
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