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I recently had the pleasure of appealing a grade. The course was Introduction to Ethics. I attempted the course by portfolio, but did not receive the credits. The professor was unresponsive, so I appealed to the dean. I did not receive credits, for reasons my appeal describes.


Below is what I sent to the professior

"My learning is structured in regards to fundamental truth. In every course I have ever taken I have taken the position of negation, because never has any professor shown that any subject material has or approaches having an ontological relation to truth. Though I have already completed a class in multivariate calculus, I have not had any professor explain why I should trust arithmetic or to justify the fundamental truth claim that arithmetic has relation to truth. Until such time that a plausible reason for believing in addition is given, I am suspicious of it. I know for certain that my teachers professors have lied to me by misconstruing the nature of addition to me through my education. Yet, addition has at least the merit of being a useful fiction – if nothing else. Ethics does not have that merit. Kant, therefore, has as much merit in the field of ethics as the ramblings of a schizophrenic. Certainly, Kant does some interesting dialectic and analytic tricks, but they are tricks on par with a circus performer – admirable as a feat, but merely amusing. William James would likely agree, considering that his pragmatic philosophy is an intently departure from such tricks. I have reason to learn Kant’s ethical philosophy just as much a parlor trick, because both a common parlor trick and his philosophy speak equally to ethical reality (in other words, not much at all, if at all.) In a word, ethics is simply nonsense and I would have just as much to gain from it as from learning the taxonomies of flora and fauna of a fictional world – because it is all nonsense. This applies to all the ethical philosophers which would be covered in such a course. Nietzsche notes the disintegrating nature of philosophy which does not raise up or ennoble man and so cannot bring health, but philosophy can only make the sick sicker (Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks, p.1) These are philosophies of sickness. From Aristotle to Joyce, there is sickness. The analytics of the west, having lost any notion of synthesis, no longer has the capacity for intellectual health. Even here I am giving these ethical systems too much credit by portraying them as ethically neutral. Rather, I think that every single ethical system that would be presented would be unethical in application for they have the singular use of justifying (which none has the ontological capacity for, none have the potential for justification) immoral action, especially atrocity. The most honest and greatest ethical philosopher is Sergey Nechayev, for his philosophy is the logical end to all humanist reason and enlightenment thought, the end to all the ethical philosophies so taught in the universities, the conclusion to the ethical matter, and the last evangelion. The evangelion of the secular ecclesia, the state, which places the highest good in the nullification of the war with all against all, is the nullification of all fundamental truth claims; thus, the state religion, exemplified by the democratism U.S. is the evangelion of the enlightenment which must fall to this last evangelion. No two moral laws may coexist, one must always swallow the other. Soon “blood and instinct will regain their right against the power of money and intellect.” (Spengler, Decline of the West) In short, all these ethical systems must result only in “terrible, total, universal, and merciless destruction.” This necessarily follows from the nesting metaethics of it all. I still await to hear the justification, the epistemological access, by which it becomes possible to apply a property of wrongness to the holocaust, any other genocide, or any other action. None have ever provided an answer. The ethical philosophers in this course do not have the capacity for providing an answer. Yet, I have the answer, and this answer is a fundamental truth claim. This answer solves and disproves dearest Nechayev, but also against the foundations of modern, western civilization. And so I am silent and watching Leviathan, that Mesopotamian incarnation of chaos whose mate was slaughtered so that they would not breed and so destroy the physical cosmos, as he lurks on the horizon. We are feeding him and soon he will swallow us. For this reason, the golden tongue St. John, so long said that such would “bring hell before it’s time.” At that time, these problems will have resolved themselves by hell, but all the same I am silent. It remains, that the study of these philosophers only has value in pointing out what I have hear said and everything else about them meaningless. I have retained the essentials and have reason only to discard the rest.

I have never completed a ‘learning outcome’ which did not have recourse to truth, but I have demanded truth against the ‘learning outcomes.’ Thus, when the course outcome is as one was recently, requiring the learning of untruth, I must only assert truth in its stead. Thus, in my portfolio for “Research in Experimental Psychology, it is asked that I explain why the scientific thinking used in psychological research is better than common sense as a means of acquiring knowledge about behavior and so I explain why it is necessarily the opposite and that this requirement is nonsensical. For such, I have been expelled (or indefinitely suspended) from several schools from primary to college. For this reason I am choosing to attempt to portfolio in this class rather than taking it. I am not aware of what the Saylor Credit Transfer entails, but if it involves any kind of standardized exam I would decline. I would decline because it is such a stress to have to judge the educational and reasoning level of the exam writers and then mark questions by that assumption. If I assume they are at my level, I will get bad marks for selecting that which is true. If I assume they are at less than my level, I must select the many common myths, propaganda, and fraudulent interpretations that parade around as fact – A fact may be either true or false (As Nietzsche says, “Against that positivism which stops before phenomenon saying ‘There is only fact’...) A standardized test is usually filled to the brim with requirements to accept false facts as true and thus each question requires the suspension of morality. These exams – they are an evil thing. I prefer the examination methods common to my highschool and first college – thesis and oral defense. If on a standardized test am I to accept that geocentrism had anything to do with lifting mankind to the center of the universe? Almost all standardized tests on history or astronomy would require this, but this acceptance would be the acceptance of enlightenment propaganda and also easily proven falsehood. Geocentrism was a testament to the baseness of mankind, not it's exaltation. Whilst claiming to move from a false exaltation of humanity through asserting heliocentrism, the enlightenment made dishonest revisions to the cosmology existing besides geocentrism. The Copernican principle, as it is called, is misnamed by this propaganda to reference a shift in cosmology that never happened. Indeed, the Copernican principle follows just as much from the common geocentrism of the time as from the following heliocentrism. This may be seen by reading Dante, Aristotle, or Ptolemy. It isn't at all hidden, yet it is repeated by millions of school teachers, professors, and popular science 'educators.' Selecting the correct answer on a standardized test concerning this is decidedly immoral because I know otherwise. And if I were to include such a question on a test I'd hand out, knowing otherwise, I'd be as guilty as those who run re-education camps."



Below is my response to the Dean;

"I am not insightful. I have said nothing which is not plainly seen. That is the tradition of my people, to say what is seen, and nothing else. And what I have said is what was, is, and always will be. The ancients spoke of it ten thousands of years ago. The last humans speak of it now. And I don't believe that is the issue at all, I think you are acting as the dogmatic arm of the secular ecclesia. Academia is a primary propaganda center for the cult of Western Realism - which is absolutely equivalent to the Bolsheviks and the German Nazi Party, with the only superficial difference between methodology of leveling (Eugene Rose.) The psychological crimes of academia are worse than the genocides of the other two named parties - a fact which is publicly emerging due to the ongoing effects of the Behavioral Sink that the NIMH studied for decades. Is it not that I spoke to the nesting structure, which necessarily encompasses all that is nested. How therefore is it logically possible that " there is sound quality in your work, albeit inconsistent with the requirements for the course" - these two prongs are self contradictory.

Concerning the subject matter of the portfolio, it is easy to see that the content is intrinsic to the faith of more than 2 billion people currently living. The judeo-christian ethic, though as so defined here would be inclusive of Islam, finds foundation on the classic Genesis myth of the Tree of the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. This myth tells of the misdirection of human theosis in usurpation of God by eating of the fruit which grants kingship. Thus rather than being enthroned upon his maturity, Adam exalts himself by taking from the Tree of the King. And what is the quality of this kingship? The power to create for oneself ethical or systems - a metaethical capacity. I, therefore, do not make any radical claim in regard to my portfolio, but a nearly universal ethical stance. The professor, however, appears taken aback by millenia old claims with a rather strong reaction to the claims made. His requirement of sources seems to stem from this ‘taken aback’ reaction - sadly, I do not give a sunday school lesson in my portfolio, but speak only of modern ethical thought. Yet, the indignation given by the mentor is of the same type as one who’d take the Genesis story as being merely about the effects of eating bad fruit and consider the thousands of years of theological tradition spanning several continents, religions, and peoples, as radical innovation based on the inculcated theology of a vacation bible school. Though, I do point out that Kant’s ethical philosophy, along the Nozak, Hume, Joyce, Mackie, Locke, can all be reduced to the most basic ethical reality that their ethical systems are the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil - necessarily spawning atrocities we have barely begun to imagine (though the Holocaust is a quick place to start, it is a mere drop in the bucket.) “The civil servant as a thing-in-itself raised up to be the judge over the civil servant as phenomena” (The Portable Nietzche, Walter Kaufmann, 532. (I am sure, that I do not need to explain to any subject expert which of the above mentioned philosophers is summed by Nietzsche in this single sentence.)) As one of the primary philosophers of the French Revolution, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, so straightforwardly explained; “Come to me, Lucifer, Satan, whoever you may be! Devil whom the faith of my fathers contrasted with God and the Church. I will act as spokesman for you and will demand nothing of you." (The General Idea of the Revolution, pp. 433-434) What is it then, at the end of these ethical philosophies, regardless of their forms, but precisely that which is expounded by Sergey Nechayev who exalts the violent criminal as the highest man. Isn’t the Marquis de Sade, according to Jacque Lacan, the completion of the imperative philosophy of Kant, as shown through his magnum opus - the 120 Days of Sodom? Yes, the philosophical end of Kant is rape, torture, and pedophillia, as the highest good - and am I to accept these? Does not the Academy require the learning of ethical sadism? It is no wonder that the work of the academic is the the work of the bureaucrat, and that bureaucrat both the sadistic rapist and the judge over the sadistic rapist (voila, here is an introduction to ethics.) And to give merit to Hume is to give credit to Carl Panzram - and this is the conclusion necessitated by reality. We teach Locke and make the school shooter our new Christ-child - This accusation I lay at the feet of the schoolmasters. We feign ignorance while dancing around the Columbine funeral pyre.

For this reason Buttgeriet teaches;

“The person running amok doesn't always choose his target consciously. With his urge for spectacular publicity he is sometimes trying to correct an imbalance. Through the act of killing, he or she compensates their own lack of celebrity of importance. By the end of the twentieth century, man has come to feel that he no longer has to endure everything. No longer does he accept miseries and disasters with the stoicism of a cow standing in the rain. He has come to feel, that he deserves justice and a degree of consideration as an individual. Where in the past he was passive, modern man has become reactive, therefore even a person nauseated by life, the potential suicide, doesn't only think of a quiet escape through the backdoor. Cheated by life, this creature is trying to give a final signal, to give its life a posthumous meaning by its way of dying. The frustration about its own existence and its neglect by a callously progressive society manifests itself in this universal act of vengeance. The Amok-suicide seems to aim at all those who always ignored him. For once HE is making history he is standing in the limelight and finally people are interested in his biography. He escapes a "dead" life into a "living" death, knowing that, at least for a few days, he will have the almost undivided attention of the general public. This absurd hope is probably more authentic and genuine than his whole virtually non-existent life before. He, the "motiveless-mass-murderer" is the martyr of Postmodernism.” (Der Todesking 1989)

But, alas, the academy has an answer for this too, that naturalism (or whatever inane blathering is in style at the moment) has ‘proven’ that water is not wet (see The Abolition of Man or The Flight from Woman or any other 20th century critical text, it astonishes me how a citation is asked for something every single worthwhile write of the last several centuries have all said, should I provide a citation by random or include 200 pages of citation? Yet, it never fails that the academics are blind and unaware - higher education has the same effect as plague to the brain apparently. What other kind of person would look at a fist punching him in the face and deny that it has existence - this is only possible for the academic for the academic has no knowledge of existence - what has he except a sneer? This, at least, Joseph Campbell has the honesty to admit to in The Masks of God Vol. 1 - Primitive Mythology - but what a great example he is of the purported “neutrality” of academia, when indeed Campbell was an intellectual slave to the Vendanta sect of Vivekananda which undermines the entirety of his work - or is being the mouthpiece of a cult what it means to be an academic?) - simply by forced blindness the academic is worshiper and worshipee of Janus. Diderot becomes the means - what is not in the Encyclopedie is not at all. This bounding the criteria for fact excising phenomena. “Against that postivism which stops before phenomena saying, ‘There are only facts’ - I say no, it is precisely that there are no facts, only interpretations.” (Kaufman 458) Against those who worship fact, it is because they hate truth.

Now, note that I have included gaps with explanation, for any subject expert would recognize the significance of Janus and Diderot in reference to the totality of what I have written. Further, I’ve quoted Nietzsche on a philosopher and did not relate the name - the subject expert would know what philosopher in a glance. All that I have given has been similar, thus any subject expert could prove expertise by the mere recognition of what is. This recognition has not been had. Instead, my basic claims are simply cast off as too scary by their ‘eclectic’ nature which I have now further expounded, despite that nothing I have hear said departs from generic Abrahamic ethics that has existed since perhaps Sumerian times. Any departure from is recent and disgustingly progressive (progressivism being that delusion which does not understand that there is not any “limitless trending upwards and onwards for all time towards our presents ideals, but a single phenomenon of history, strictly limited and defined as to form and duration” (Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West) - the academic of course, is the facilitator and catechizer of the secular ecclesia which affirms this dogma with great fervor.

In summation, the only reason why my Portfolio would not be accepted is either through a subject expert not having any expertise or through the implicit religious violence of the secular ecclesia which imposes the evangelion against the fictitious “war with all against all.” No two laws may coexist, one must swallow the other, thus the academy acts for the law of the secular ecclesia to force the swallowing of all fundamental truth claims contrary to the aim of the new gospel, the new evangelion!

See the charges I am laying against the decision? I am aware I'm asking for the boot of the tyrant, of which the Academy is nothing else, doing the work of Goebbels. This is an era of the eradication of individuals. A friend of mine once saw a man protest in Tienanmen square, watching a van pull up and grab him, thus eradicating this man from public consciousness forever, but he could not understand that this is the norm for the West, only we make use of other methods in tandem. How many entire subjects have disappeared universally from the internet this last few years? Now even photos of certain people are banned universally across social media - even as the masses externalize all knowledge into the internet, not having the capacity to retain the real. Yet, this has been the norm of the academy for far longer. For this reason Nietzsche said of the professor, "my natural enemy." Campbell and the Vedanta may be allowed, but only as it serves the secular ecclesia's war against fundamental truth claims. The Academy is primarily responsible for the shift in the Overton window - ever eroding the human away - for the human cannot exist in the system the academic wishes to build. I choose to think the unthinkable - that which the very existence of the Academy is to supress and censor. The academy must act as the handmaiden of nihilism, leveling those who might retain their humanity. Even now, this appeal process exists merely to grind at me. Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liady made the distinction between the human endowed with the spirit of God and the hominid which would best be replaced by the Golem (have you read God and Golem Inc by Norbert Wiener?.) The hominid, he continues, is just a waste of resources and should be made extinct - it is not a sin to exterminate them. He was referring to the gentiles, but the concept he refers to is universally known and applied everywhere - for this reason we see the abuse scandal in the Roman Church, and the endless, and ever more violent, pedophilia of the political and academic class. There must always be subordinated subhumans as a caste of society, "usable, abusable, in servitude." I am and always was merely the hominid.

So, I implore you, deny the appeal with the boot once again. I've always had the boot. Let me have it from the next level of appeal, because my venom will not be satisfied. Grind me away. Make me nothing. That is why you deny me credit."


Now, I have some questions;

What do you all think about the denial of my credits?

What do you think of the so-called "arguments" that I've made?

What do you think of my barking like a mad dog?

Am I evil? Should I receive the boot?

Why cannot I manage to grab a bachelor's degree?
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The reality is if you don’t compete required work/pass required tests, it’s only expected that you won’t pass a class. That’s just how it goes. It’s no matter how you feel about the course or professor or education or ethics, if you don’t meet requirements you don’t get a credit.

It’s the same with employment, if you don’t do your job you don’t get paid and eventually you get fired. It doesn’t matter that you dislike your job or think task assigned to you is stupid, if you don’t do your job you don’t get paid and you don’t get to keep the job.

It’s quite simple. And I think dean was clear: whatever you wrote in your portfolio was interesting but you haven’t met class requirements

To answer your last question, it’s possible that you aren’t getting a degree because you aren’t completing course requirements
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First of all, there is no way I can read that wall of words, and I don't think you can expect anybody to,

Secondly, as divine says, you need to fulfill all course requirements to get credit. Just because you think you know it, doesn't mean you get credit. We bust our asses for many years doing a lot of work to get our degrees. Why would it just be handed to you because you think you're entitled?

Go to class (online or in person), do the papers, do the assignments, do the exams. If you do them well, you will get credit.
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First of all, there is no way I can read that wall of words, and I don't think you can expect anybody to,
And how is a professor to know if criteria are met if he does not read and consider the work submitted to him? Is mastery just a tweet?
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If you do them well, you will get credit.
I was on the Dean's List when I was kicked out of university for entirely nonacademic reasons. Seems like there's a problem other than my capacity to do well.

I have 160 credits. More than enough to graduate. Seems like I don't have a problem with 'doing well.'

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Why would it just be handed to you because you think you're entitled?
I don't think I am entitled. I have actual subject mastery - a taboo thought in the anti-human Academy. For instance, I'm published - peer review - through my thesis for this university. It's the exact same thesis from my last university. One gave me an A+ and published it, the other an F. Why is that the case if it's A -> B, (do well, get credit.)

I have completed 21 credits through the portfolio - almost my entire psychology major, just by claiming that I have the expertise, and I do. Am I also entitled for thinking I'm an expert at the 21 credits I've received? And the last few will be in soon - because I'm entitled? Or because I have subject mastery?
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It’s no matter how you feel about the course or professor or education or ethics, if you don’t meet requirements you don’t get a credit.
I have met the requirements. I know I have met the requirements and committed a grave sin by exceeding them.

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if you don’t do your job you don’t get paid and eventually you get fired. It doesn’t matter that you dislike your job or think task assigned to you is stupid, if you don’t do your job you don’t get paid and you don’t get to keep the job.
Except I've done my work exceedingly well. It reminds me of a colleague who was fired last year for "caring to much about work and doing too good of a job." That was the reason his boss gave me for firing him - and that's how it is working for the state where most of the workers are incompetent so that the competent ones can channel money into personal slush funds. A state job has nothing to do with doing your job, but staying on the right side of civil rights/HR.
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It’s quite simple. And I think dean was clear: whatever you wrote in your portfolio was interesting but you haven’t met class requirements
The dean's statement is against reason and truth. It is like in my World History class where the teacher taught only Ancient Alien theory - registering a complaint had the university drop all my classes for the semester. Why? Are the "course requirements" mandating Ancient Aliens? Is the complaint reason to suspend me for a semester?
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To answer your last question, it’s possible that you aren’t getting a degree because you aren’t completing course requirements.
Again, no. I have excelled academically in everything I've done. I've always had a trouble with being suspended or expelled.

Is saying the textbooks are a racket reason to have the police pick me up, take me to a school counselor, and interrogate me about "we can't tell you what you did, but if you do it again you will be expelled."

Get your mind out of the false idealized world where things make sense. Then read what I've said.
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Well, you’re the one without a degree and have been kicked out of school numerous times so you keep doing what you’re doing.
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Well, you’re the one without a degree and have been kicked out of school numerous times so you keep doing what you’re doing.
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You've just got nothing to say, because you'd have to admit to the reality of the situation that all the pride you place in you scrap of paper actually stands for something. Arrogant adherence to the religion is the name of your game.

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We can’t possibly know that you were suspended or kicked out and what for as you never shared it. We can’t possibly know what you don’t share. If the reasons weren’t academic, why were you expelled? It sounds like 160 credits should be enough to get undergrad degree. Are those right credits? And have you completed senior project or thesis etc? If yes then you should be able to apply for a degree
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Again, no. I have excelled academically in everything I've done. I've always had a trouble with being suspended or expelled.
Someone who excels academically doesn't get suspended and expelled.
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Someone who excels academically doesn't get suspended and expelled.
It could be due to something else, Nechayev mentioned that the issue isn’t academic but didn’t say what. One can be expelled or suspended for academic dishonesty, violent behavior or threats, drugs etc
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We can’t possibly know that you were suspended or kicked out and what for as you never shared it. We can’t possibly know what you don’t share. If the reasons weren’t academic, why were you expelled? It sounds like 160 credits should be enough to get undergrad degree. Are those right credits? And have you completed senior project or thesis etc? If yes then you should be able to apply for a degree
You are right. I've gone about this all very poorly. I'm sorry.

The first expulsion was in second grade. I was suspended often in second grade (often 0 day suspensions),
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The second expulsion in third grade was due to the sadism of a teacher, who imposed various 'requirements' on me. Example: My pencils would be confiscated when we were supposed to write our journals, then she'd humilate me in front of the class for being a 'monster.' If I reacted, I'd be disciplined. Didn't last long. I stopped being functional, I was reduced, so she confiscated my pencil for journal as she usually did, told the class I tried to stab her with it, and I was expelled. She had already done the same to seven other students by the time she did that to me.

In community college, I was suspended for a semester for calling the textbooks a racket after to a change in a textbook that cost $200 more and included McGraw Hill's horrible online software. (My father is a professor and in the past was reprimanded because he worked a deal with a textbook author to provide free online copies to students, instead of having them pay $400 for the previous edition of the textbook. 'The college' explained that they had to pay the $400 in order to keep the cost of tuition low.) When I arrived in my Calculus II class the next morning at 8:00, I was approached by the police who escorted me to a school counselor who told me "you know what you did" and "we can't tell you what you did" and "if you do it again you will be expelled." I really pressed the counselor for the reason I was brought in, but they refused to tell me. I was not allowed to leave his office until I logged into my student services and drop all my classes. They said I would not be able to attend the school again until I had a psychiatric evaluation to determine if I was dangerous. Everything the school did to me in that office is illegal, yet it happened. My requests for access to my files per FERPA were systematically ignored. Outside of the tuition costs, I had to pay for the evaluation out of pocket - the evaluation was awful and traumatizing on it's own right. Why? Why all of this? Apparently a textbook representative who was introducing the McGraw Hill software heard me and reported me. And this was my punishment for a snide comment to a peer. I graduated a semester late. My grades were poor at this school after this happened, but not beforehand.

At the college I attended immediately afterward, I was a semester away from graduation, on the dean's list' and had just completed my thesis. The professor gave me a high 'F,' calling me a Walter Kaufman parody among other things - but I passed the Thesis class with a C (the only C I had at that school.) I complained. I appealed the grade, but in the meeting with the Dean I was told to "shut up or be indefinitely suspended" - instead of being a discussion about the appeal. In asking about what this was about, I was again told the same old lines "you know what you did" etc. I agreed to shut up, they suspended me indefinitely anyways - a defacto expulsion.


And now this whole thing is happening again. Why wouldn't it be happening again? Am I going to be kicked out again? And from elementary to school to university, all that is said is "oh, so you think they're out to get you." or "oh, you think it's some kind of conspiracy." Is it? Am I insane? What is wrong with me? It's just a boot kicking my face to the curb again and again senselessly.


The problem with credits is all the transfers between schools and the fact that degree requirements vary between schools. For example, This new school has three general education categories needing to be filled because the previous several schools didn't have those same categories. One of those is Introduction to Ethics. I've already completed my Thesis for this school, I resubmitted the same thesis from my previous school and got an A+ on it.

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I am sorry to hear about what happened to you in second grade. How awful!!!What happened to the vice principal? Was he doing it to you right there in school???? In his office? And no one can hear it? Is or was he in jail after all that?

I am a bit shocked that someone was expelled for suicide attempts. Are you in the US?In order for a student to be expelled school board has to approve schools recommendation. So they approved expulsion for suicide attempts and put that in your record? That would cause a huge lawsuit in most places.

So you went to a different school next year. This teacher took your pencil away for no reason so you weren’t able to write in a journal? She managed to cause expulsion of SEVEN students plus you so it’s 8. 8 students were expelled for supposedly stabbing her and school administration and board never question what does this woman do? Where are these schools?

What do your parents think of all that? You said your dad is a professor. Are you not in the US? Did you grow up in totalitarian regime of sorts? Or some other extreme dysfunctional place?
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What you say is true you need a very good lawyer.

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I am sorry to hear about what happened to you in second grade. How awful!!!What happened to the vice principal? Was he doing it to you right there in school???? In his office? And no one can hear it? Is or was he in jail after all that?

I am a bit shocked that someone was expelled for suicide attempts. Are you in the US?In order for a student to be expelled school board has to approve schools recommendation. So they approved expulsion for suicide attempts and put that in your record? That would cause a huge lawsuit in most places.

So you went to a different school next year. This teacher took your pencil away for no reason so you weren’t able to write in a journal? She managed to cause expulsion of SEVEN students plus you so it’s 8. 8 students were expelled for supposedly stabbing her and school administration and board never question what does this woman do? Where are these schools?

What do your parents think of all that? You said your dad is a professor. Are you not in the US? Did you grow up in totalitarian regime of sorts? Or some other extreme dysfunctional place?
Let me give you some background to the reality of the system.

In 2008, the Virginia DoE centralized disciplinary records of school faculty across the state - discovering 500~ teachers who were barred from teaching in at least one district that were still teaching, but did not have their teaching licenses revoked. Out of the 500~, a little more than 200 teachers had been barred from at least one district for sexual abuse. Most of these teachers had been barred from multiple districts for the sexual abuse crimes. Upon this discovery, the VDoE revoked their teaching licenses but did not have charges pressed against them. The VDoE estimate was that theses 200 teachers were responsible for the sexual abuse of 200,000 students over their collective careers (1990-2008.) The vast majority of these students were male. These teachers had all been caught at least once, and most had been caught multiple times, but the schools covered up the abuse to avoid a scandal, allowing the teachers to continue their career elsewhere - usually with a recommendation. The districts receiving these teachers were usually unaware of the crimes. This was not widely reported on the news. The VDoE still does not keep statistics on reported sex crimes. The U.S. Government Accountability Office's 2004 report said that 9.6% of students in K-12 are subjected to sexual misconduct by school faculty.

“They don’t recognize that under the state law, where they have the laws, they have an obligation to report this to law enforcement officials. It’s not like these are unusual events, tragically so... There are people within the facilities that will prey upon these children... School systems have customarily tried to handle these situations by sweeping it under the rug, by letting child predators quietly resign and go on to another district, sometimes with glowing recommendations... We see that as deliberate and calculated child endangerment.” - Rep. George Miller D-Martinez (in an interview with the Government Accountability Office)

My abuser has never seen jail time. He is currently employed by VDoE. It was mostly in his office. I wouldn't be surprised if they could hear it, but I was mute in there anyways. The official records I've seen only say "critical incident" - it's even in quotation marks on the records. I was expelled because of a "critical incident." Although, to be honest I'm not sure how legit the expulsion ever was - regardless I was kicked out.

Prior to third grade, most of my teacher's prior to third grade thought I was being abused at home ( not thinking about that right now) and so didn't communicate much. With the suicide attempt, my parents turned attention to the school and probably that caused him to want to force distance.

The third grade stuff involved a teacher who had jumped districts because of this. I don't know if all the previous students were expelled, or what discipline they faced, I just know that I was the 8th who she had claimed had tried to stab her. I'll admit to making conclusions on the teacher that I don't make for second grade. The principle thought that I did not legitimately try to stab her, but thought it was a misunderstanding - he thought that the previous seven cases were all legit and that she had misinterpreted my handing her the pencil as a stab. I must disagree with his assessment.

My father didn't try to defend me in either case, but sided with the school officials. He himself called me a monster. He only ever attempted to negotiate lesser punishments, though he'd sorely punish me at home. I wonder if he knows what was actually happening.

The U.S. is a very dysfunctional place. It's so dysfunctional it strains belief. It strains belief so much that people don't believe it. We can't even track the money in the books - and nobody cares.
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What you say is true you need a very good lawyer.
If I were to attempt justice through the courts, yes, I'd need a very good lawyer. The game is rigged. If I go against the schools themselves, I am not even entitled to a jury - I'd need a favorable judge. Statute of limitations doesn't cover anything prior to graduation from highschool anyways. And anything in the courts will take years.

I cannot afford to do so financially or emotionally. I'm not sure it'd be worth it anyways.
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Was the man ever arrested? I really can’t wrap my mind around it. He repeatedly assaulted you in his office during school day managing to keep you silent there and you attempted suicide because of it and it resulted in your expulsion yet he was never arrested?
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As I said, he hasn't been arrested. Of course you can't wrap your mind around it. If you wrapped your mind around it, you'd be damaged by it.
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Was he investigated? You can file a complaint now if you didn’t do it then. Have you not told anyone? Did the school secretary didn’t question what’s the little kid does in principals office behind closed doors. Some people might come forward as you might not be the only one. They’d have to investigate. So he is still working in that school? He probably is doing same thing to other kids. We can try to stop it. What school is it?
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First off, despite my own higher education, I couldn't get through your opening post. In fact, the first thoughts that went through my mind were; just who are you trying to impress? And this certainly didn't impress the Dean's office. I think you did yourself great dis-service.

Is it possible to enter a grievance on this? If so, my recommendation is to prepare by keeping your argument short, to the point, and free of emotion. Offer up concise points with references to proof examples and documented facts. Your summary provided in the grievance should be no more than a page long - if even that. Do not digress into other arguments; stick with the one at hand.

Frankly, I couldn't even discern your argument. I have the impression though there is a past here involving unprofessional conduct - academic or otherwise.

In academia you reap what you sow. There then is more to the story here.

I should point out my father is an academic administrator - principal and Chancellor of a university, and a professor of philosophy specializing in the field of ethics. Oh the stories I have heard - including many pertaining to students lodging grievances based on a sense of entitlement and an unwavering notion they are owed something when in fact they did not earn it.

Which comes to my final point, which as an ethics student you should understand. The end does not justify the means. You must earn it.
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