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Someone who excels academically doesn't get suspended and expelled.
It could be due to something else, Nechayev mentioned that the issue isnít academic but didnít say what. One can be expelled or suspended for academic dishonesty, violent behavior or threats, drugs etc
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We canít possibly know that you were suspended or kicked out and what for as you never shared it. We canít possibly know what you donít share. If the reasons werenít academic, why were you expelled? It sounds like 160 credits should be enough to get undergrad degree. Are those right credits? And have you completed senior project or thesis etc? If yes then you should be able to apply for a degree
You are right. I've gone about this all very poorly. I'm sorry.

The first expulsion was in second grade. I was suspended often in second grade (often 0 day suspensions),
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The second expulsion in third grade was due to the sadism of a teacher, who imposed various 'requirements' on me. Example: My pencils would be confiscated when we were supposed to write our journals, then she'd humilate me in front of the class for being a 'monster.' If I reacted, I'd be disciplined. Didn't last long. I stopped being functional, I was reduced, so she confiscated my pencil for journal as she usually did, told the class I tried to stab her with it, and I was expelled. She had already done the same to seven other students by the time she did that to me.

In community college, I was suspended for a semester for calling the textbooks a racket after to a change in a textbook that cost $200 more and included McGraw Hill's horrible online software. (My father is a professor and in the past was reprimanded because he worked a deal with a textbook author to provide free online copies to students, instead of having them pay $400 for the previous edition of the textbook. 'The college' explained that they had to pay the $400 in order to keep the cost of tuition low.) When I arrived in my Calculus II class the next morning at 8:00, I was approached by the police who escorted me to a school counselor who told me "you know what you did" and "we can't tell you what you did" and "if you do it again you will be expelled." I really pressed the counselor for the reason I was brought in, but they refused to tell me. I was not allowed to leave his office until I logged into my student services and drop all my classes. They said I would not be able to attend the school again until I had a psychiatric evaluation to determine if I was dangerous. Everything the school did to me in that office is illegal, yet it happened. My requests for access to my files per FERPA were systematically ignored. Outside of the tuition costs, I had to pay for the evaluation out of pocket - the evaluation was awful and traumatizing on it's own right. Why? Why all of this? Apparently a textbook representative who was introducing the McGraw Hill software heard me and reported me. And this was my punishment for a snide comment to a peer. I graduated a semester late. My grades were poor at this school after this happened, but not beforehand.

At the college I attended immediately afterward, I was a semester away from graduation, on the dean's list' and had just completed my thesis. The professor gave me a high 'F,' calling me a Walter Kaufman parody among other things - but I passed the Thesis class with a C (the only C I had at that school.) I complained. I appealed the grade, but in the meeting with the Dean I was told to "shut up or be indefinitely suspended" - instead of being a discussion about the appeal. In asking about what this was about, I was again told the same old lines "you know what you did" etc. I agreed to shut up, they suspended me indefinitely anyways - a defacto expulsion.



And now this whole thing is happening again. Why wouldn't it be happening again? Am I going to be kicked out again? And from elementary to school to university, all that is said is "oh, so you think they're out to get you." or "oh, you think it's some kind of conspiracy." Is it? Am I insane? What is wrong with me? It's just a boot kicking my face to the curb again and again senselessly.



The problem with credits is all the transfers between schools and the fact that degree requirements vary between schools. For example, This new school has three general education categories needing to be filled because the previous several schools didn't have those same categories. One of those is Introduction to Ethics. I've already completed my Thesis for this school, I resubmitted the same thesis from my previous school and got an A+ on it.

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I am sorry to hear about what happened to you in second grade. How awful!!!What happened to the vice principal? Was he doing it to you right there in school???? In his office? And no one can hear it? Is or was he in jail after all that?

I am a bit shocked that someone was expelled for suicide attempts. Are you in the US?In order for a student to be expelled school board has to approve schools recommendation. So they approved expulsion for suicide attempts and put that in your record? That would cause a huge lawsuit in most places.

So you went to a different school next year. This teacher took your pencil away for no reason so you werenít able to write in a journal? She managed to cause expulsion of SEVEN students plus you so itís 8. 8 students were expelled for supposedly stabbing her and school administration and board never question what does this woman do? Where are these schools?

What do your parents think of all that? You said your dad is a professor. Are you not in the US? Did you grow up in totalitarian regime of sorts? Or some other extreme dysfunctional place?
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What you say is true you need a very good lawyer.
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I am sorry to hear about what happened to you in second grade. How awful!!!What happened to the vice principal? Was he doing it to you right there in school???? In his office? And no one can hear it? Is or was he in jail after all that?

I am a bit shocked that someone was expelled for suicide attempts. Are you in the US?In order for a student to be expelled school board has to approve schools recommendation. So they approved expulsion for suicide attempts and put that in your record? That would cause a huge lawsuit in most places.

So you went to a different school next year. This teacher took your pencil away for no reason so you werenít able to write in a journal? She managed to cause expulsion of SEVEN students plus you so itís 8. 8 students were expelled for supposedly stabbing her and school administration and board never question what does this woman do? Where are these schools?

What do your parents think of all that? You said your dad is a professor. Are you not in the US? Did you grow up in totalitarian regime of sorts? Or some other extreme dysfunctional place?
Let me give you some background to the reality of the system.

In 2008, the Virginia DoE centralized disciplinary records of school faculty across the state - discovering 500~ teachers who were barred from teaching in at least one district that were still teaching, but did not have their teaching licenses revoked. Out of the 500~, a little more than 200 teachers had been barred from at least one district for sexual abuse. Most of these teachers had been barred from multiple districts for the sexual abuse crimes. Upon this discovery, the VDoE revoked their teaching licenses but did not have charges pressed against them. The VDoE estimate was that theses 200 teachers were responsible for the sexual abuse of 200,000 students over their collective careers (1990-2008.) The vast majority of these students were male. These teachers had all been caught at least once, and most had been caught multiple times, but the schools covered up the abuse to avoid a scandal, allowing the teachers to continue their career elsewhere - usually with a recommendation. The districts receiving these teachers were usually unaware of the crimes. This was not widely reported on the news. The VDoE still does not keep statistics on reported sex crimes. The U.S. Government Accountability Office's 2004 report said that 9.6% of students in K-12 are subjected to sexual misconduct by school faculty.

ďThey donít recognize that under the state law, where they have the laws, they have an obligation to report this to law enforcement officials. Itís not like these are unusual events, tragically so... There are people within the facilities that will prey upon these children... School systems have customarily tried to handle these situations by sweeping it under the rug, by letting child predators quietly resign and go on to another district, sometimes with glowing recommendations... We see that as deliberate and calculated child endangerment.Ē - Rep. George Miller D-Martinez (in an interview with the Government Accountability Office)


My abuser has never seen jail time. He is currently employed by VDoE. It was mostly in his office. I wouldn't be surprised if they could hear it, but I was mute in there anyways. The official records I've seen only say "critical incident" - it's even in quotation marks on the records. I was expelled because of a "critical incident." Although, to be honest I'm not sure how legit the expulsion ever was - regardless I was kicked out.

Prior to third grade, most of my teacher's prior to third grade thought I was being abused at home ( not thinking about that right now) and so didn't communicate much. With the suicide attempt, my parents turned attention to the school and probably that caused him to want to force distance.

The third grade stuff involved a teacher who had jumped districts because of this. I don't know if all the previous students were expelled, or what discipline they faced, I just know that I was the 8th who she had claimed had tried to stab her. I'll admit to making conclusions on the teacher that I don't make for second grade. The principle thought that I did not legitimately try to stab her, but thought it was a misunderstanding - he thought that the previous seven cases were all legit and that she had misinterpreted my handing her the pencil as a stab. I must disagree with his assessment.

My father didn't try to defend me in either case, but sided with the school officials. He himself called me a monster. He only ever attempted to negotiate lesser punishments, though he'd sorely punish me at home. I wonder if he knows what was actually happening.


The U.S. is a very dysfunctional place. It's so dysfunctional it strains belief. It strains belief so much that people don't believe it. We can't even track the money in the books - and nobody cares.
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What you say is true you need a very good lawyer.
If I were to attempt justice through the courts, yes, I'd need a very good lawyer. The game is rigged. If I go against the schools themselves, I am not even entitled to a jury - I'd need a favorable judge. Statute of limitations doesn't cover anything prior to graduation from highschool anyways. And anything in the courts will take years.

I cannot afford to do so financially or emotionally. I'm not sure it'd be worth it anyways.
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Was the man ever arrested? I really canít wrap my mind around it. He repeatedly assaulted you in his office during school day managing to keep you silent there and you attempted suicide because of it and it resulted in your expulsion yet he was never arrested?
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As I said, he hasn't been arrested. Of course you can't wrap your mind around it. If you wrapped your mind around it, you'd be damaged by it.
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Was he investigated? You can file a complaint now if you didnít do it then. Have you not told anyone? Did the school secretary didnít question whatís the little kid does in principals office behind closed doors. Some people might come forward as you might not be the only one. Theyíd have to investigate. So he is still working in that school? He probably is doing same thing to other kids. We can try to stop it. What school is it?
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First off, despite my own higher education, I couldn't get through your opening post. In fact, the first thoughts that went through my mind were; just who are you trying to impress? And this certainly didn't impress the Dean's office. I think you did yourself great dis-service.

Is it possible to enter a grievance on this? If so, my recommendation is to prepare by keeping your argument short, to the point, and free of emotion. Offer up concise points with references to proof examples and documented facts. Your summary provided in the grievance should be no more than a page long - if even that. Do not digress into other arguments; stick with the one at hand.

Frankly, I couldn't even discern your argument. I have the impression though there is a past here involving unprofessional conduct - academic or otherwise.

In academia you reap what you sow. There then is more to the story here.

I should point out my father is an academic administrator - principal and Chancellor of a university, and a professor of philosophy specializing in the field of ethics. Oh the stories I have heard - including many pertaining to students lodging grievances based on a sense of entitlement and an unwavering notion they are owed something when in fact they did not earn it.

Which comes to my final point, which as an ethics student you should understand. The end does not justify the means. You must earn it.
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